Not enough poor, black and young people bother to vote. That is their fault and are wasting their chance to make a change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
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Not enough poor, black and young people bother to vote. That is their fault and are wasting their chance to make a change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
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Well the audience (independently chosen) was representative in that it reflected the leanings of each party on stage. When 4 of the 5 parties are left of centre then yes it's likely the audience would be left of centre too - that's representative. Unless Nigel expected a 50% share for him and 50% split between the other 4?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
The reality is that UKIP poll around 13-15%. That means that broadly speaking 85-87% of the population are left of UKIP. So the audience was left leaning yes, but that was fair.
Edit: Unless Ghengis Khan happened to be in the audience it would have been difficult to be as 'Right' as Farage would like.
No, I don't think the UK politicians have a grip on finance or any of this. It is a failed state. I mean that in a good way. It won't take all that much to crush the system. Will it happen now? No. Will it? Give it a few years. Yes, you can destroy the monarchy, the media and the raping mining corporations. People vote only for what. Do I vote? No.. I know the system. In time, in time.
By the time you vote it will be too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
We don't have great options Miles, but to us here the last 5 years of the Tories have had a real impact on many of us and people we know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Of course we want more, of course Labour in it's current guise is far too close to the Tories, but we don't have the luxury of not deciding to vote as that will just let the Tories back in. Bigger change is needed I totally agree, but we can't just allow the Tories to roll back in while we wait for the bigger change.
I will not vote. I believe in real change.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBy the time you vote it will be too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
Then there will be no change if everyone disenfranchised does not vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI will not vote. I believe in real change.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBy the time you vote it will be too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
What a horrible adQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
what a vile, racist, inappropriate, creepy, deeply disturbing, OK-if-you-eat-quiche, leftist ad.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat a horrible adQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
What ad?
Operation black vote as above trying to get BME to vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
I think Master or somebody posted this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
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That's racist!Quote:
Originally Posted by GreenbeanzI think Master or somebody posted this oneQuote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
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Oh they want black people to vote for the left wingers??? Well that's ok then.
The ad is to get black people to vote any party
Independently choosen my arse π Farage had it right, it was a pro left audience. Even so, knowing it and saying it are two different things. You don't insult the electorate. Even if they are spastic.
But as I have said the audience was chosen equally by number of supporters of each party, therefore as 4 of the 5 parties up there are centre or left of centre of course the audience were more left. Don't know the numbers but say they chose 30 audience members for each party then of course 80% of the audience would be anti-Farage. It's not the BBC's fault that 13-15% of people intend to vote UKIP and 85-87% intend to vote for a party less right-wing than UKIP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
The vast majority of people in the UK are less right-wing than UKIP and the audience reflected that.
That is what Ed said to him, do not attack the audience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Memphis
Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbustwhat a vile, racist, inappropriate, creepy, deeply disturbing, OK-if-you-eat-quiche, leftist ad.Quote:
Originally Posted by El KabongWhat a horrible adQuote:
Originally Posted by Master
What is vile about prominent Black British athletes, actors etc trying to ensure that black people vote and reflect the cultural make up of Britain ? Creepy? Deeply disturbing ?
:rolleyes: "Where have I heard that before?"
If you think that the term leftist is somehow indicative of how manly and non quiche eating you are then you are seriously deluded. The term itself is an Americanism that makes little sense to a British audience. Everyone in Europe are to the left of America so it carries no gravitas whatsoever. It is to be quite frank, laughable, quaint and endearing and not at all the insult you believe it to be.
I may be by voting either Green or for the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition, one of the more extreme "leftist" posters here, but even moderate left leaning posters like
Master who will be voting Labour is "Leftist"
Dia,Rhun and most of Wales whoever they vote for, are happy to be called "leftist"
Ryan who will vote tactically for Labour is "leftist"
Many people in the civilised world outside of American would be quite happy to be described as "leftist". It's not something to be ashamed of.
Ade Adepitan the guy in the poster is not trying to convince you of anything, but if you think trying to convince Black people to vote is racist then you seem a bit confused.
There were Muslim demonstrations in Cardiff today where the fundamentalists were urging Muslims at a local mosque not to vote, because Allah would judge them if they do. If you choose not to vote, you believe in small change.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI will not vote. I believe in real change.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBy the time you vote it will be too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
If you choose not to make yourself heard, then you are making everyone else's votes more important than yours. You are telling everyone that their opinion matters more than yours. If you don't vote, then you have no relevance in this debate whatsoever, and may as well shut up and go back to marking tests or preparing lesson plans.
David Cameron recently revealed to Country Life magazine that his favourite 'sport' is Fox Hunting.
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhunThere were Muslim demonstrations in Cardiff today where the fundamentalists were urging Muslims at a local mosque not to vote, because Allah would judge them if they do. If you choose not to vote, you believe in small change.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI will not vote. I believe in real change.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBy the time you vote it will be too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
If you choose not to make yourself heard, then you are making everyone else's votes more important than yours. You are telling everyone that their opinion matters more than yours. If you don't vote, then you have no relevance in this debate whatsoever, and may as well shut up and go back to marking tests or preparing lesson plans.
Which party is he running for ?
Due to a lack of foxes, it is believed that he is happy to accept a peasant as an alternative quarry.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanman
Trade Union and Socialist Coalition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhunThere were Muslim demonstrations in Cardiff today where the fundamentalists were urging Muslims at a local mosque not to vote, because Allah would judge them if they do. If you choose not to vote, you believe in small change.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI will not vote. I believe in real change.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBy the time you vote it will be too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
If you choose not to make yourself heard, then you are making everyone else's votes more important than yours. You are telling everyone that their opinion matters more than yours. If you don't vote, then you have no relevance in this debate whatsoever, and may as well shut up and go back to marking tests or preparing lesson plans.
