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Clearly the Italians shoulder hit Suarez's big teeth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Don't be too hard on him. He was just involved in the greatest ever late season choke in professional sports history. The players and the fans involved are just beginning to come to terms with the magnitude and significance of their collapse. For Suarez that may have been the moment when it sunk in, so to speak.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
Two options -
1) Ban for two years
2) Ban for one year with the second year served playing with a muzzle.
Either way Liverpool benefit from him not playing for his country and he can see a psychiatrist.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
3rd option Chiellini, FIFA, and butthurt fans can.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsz_-pVHgCA
I'm American, all of Suarez's biting incidents aren't even in the top 20 maybe not even top 100 of the insane shit I've seen in sports and that doesn't include the off the field shit certain athletes have done
Granted it's not biting off an ear, but still, 3 bites? He is lucky one of the players haven't removed his teeth for him. Can you really let a serial biter carry on playing without serious punishment? If Chiellini had turned round and instinctively cracked him with a left hook it would be more than reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong3rd option Chiellini, FIFA, and butthurt fans can.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsz_-pVHgCA
I'm American, all of Suarez's biting incidents aren't even in the top 20 maybe not even top 100 of the insane shit I've seen in sports and that doesn't include the off the field shit certain athletes have done
When Di Canio pushed over the ref, playing for my team (Wednesday) he was banned for 11 matches. And despite being our only hope for surviving relegation we moved him on when his ban was complete.
Now look at this and compare it to Suarez. If this push is 11 matches then Suarez should be much more. The fact we got rid of him and wouldn't have him playing for us means more to us as a club than any points he would have won us. Suarez is not bigger than LFC and what they stand for.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j37sS1u2FR8
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Originally Posted by ryanman
PS You dived ref!!
The guy is a psychopath clearly. He truly latched on to him like he was a zombie.
I had a great laugh over it, especially his acting afterwards like he was somehow the victim in the situation.
It was even better than the Zidane headbutt years back.
Giroud elbowed somebody today....I mean WOW how dangerous footie has become. I was really astonished....I reckon they'll have to sell him now, no other option, can't allow for that
Be better to give them a choice. A banning or they have to wear a dress and pig tails for 20 matches. It'll be biting and scratching next year, then spitting and name calling the next, the one after that will be pouting in front of the camera and banging the ground with clenched fists,its utterly horrific where we are all heading without at least a decent walloping stick each.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Smash that grill in .Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanGranted it's not biting off an ear, but still, 3 bites? He is lucky one of the players haven't removed his teeth for him. Can you really let a serial biter carry on playing without serious punishment? If Chiellini had turned round and instinctively cracked him with a left hook it would be more than reasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong3rd option Chiellini, FIFA, and butthurt fans can.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsz_-pVHgCA
I'm American, all of Suarez's biting incidents aren't even in the top 20 maybe not even top 100 of the insane shit I've seen in sports and that doesn't include the off the field shit certain athletes have done
USA behind to Germany, getting scary.
Ghana 1 -1 Portugal. USA still go through as it stands. A goal for Ghana though and they will take it. Close.Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
There would have been something special about qualifying on Sunday, when we should have, with two wins, 6 points, etc., but I will take it.
Group of Death you say??? ;D
All things considered, Belgium wouldn't be a terrible draw (compared to some of the other options).
Being honest that's why I just can't my head around Soccer. Celebrating a loss and don't you just go into prevent defense for possession U.S v Germany? Its ass backwards a bit, we were totally bummed out drawing 1-1 with Portugal and still advancing, but yelling with joy not even scoring and still advancing :thinking2:
I think the yankee doodles have a chance v the belgians, I didnt see the belgium game today but I watched their first two games and they have not looked amazing, unfortunatley for uncle sam they do have a real game breaker in hazard who is in good form but the usa are no mugs and belgium do play van buyten at centre back :S.....
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Originally Posted by ryanmanYeah I hear you, but I'm just thinking maybe our ball retention has improved but at the cost of other areas. Whether it has or hasn't, it wasn't the reason we went out here. This time it was defensive lapses and not being clinical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThose possession numbers are the exceptions that prove the rule I think. Italy are no great shakes in this tournament, they managed to lose to Costa Rica (population 5 million) and we lost to Uruguay (pop 3 million). All three teams are finishing below Costa Rica.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanThat has been one problem in the past yeah. But at this tournament England had an 87% pass success rate vs Italy (the highest of any team in the first round of matches) and 82% vs Uruguay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
So on this occasion the reasons lay elsewhere.
This time I don't think there is a deeper reason to be uncovered other than we played two good teams in tight matches which could have gone either way but we ended up on wrong side 2 out of 2 (which isn't exactly a statistical improbability).
Of course though, if we were better, had better players, had a better style, then those matches wouldn't be 50/50 calls (or 60/40 or whatever) so the lack of English players at top clubs and the style of play in the EPL are issues.
Against higher level competition, last 16/last 8 level, England can't keep the ball for more than a few passes and don't have the solid technique throughout the team to be able to move the ball from front to back at high speed on the counter attack and create chances. In all these tournaments as soon as we come up against a decent team we always lose. Always. This time we didn't even get to the decent team stage.
I dont think our ball retention has improved at all, as numbers go yeah they're alright but I reckon 75% of those were across the back four. I wasnt disapointed with the effort we gave but in terms of technical ability we dont look like we've come on much. We still have players at the highest level who are getting by on natural physical gifts that worked well as a kid. Fast as fuck but the ball skills dont match up. We cant still be coaching kids badly? It's staggering really, not just in England but elsewhere when you hear commentators talk about the final pass, he needs to work on the final pass/ball or his decision making. Fuck me the cunts playing at the World cup/champions league/Premier League. Shouldnt kicking a football properly have been ironed out a bit before that?
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Originally Posted by MemphisQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanYeah I hear you, but I'm just thinking maybe our ball retention has improved but at the cost of other areas. Whether it has or hasn't, it wasn't the reason we went out here. This time it was defensive lapses and not being clinical.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingThose possession numbers are the exceptions that prove the rule I think. Italy are no great shakes in this tournament, they managed to lose to Costa Rica (population 5 million) and we lost to Uruguay (pop 3 million). All three teams are finishing below Costa Rica.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanThat has been one problem in the past yeah. But at this tournament England had an 87% pass success rate vs Italy (the highest of any team in the first round of matches) and 82% vs Uruguay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
So on this occasion the reasons lay elsewhere.
This time I don't think there is a deeper reason to be uncovered other than we played two good teams in tight matches which could have gone either way but we ended up on wrong side 2 out of 2 (which isn't exactly a statistical improbability).
Of course though, if we were better, had better players, had a better style, then those matches wouldn't be 50/50 calls (or 60/40 or whatever) so the lack of English players at top clubs and the style of play in the EPL are issues.
Against higher level competition, last 16/last 8 level, England can't keep the ball for more than a few passes and don't have the solid technique throughout the team to be able to move the ball from front to back at high speed on the counter attack and create chances. In all these tournaments as soon as we come up against a decent team we always lose. Always. This time we didn't even get to the decent team stage.
I dont think our ball retention has improved at all, as numbers go yeah they're alright but I reckon 75% of those were across the back four. I wasnt disapointed with the effort we gave but in terms of technical ability we dont look like we've come on much. We still have players at the highest level who are getting by on natural physical gifts that worked well as a kid. Fast as fuck but the ball skills dont match up. We cant still be coaching kids badly? It's staggering really, not just in England but elsewhere when you hear commentators talk about the final pass, he needs to work on the final pass/ball or his decision making. Fuck me the cunts playing at the World cup/champions league/Premier League. Shouldnt kicking a football properly have been ironed out a bit before that?
The thing is even though this isn't a stellar squad of players, it is still a stronger squad on paper than several teams that have gone through. Costa Rica for one. So, clearly it isn't JUST about producing players.
I guess some poeple could say that they are good in the Premier League but that style doesn't suit international football. But then why have the English clubs teams being the most successful in Europe over the last ten years (in terms of Champ Leagues Semis, finals and wins). Although the last 2 - 3 haven't been so good.
We also failed in WC2010. Yet had a team made up of players playing for the top clubs that were playing a Premier League style and reguarly beating the top Spanish, Italian, German clubs playing their styles.
So it is about more than producing players, and it is about more than the style we play. It has to be if we follow logic.
Truth is it's a combination of factors. If over the last 10-12 years our players reproduced their club form for country we would have done a lot better. Not saying we'd have won anything but we would have done better. So why they don't do that is also an important part - maybe the most important. My theory on that is that it's largely down to the culture of fear around the England football team. Need to get the feeling of playing for fun and to express themselves and show thier talent. Instead I think they think 'better not be the one to fuck up royally and get raped by the media and fans for the next four years'.
A Professor at Sussex posted this the other day -
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Brazilian striker Fred and Legend Diego Maradona have come out against the FIFA punishment of Suarez calling it too harsh and unfair.
I tend to agree seeing how Antonio Valencia was able to choke Raheem Sterling and nothing was done about it during the game or afterwards
But doesn't past offences play a big part too? The guy has bitten people three or four times now... he clearly has a problem. I don't know much about the precedent of punishments in soccer though but it seems like they really should come down hard on this guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
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Originally Posted by El Kabong
I've been reading the Liverpool forums and the fans hadn't been defending him at all though. Although now they are quite rightly pissed off that the ban is pretty unfair on them. I sympathise.
He drags Liverpool's good name through the dirt. Many comments were saying that like to see the prosposed transfers actually go through now.
I'm a Liverpool fan and I don't see the big deal. Now granted YES there are very good reasons to worry given the way LFC has been portrayed by the media in the past, but Suarez wasn't playing for Liverpool when he did this, he was playing for Uruguay so why does Liverpool get penalized for it?Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanmanQuote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
I've been reading the Liverpool forums and the fans hadn't been defending him at all though. Although now they are quite rightly pissed off that the ban is pretty unfair on them. I sympathise.
He drags Liverpool's good name through the dirt. Many comments were saying that like to see the prosposed transfers actually go through now.
There are a lot of Liverpool fans who believe in this moral high ground and we should ship Suarez off immediately but what other club worth it's salt would react like that? I know bloody well Manchester United wouldn't as they gave Cantona the captain's arm band AFTER he kicked a Palace player and attacked one of their fans. I know Tottenham wouldn't as Jermaine Defoe bit Mascherano and not 1 damn thing happened to him.
Put Suarez's bites into perspective, it's a bit like a headbutt. Nobody is permanently injured, nobody has to leave the game, nobody has to get medical treatment....the "foul" of the situation is just that it is shocking he would bite somebody and even then shit he's done it before so again why so shocked? Was anyone shocked that Valencia tried to strangle Raheem Sterling? Hmmm odd that.
Luis Suarez catches heat because he's an amazing player, he's hated by everyone EXCEPT fans of his teams, and in England he's hated because he's foreign as well. He plays hard and gets irritated on occasion, but shit everyone does that....they just don't bite, they'll trip, push, elbow, headbutt, choke, punch....that's all
It's a nonevent IMO
Biting and spitting should be immediate ban. I think he got off lightly. I don't know why but I consider these worse than headbutting ?!
If Barca still interested then liverpool should sell
There's something about biting that gives the aura of craziness and/or mental instability, much more so than head butting, punching, ect. Call it the Mike Tyson Effect I guess. It's such a primitive, animalistic thing to do.
It's a nonevent...Suarez didn't hurt the guy a headbutt can be MUCH worse than a tiny little bite.
I don't think it's a non event. He jumped on a guy like a zombie and bit him. That's something to talk about for sure.
For me it's not just the bite. I've seen guys in hockey get face washed by someone and bite the fingers, and I'm like "ok, well if someone was mushing my face with their hand, I could see myself losing my temper and biting them."
But I've never seen anyone actually jump on a guy from behind unprovoked and just bite someone. The guy is a psychopath.
The "face wash" is one of the WORST insults you can give someone....hockey gloves stink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
I kinda don't even mind Tyson biting Holyfield's ear because of the head butting Evander did.
Anyway Brazil have a hard match against Chile tomorrow.
I can see Chile taking Brazil out. They been carried by Neymar for me, as Argies have by Messi. If only Rooney had carried us !
Netherlands and Colombia the ones to watch from the group stages but that can all go wrong in knockout phase.
Somehow Belgium have 9 points but again far from impressive.
Maybe an unfancied team will get a coupe of pieces of luck and go all the way...........
Germany are still going to win.
You're right there, the three biting incidents haven't been opportunistic bites he is going pretty far out of his way and grabbing the opponent to bite them :S...... It's just weird .. I would imagine proper bite like suarez likes to lay on people would be pretty painful, so get him banned for sure.. 4 months and 120,000 quid is a pretty fair deal for him..Quote:
Originally Posted by Beanflicker
GO Brazil !!!!!
I'm predicting a goalfest . 3-2 one way or the other. I fancy Chile
Brazil playing like shit, and deserves to lose.
Damn. Would be crappy to go out like that.
Do you people really care about this tournament? Stop watching and stop supporting. I have. The entire thing is gibberish. The World Cup is a crime against humanity. A massive distraction from reality. Fifa is as corrupt as Hitler, stop watching these games. It only justifies them.
Brazil win!