Some return fights are a dull affair compared to the original, this one was exicting also, even if it wasnt 12 rounds.
Obvious notable exception are both fights with Barrera vs Morales
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Some return fights are a dull affair compared to the original, this one was exicting also, even if it wasnt 12 rounds.
Obvious notable exception are both fights with Barrera vs Morales
Not taking into account the first fight Wilder where Fury still wasn't at 100%...Otto Wallin managed to take Fury 12 rounds...Wilder couldn't manage 7
Maybe Wilder should look to fight Tom Schwarz or Sefer Seferi next, Otto might be a little too dangerous for him ;D;D;D
I joke I joke
Twistes ankle and a busted ear drum. Wilder was fine up until the borderline illegal shot. Fury couldn't even stop an injured Wilder. Let him try and repeat it.Quote:
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Originally Posted by GandalfFury didn't stop him. Wilder's corner did.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzThe truth is he is not better than that. Disgusting that you then on top of everything, suggest Fury hasn't stopped the American. Why don't you move there and make the transition complete Wonderwoman?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfSome say his eardrum is busted and his balance was obviously gone, so not much you can do with that. I thought Fury landed an illegal shot and it changed the entire fight. Wilder was fine for nearly rounds and only then did it change. He was brave for continuing when he knew he was messed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
I think Fury just took advantage of the situation and thus looked good. Do it again minus the rabbit punch and see how it goes. Fury still couldn't stop an obviously lucid Wilder who to be fair should be saved for another day as he is better than that.
Yes i noticed Deontay's corner beating the shit out of him for six and a half rounds :-\
Gandalf: Do you reckon Fury would not have stopped Wilder if there was no towel flung in?
Round 8, 9 10, 11 ,12? Thats a long time when you're in trouble in a place that finds you out very quickly.
You never know. I doubt Fury could repeat it though as it would mean he would need to discombobulate Wilder again. Highly unlikely. He got a bit of a break with the ear plus zero balance as a consequence. Wilder was bleeding from the ear. Until that it was a close fight. Fury's Khan-Barrera style gift. Rematch. 😎
@Gandalf you keep talking about the ear as if it takes something away from the victory, it doesn't at all, his ear was fucked because Tyson exploded it, honestly mate its like saying Amir Khan would have bet Canelo if it wasn't for that pesky KO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
If you ask me Wilder didn't look happy even before the ear went, Tyson looked like he was in his element.
p.s. you are the only single person I have heard complain about this "borderline illegal shot"
I suppose I'm glad that HW boxing is back to champions with great techniques. I like Wilder
So let's have a moment of silence for the windmill
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But he is an outlier in the boxing history.
This fight was Tyson Fury Vs Boxing and he represented. Wilder can't get back to fundamentals cuz he never had them. He started boxing late at 19 yrs old and didn't have a deep amateur background like most boxers.
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That punch Fury gave to the back of Beyonce's head fked up his equilibrium so much that Iron Mike would have been proud of the work done on his ear.
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But he ducked into a punch aimed for his chin, not a foul.
Bottom line is Beyoncé got mauled, beaten, manhandled like a rag doll, out muscled, out boxed...he got an epic hasss whooping of great proportion. The blue print to avoid that right hand has been exposed.
But Beyonce has heart. He took his licks from a giant and he really wasn't put OUT. The fight ended with him on his feet. He was put down but he wasn't put out despite the massive amount of punishment he withstood.
Tyson used his jab head and body Deontay has no answer he was simply broken down round by round excellent job.
I give Wilder credit he was tough and game but he can be outboxed a extremely hard puncher maybe to reliant on his big punch.
Now for Fury v AJ what a fight mega domestic and World level hell the hype the BS will be off the scale roll on.🙂
Wonder if Fury vs Parker might be the next matchup. Parker is decent level of opposition without the level of media intensity we'd get with Joshua.
Or if Wlad wants to step back in.
Joshua this time next year
Didnt know Edward James Olmos was working Furys corner
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I trought Fruy would win but not like this. Now it's time for AJ vs Fury. The Tyson Fury story is unbelievable. Just 2 years ago I thouht he was done. WOW! what a fight.
I thought the sameQuote:
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I think it does detract, but Wilder will take the rematch and if Fury does it all again, then great. However, I suspect Wilder was crocked there. Another parallel is Toney-Lebedev. Toney had no balance in that one too. It became about going the distance rather than anything more. I could be wrong but I suspect this wouldn't be the same next time. Sure Fury will win rounds, but not like this, more like the first. And with coordination the equalizer is there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman@Gandalf you keep talking about the ear as if it takes something away from the victory, it doesn't at all, his ear was fucked because Tyson exploded it, honestly mate its like saying Amir Khan would have bet Canelo if it wasn't for that pesky KO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
If you ask me Wilder didn't look happy even before the ear went, Tyson looked like he was in his element.
p.s. you are the only single person I have heard complain about this "borderline illegal shot"
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Originally Posted by GandalfI think it does detract, but Wilder will take the rematch and if Fury does it all again, then great. However, I suspect Wilder was crocked there. Another parallel is Toney-Lebedev. Toney had no balance in that one too. It became about going the distance rather than anything more. I could be wrong but I suspect this wouldn't be the same next time. Sure Fury will win rounds, but not like this, more like the first. And with coordination the equalizer is there too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Batman@Gandalf you keep talking about the ear as if it takes something away from the victory, it doesn't at all, his ear was fucked because Tyson exploded it, honestly mate its like saying Amir Khan would have bet Canelo if it wasn't for that pesky KO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gandalf
If you ask me Wilder didn't look happy even before the ear went, Tyson looked like he was in his element.
p.s. you are the only single person I have heard complain about this "borderline illegal shot"
Leave it to me to once again be Mr. Objective here. :D
I was rooting for Wilder. I thought for sure Wilder was going to blow Fury outta there. Etc., etc.
Now that it's over and done with, I can honestly say Fury will beat Wilder any day of the week from here on out.
Why?
First of all, Fury's fear of getting tagged by Wilder is all but gone. The bully has been bullied, sort to speak.
In fact, once Fury got up from that fearful KD in Fight #1, he realized he had just survived the worst Wilder could dish out.
Fury came into this fight aggressively, never letting Wilder set himself...... forcing Deontay to back up.
As bad a boxer as people feel Wilder is (IMO he's ok moving forward), he's a helluva lot worse backing up.
Yes..... the shot to the side of the head seemed to bust his eardrum. It was all downhill from there.
But Wilder ducked into that shot. Fury did not throw an illegal shot.
Having said all this, I think Wilder can come back and at 100% has at least a 50/50 shot to beat Joshua. That is.......... if Joshua would ever give him the opportunity, which we all know he won't.
(Cue Beanz to come in here and say I said Joshua is a shitty boxer and a lousy tipper at restaurants.)
Never rule anything out in boxing, Tito. That is being objective. The rematch will happen and all questions can and will be answered. People are alwayschigh after a fight. Don't forget Fury was 'done' a fight ago. A new camp, a change of mindset, and things can and do change quickly.
I would say Fury is favorite in a rematch, but Wilder will be a live underdog.
Going on the first several minutes and after I think we saw something similar to the first to begin with and then it changed. Wilder only outclassed following the KD. Even Ortiz had a better opening several minutes. I really think the dodgy back of the head ear bleeder made the fight play out as it did.
So, let Wilder recover and settle it once,and for all. Whoever wins can then retire Joshua.
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First, the rematch is no sure thing. Let's start there. Questions? I don't know too many more questions left unanswered. Both went into the fight knowing what to expect from the other. Trilogies are sometimes fun and even needed..... but not all the time. Granted, if a 3rd fight occurred, I'd be rooting for Wilder again. But Fury's a smart guy. He's also an emboldened guy. Wilder's right hand was the huge question mark going into the 1st fight. How would Fury react? Question answered. Yes..... Fury is a maddening fighter to follow. He can implode as easily as he can improve. So everything's possible.
But right now I'd be looking at other horizons for the both of them.
I have no words for such shitwittery.
Just on thevpassing, found this short interview withbMax Kellerman before the fight where he lays it out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LuIOir53qk
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...... and that's with me defending Fury over Wilder. Imagine how'd you feel if I was dumping on Fury. You'd have to double up on your meds.
The rematch is in the contract and apparently Wilder wants it.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Gandalf
First, the rematch is no sure thing. Let's start there. Questions? I don't know too many more questions left unanswered. Both went into the fight knowing what to expect from the other. Trilogies are sometimes fun and even needed..... but not all the time. Granted, if a 3rd fight occurred, I'd be rooting for Wilder again. But Fury's a smart guy. He's also an emboldened guy. Wilder's right hand was the huge question mark going into the 1st fight. How would Fury react? Question answered. Yes..... Fury is a maddening fighter to follow. He can implode as easily as he can improve. So everything's possible.
But right now I'd be looking at other horizons for the both of them.
No doubt Fury will be favorite and fair play if he wins convincingly, but there are some question marks here. For two rounds it was similar to the first fight then following the back of the head/ear club Wilder had the stanky leg kind of Tyson/Williams or Toney/Lebvedev style. He was just surviving and to be fair to him he had no quit in him.
I am all for it if Wilder really wants to go for it. I have not flip flopped on this as I was there in the thread from the off saying 'That doesn't look right'. I thought an ankle or something, but wasn't watching on a good screen. I didn't even realize there was blood gushing from the ear until after and that's when I thought 'Ahh, that's why he couldn't balance'.
Beanz wants to be a wanker? Okay, here goes....Quote:
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They made a film recently called Parasite about a creepy man who cannot make eye contact who preys on single mothers as he thinks they have lower expectations of the men they are dating as nobody else will touch him with a barge pole. Or was that About a Boy with Hugh Grant? Check it out. ;D
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Originally Posted by GandalfThe rematch is in the contract and apparently Wilder wants it.Quote:
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First, the rematch is no sure thing. Let's start there. Questions? I don't know too many more questions left unanswered. Both went into the fight knowing what to expect from the other. Trilogies are sometimes fun and even needed..... but not all the time. Granted, if a 3rd fight occurred, I'd be rooting for Wilder again. But Fury's a smart guy. He's also an emboldened guy. Wilder's right hand was the huge question mark going into the 1st fight. How would Fury react? Question answered. Yes..... Fury is a maddening fighter to follow. He can implode as easily as he can improve. So everything's possible.
But right now I'd be looking at other horizons for the both of them.
No doubt Fury will be favorite and fair play if he wins convincingly, but there are some question marks here. For two rounds it was similar to the first fight then following the back of the head/ear club Wilder had the stanky leg kind of Tyson/Williams or Toney/Lebvedev style. He was just surviving and to be fair to him he had no quit in him.
I am all for it if Wilder really wants to go for it. I have not flip flopped on this as I was there in the thread from the off saying 'That doesn't look right'. I thought an ankle or something, but wasn't watching on a good screen. I didn't even realize there was blood gushing from the ear until after and that's when I thought 'Ahh, that's why he couldn't balance'.
For two rounds it was certainly NOT similar to the first fight. I don't recall Fury coming at Wilder like gangbusters in the first two rounds..... hell..... in the first 5 or 6 rounds of their first fight. Here he did. And it worked wonders.
Granted, I think the blood gushing out of Wilder's ear was a clear sign something was terribly wrong. To ignore that is to be foolish.
So Wilder may well want the rematch with Fury. Contracts in boxing are worth about as much as a Beanz post on "the truth"....... so there's no telling if that will ever happen. It's up to Fury, I would guess.
I just think Fury's size will always give Wilder fits, and the added dimension of fear is no longer in Fury's mind.
(Cue Beanz coming in and saying I said Fury is scared of everybody, and has terrible table manners.)
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I mean similar in that they were close rounds where Fury had the slight edge in punches landed and Wilder landed a few of his own. Sure Fury was coming forward, but even Ortiz was coming forward with smart pressure. It is nothing all that new against Wilder who generally eases through early rounds against riskier fighters.Quote:
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Originally Posted by GandalfThe rematch is in the contract and apparently Wilder wants it.Quote:
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First, the rematch is no sure thing. Let's start there. Questions? I don't know too many more questions left unanswered. Both went into the fight knowing what to expect from the other. Trilogies are sometimes fun and even needed..... but not all the time. Granted, if a 3rd fight occurred, I'd be rooting for Wilder again. But Fury's a smart guy. He's also an emboldened guy. Wilder's right hand was the huge question mark going into the 1st fight. How would Fury react? Question answered. Yes..... Fury is a maddening fighter to follow. He can implode as easily as he can improve. So everything's possible.
But right now I'd be looking at other horizons for the both of them.
No doubt Fury will be favorite and fair play if he wins convincingly, but there are some question marks here. For two rounds it was similar to the first fight then following the back of the head/ear club Wilder had the stanky leg kind of Tyson/Williams or Toney/Lebvedev style. He was just surviving and to be fair to him he had no quit in him.
I am all for it if Wilder really wants to go for it. I have not flip flopped on this as I was there in the thread from the off saying 'That doesn't look right'. I thought an ankle or something, but wasn't watching on a good screen. I didn't even realize there was blood gushing from the ear until after and that's when I thought 'Ahh, that's why he couldn't balance'.
For two rounds it was certainly NOT similar to the first fight. I don't recall Fury coming at Wilder like gangbusters in the first two rounds..... hell..... in the first 5 or 6 rounds of their first fight. Here he did. And it worked wonders.
Granted, I think the blood gushing out of Wilder's ear was a clear sign something was terribly wrong. To ignore that is to be foolish.
So Wilder may well want the rematch with Fury. Contracts in boxing are worth about as much as a Beanz post on "the truth"....... so there's no telling if that will ever happen. It's up to Fury, I would guess.
I just think Fury's size will always give Wilder fits, and the added dimension of fear is no longer in Fury's mind.
(Cue Beanz coming in and saying I said Fury is scared of everybody, and has terrible table manners.)
It only became genuinely different following the discombobulated ear incident. Now for me it was a genuinely different fight from that point on. Wilder was not right. It happens, I mean I think Fury was hit with an awkward looking one with the first KD last time too, but thankfully not so bad.
One more time. I think Fury is up for it and will be sky high and if Wilder wants to let it all go then why not? Only Wilder genuinely knows what went wrong and if he wants a rematch then it suggests he knows things can be done differently. It couldn't have been much worse so expect a better showing next time. 😮
Agreed that Fury dominated that fight though. I just think it went tits up (no pun intended) following the odd KD. I hated where the punch landed from the off and the response seemed to indicate as much.
Fury is no power puncher, but you club a man on the ear and back of the head and his senses will be messed up as they are fragile spots. Even if the eardrum wasn't shattered it is rare we see bleeding from the ear like that.
And a final point is that Wilder has no quit in him. I think even with his legs gone, he still saw what Fury was doing and wanted to ride it out. Now I don't think that should have happened as he was damaged and not able to avoid punches as his lower body which is his usual tool was not there, but even in a weakened state he keeps going. There is no Khan style implosion mechanism at work there.
Wilder has a chin, he has a punch, and he can genuinely put Fury to sleep which Fury cannot do to Wilder. For me there is still interest there and seeing a fighter having lost it all try again is part of the fascination.
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For the record, I'll say that if Wilder truly wants the rematch and Fury is up to it..... why not? I'd be rooting for Wilder, but betting on Fury.
Were Wilder to pull it off, it would be a humongous feather in his cap.
But we must think even further ahead. What happens if the rematch doesn't occur, or if Fury beats Wilder yet again. Wilder is certainly not going to quit/retire..... and he's still fully capable of beating the vast majority of HW's out there today.
Do we have to exclude Joshua simply because in some people's minds "Joshua doesn't need him anymore"?
No.
Wilder-Joshua is STILL a fascinating fight to put together, and it's not a done deal that Joshua would necessarily win.
Fury had size, boxing skills, and a chin to bring to the table. Joshua brings power.... but he doesn't tower over Wilder like Fury does..... he's not the boxer Fury is..... and his chin is likely more susceptible than Fury's.
There's other possibilities too. If I was Wilder, I'd want to get back on that horse as quickly as possible. Probably with one tuneup to make sure all cylinders are firing correctly after that beating he absorbed.
I have heard he has 30 days to activate the rematch clause. Knowing that and how Fury has a tendency to retire or fight easier fights, I think he will want to go out on his shield. I just think it is similar to how it was. He either hurts Fury or gets outboxed.
It looked opportunistic here to me on Fury's part, but of course you pounce on a hurt fighter and humiliate him. Credit to Fury for doing that. Wilder at 34 is approaching the end though and if he wants glory he has to knock out Fury.
He knows Fury cannot knock him out as Fury stops few proper HW's. So why not? Get it done for the late summer period. If Wilder loses he can retire or finish with a few fights against others. A few losses doesn't mean the complete end. There is dignity in being 100% and losing, but you will always have questions in your head if you lose and you knew it wasn't your best.
BTW, I appreciate the civility within our conversation. It would be nice if the teenager of the forum would take note.
Wilder couldn't beat the Fury coming back after his lay off. He has one weapon and that's what saved him and got him the draw last time.
That's a fight most thought Fury won and yesterday was a comprehensive beating. Fury was well on top and in control before he hurt his ear which may have affected his balance.
I was leaning towards a wilder win as thought he would land. I was way off the mark. A third bout would be just waiting for him to land it. His only chance. If I was him I wouldn't want to go again - unless for the pay day.
Like ruiz let him have a couple of good wins to get back in line - though of course fury wouldn't be obliged then with no clause.
Let it go for now miles and let's have the British unification fight.
The result was predictable but the manner was very impressive. Wilder was schooled and demolished. A great performance that increased my respect for Fury. The best by any British fighter since Lloyd Honeyghan.Quote:
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Originally Posted by east end bobThe result was predictable but the manner was very impressive. Wilder was schooled and demolished. A great performance that increased my respect for Fury. The best by any British fighter since Lloyd Honeyghan.Quote:
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...... and that's with me defending Fury over Wilder. Imagine how'd you feel if I was dumping on Fury. You'd have to double up on your meds.
That was a perfectly valid and rational response to Gandalfs idea that despite dominating Wilder for nearly 17 rounds now, it was all just a fluke, and not something Fury could replicate. To contort yourself that much in order to avoid giving a boxer like Fury credit is beyond stupid and shows a crass disrespect for both boxers. Not everything is about you believe it or not.
Anthony Joshua would be underdog against Tyson Fury, says Eddie Hearn
Promoter Eddie Hearn has said “we’d be clowns” if he failed to agree a deal for Anthony Joshua to fight the new WBC heavyweight champion Tyson Fury, adding that his camp relish the prospect of their fighter going into the fight as underdog.
Following Fury’s dominant seventh-round stoppage victory over Deontay Wilder in Las Vegas on Sunday, which ended when the beaten champion’s corner threw in the towel, clamour has inevitably grown for an all-British unification fight with Joshua, who holds the WBO, IBO, WBA and IBF belts. Hearn said he has no intention of getting in the way of a showdown between the pair taking place.
He told Sky Sports News: “I said to AJ last night: ‘The great thing about this is, you’re going into the fight as the underdog.’ Very rarely will you see AJ go into any fight as the underdog but this time, you look at the betting markets, AJ is the underdog against Tyson Fury. Perfect – just how we want it. We believe we’ve got the man who can be the undisputed heavyweight world champion. Tyson Fury believes he can beat Anthony Joshua. Only one way to find out – let’s make it happen.”
Joshua regained his belts in December after atoning for last June’s shock defeat to unfancied Andy Ruiz Jr with an emphatic points victory in the rematch, in which he showcased impressive skills and tactics, rather than the all-power approach that had marked the bulk of his 21 knockout victories.
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Of Fury, Hearn said he is a “great fighter … a very clever fighter and now he’s shown a little bit of another dimension where he’s gone in and been aggressive in the fight. Will he do that against Anthony Joshua? Different kettle of fish … Joshua is not a 15-stone Deontay Wilder who can punch a bit but looks bad going backwards, can get mauled in clinches and get punched around. Joshua is a big, big heavyweight – as they both are. When they come together it’s going to be something very special.
Fury said following Sunday’s bout that he was “almost sure” he would face Wilder again to complete a trilogy of meetings with the Alabama fighter, having shared a draw at their first outing in December 2018. The deal for the return featured a rematch clause which gives Wilder’s team 30 days to consider the option of a third fight, in which the purse would be divided 60-40 in Fury’s favour. Hearn had earlier said: “I don’t think anyone wants to see a third fight, it was that conclusive, but we will see if he wants to exercise that. I probably expect Wilder [to take the rematch]. I don’t see where else he has to go.”
Joshua, meanwhile, has been lined up to defend his belts in London against the IBF’s mandatory challenger, Kubrat Pulev of Bulgaria, with a June date ready to be announced should his camp fail to secure a Fury fight first.
Heard said of the potential implications should the pair take other bouts first: “Everybody wants this fight. I promise you this fight will happen. If we have to fight Pulev, we’ve got to beat Pulev and if he has to fight Wilder he’s got to beat Wilder again. Both of those things will happen – Fury will beat Wilder again and AJ will knock Pulev clean out. You will get this fight. We will do everything that it takes to make this fight. You have two camps that genuinely want this fight. We’d be clowns if we didn’t make this fight … in Britain we are the kings of the world in boxing right now. Let’s not waste it.”
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/ant...130525879.html