Which party is he running for ?
I think his views are ironically more closely aligned to UKIP.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhunTrade Union and Socialist Coalition.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord AlQuote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhunThere were Muslim demonstrations in Cardiff today where the fundamentalists were urging Muslims at a local mosque not to vote, because Allah would judge them if they do. If you choose not to vote, you believe in small change.Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfI will not vote. I believe in real change.Quote:
Originally Posted by MasterBy the time you vote it will be too late.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
If you choose not to make yourself heard, then you are making everyone else's votes more important than yours. You are telling everyone that their opinion matters more than yours. If you don't vote, then you have no relevance in this debate whatsoever, and may as well shut up and go back to marking tests or preparing lesson plans.
Which party is he running for ?
I did not see the questions and answers yesterday only highlights did I miss anything?
Nah, not really. Millipede needs to buck his ideas up about the SNP. I still think he works for the banks and is merely playing good cop. He is signed up to the official secrets act like the rest of them. He isn't a free man. He pays lipservice to change, but has no intentions to get serious. The banks create and steal the money and the EU governs policy. The rest is a pantomime.
Miliband is a moron, he's clearly not going to get a majority in another hung parliament, yet he's ruling out working with the SNP and other smaller parties while the Lib Dems have already said they'll try to deal with the party that has the largest number of seats first, which could be the Conservatives. It's like Miliband is desperate to avoid power and remain in opposition for another parliament.
If Milliband loses he will not be leader of the Labour party.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
Milliband has to say he will not work with any particular party because he has to aim to win as many seats as possible. SNP may take a lot of seats from Labour which is a worry.
Glegg is a cunt and relish a hung parliament.
He's been pushed into it by the Tories and their dogs in the press.Quote:
Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
If he said he would do a deal with the SNP then he could kiss goodbye to dozens of marginal seats in England. Sure, he has now lost Scotland but that was going to go anyway.
It's shit but the Tory propaganda bullshit forced things that way.
Anyway, it doesn't rule out a Labour minority. A deal won't happen but the SNP won't vote against a Labour minority's legislation/budgets as a rule. They will act on a issue by issue basis (what all parties should do really but don't). Whereas they would vote down a Tory government on every issue as a matter of principle. Therefore, a Tory minority government will not be able to function. Yet a Labour minority government could.
The thing is if the Tories win a few more seats than Labour the public may not except Labour forming a minority government, even though it may be the only government that has a chance of working.
One good thing is that a Tory government will not last long as a minority, and they can't form a coalition this time unless results are very unexpected.
Have you watched the Brand and Miliband interview?Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDZm9_uKtyo
Under the Tory's 6 thousand people are using food banks, in the Wrexham area you Tory bastards
have failed, what next soup kitchens and the poor house, bunch of cunts.
We are devolving rise up vote the shits out.
As much as I don't see Milliband as a credible leader to represent us (his brother would've been) I am swaying more towards Labour every day. The more I look at each party's policies the more I think that Labour (in principal, not withstanding the personnel) are the best for our country!
Ukip are leading the poll so far , how interesting.
Ryan, yes, I watched the Milibrand interview, but was disheartened to see him flinch on bankers and continue waffling on about the NHS despite Labour bringing in all the PFI's to begin with. Sure, Miliband doesn't seem like a bad bloke, but it shouldn't be about the lesser of evils. How can you take Labour seriously when they still have Tony Blair in the party? He should be in the Hague, let alone still a member of the Labour Party. Galloway was booted for far less than carrying out war crimes. For me it's the same old establishment politics and the SNP HAVE to be part of the deal. I think the media is appalling the way they are demonising Scotland. A year ago they were threatening Scotland and then begging them to stay with all kinds of empty promises and now suddenly the Scots are dangerous? Two faced evil media run by non-taxing paying billionaires. Westmonster is dangerous. Fracking, wars, banking fraud, debt, austerity.
You would have to be evil to vote Tory and you must have amnesia to vote Labour. Miliband should be talking about bringing back clause 4 and nationalisation and instead it's 'I will freeze your bills for a bit'. It's good cop, bad cop and this cop isn't a whole lot better. People deserve so much more considering they did not cause the recession. I am sorry for ranting, but the topic upsets me.
You want Blair in William Hague? You are promoting a sick thing. :p
Yet in national polls they are currently around 13%. Interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dark Lord Al
The sad/good thing is Ed is actually regarded by those that know as being considerably smarter than David. Ed's policies are far more for the people the David's would have been.Quote:
Originally Posted by BIG H
But Ed cannot eat a bacon sandwich properly.
Fuck fair taxes, spending on services and a credible plan for the NHS, if you can't eat a bacon sandwich properly you can fuck off! ;)
Of course I'd like to see Labour go further and be a true Labour party. But they need to be electable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
IF he gets in I think Ed will do what he can over time, if he has some stability, to get closer to Labour roots. He is not, and never was, A Blairite.
I also fully agree with your thoughts on the demonisation of the SNP. It is an utter joke and making me quite angry. Fucking snake Murdoch.
Just a bit more almost 1 million people using food banks in the UK,! SHAME on you Tory bastards
in this day and age truly appalling facts.
We have with out a doubt returned to a cap in hand syndrome on employment, treating people
like shit, people working long hours for poor money, just to line the pockets of the rich.
Don't put up with IT VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT, we are returning back to the RICH BASTARDS
lording it over us lets not let history repeat itself.
Ed Miliband wants to ban 'Islamophobia'
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Fucking pc douchebag just wants to ban dissent/criticism...but you lot will elect him I'm certain because he's an idiot and everyone knows you give jackasses like that more power and only good things will come of it :rolleyes: