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If Usyk gets this on the cards, I will gladly eat both my boots.
He's had to work hard for it of course he has. But Usyk has won that at a canter points wise. Fury won 4 rounds for me.
Close 12 th round but just give it to Usyk.
7-5 Usyk with knockdown 115_112
twelfth to oleksandr. i have oleksandr winning by five points
Usyk wins on my card
Must be humbling for the muppet knowing he got beat pillar to post by a "middleweight" at points.
Well Ukrainian came back good and I think the Ukrainian wanted by one or two points
Get that gumbo boilingQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Usyk, split decision
I can't for the life of me see how anyone could score that for Fury. Usyk put daylight between them. I suppose we should be grateful that the right man got the nod.
Usyk is a gentleman. In the ring he's a seriously bad man.
one judge gives it to tyson by one point, one judge gives it to oleksandr by three points & the third gives it to oleksandr by one point. oleksandr gets the split decision
:feedme: :footinmouth:Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanzGet that gumbo boilingQuote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Congratulations Oleksandr Usyk :appl:
Gotta watch those rabbits Steve ;D
Three words I wasn't sure we'd hear again in the era of "super heavyweights"...step aside Evander! Now there's Usyk.
I was wrong, the Ukrainian is not a rabbit or a sausage or a shithouseQuote:
Originally Posted by Big J
It really looked like he was done for by the sixth round or so he was getting wobbled and getting really punished to the body and with uppercuts but it looked like he broke Tyson's nose and after that Tyson was not the same and then he got his ass kicked in that one round and never seemed to recover
I scored the fight 115 113 for the Ukrainian
I don't think there's anybody on this forum who would deny that after about 6 rounds it did not look very good for the Ukrainian. Fury was really doubling him over with body shots and smashing his face with uppercuts from outside and it did not look good at all and it looked like he was starting to break down. So it's pretty reasonable to think that after a few more rounds of that he could have stopped him. I can't figure out why Fury didn't continue punishing the body like that and why he didn't snap his job more. He really fought like garbage the second half of the fight but everyone has to agree that he totally dominated the first half of the fight. Who knows why it happened but in the end it was a pretty even fight and if it wasn't for that one round here Tyson would have definitely won it on points
I don't think there's any member of this forum that would deny that if that round that fury Got punished in had been an even round or just a normal round that Fury would have won the fight on points I just don't know why he didn't continue to use the strategy that he used for the first six rounds because it was very effective. The Ukrainian does not like those body shots at all and we saw Daniel du Bois really rock him with a body shot that he complained and he lied about was a low blow but if you watch the replay it was right on the beltline and I was saying that Fury should really punish him to the body and he was doing exactly what I thought he should do I just don't know why he stopped
It seems like the three fights with Deontay Wilder they really ruined Tyson Fury.
For me I really have to fault Tyson Fury for the loss more than I can give credit to the Ukrainian for the victory. I don't know why Tyson Fury didn't fight harder and throw more right hands and more jobs in the last few rounds. I think this is more a case of Tyson Fury getting blamed for the loss rather than the other guy getting credit for the win
That undisputed belt the Saudis came up with is predictably tacky but also remarkably cheap looking when you consider the Saudi sense of style.
i deny what you're saying. tyson landed some good shots but he was not doubling oleksandr over. tyson did wobble oleksandr in the sixth from a good shot but i did not see oleksandr breaking down. there is no need for ifs, we all saw what happened, it's the reason championship fights are over a longer distance. as the saying goes tyson may have won the battle but he lost the warQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Tyson Fury had his nose broken and the blood vessel went up from his nose to underneath his eye from the one punch in the I think it was the 9th round or 8th round and after that he was never the sameQuote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
It's like when Muhammad Ali lost the fight to Ken Norton because he fought with a broken jaw
tyson is no ali. ali was also the heavier man in that fight. it's nothing like that, did i miss tyson breaking his jaw in this fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
& the irony is oleksandr is the one who might have broken his jawQuote:
Originally Posted by TICtyson is no ali. ali was also the heavier man in that fight. it's nothing like that, did i miss tyson breaking his jaw in this fight?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
No I'm saying that the lighterman the Ukrainian may have broken Tyson's nose or did some kind of damage with that one shot that hit him right on the point of the nose because immediately Tyson's blood vessel from the nose up to underneath the eye became purple and he started wincing and you could see that the punch to the nose did some kind of damage up towards his eye. You know when you get punched in the nose how you get a black eye. He was never the same after that one punch. So the lighter man the Ukrainian is just like Ken Norton who was also the lighter man so I think you're not getting the analogy I'm making
What I don't like that Tyson Fury said is that he didn't know that he was down and if somebody had told him that he was down he would have fought harder in the last two rounds but that is complete garbage. You're supposed to automatically fight harder in the last two rounds because you never know if you were up or down so it's nonsense for him to say that if he had known he was down that he would have fought harder. I don't know why he wasn't throwing more punches I don't know why he wasn't throwing 50 and 100 punches per round for the last two or three rounds. I don't understand why he didn't seem to put any effort into the last couple of rounds when he really needed to.
Tyson Fury did not try at all to finish this guy off a couple of times in the first six rounds he had him hurt and he was playing around too much and let him off the hook he was really destroying him with body shots and uppercuts. He could have finished them but he didn't do enough when he had him hurt a couple of times and once he had him hurt really bad why didn't he jump on him? and right then and knock him out
It's fishy fight and when you think about the rematch clause it makes it even more fishy. Think about it if one of these guys had completely knocked the other one cold there really wouldn't be much of a reason for rematch would there be. Something weird why didn't Tyson Fury try to finish the guy off when he had him hurt a couple of times pretty bad in the first six rounds? And then the last two rounds why would he say he thought he was ahead and he didn't know that he should fight harder? None of that makes any sense I'm starting to think this whole thing is just to set up and the joke is on us. Definitely if Tyson Fury would have knocked the guy cold or vice versa that wouldn't be much of a need for a rematch and that would be billions of dollars lost wouldn't it be
there's no need for a rematch
The fight should have been stopped in the 9th , that referee should never go near a title fight again.
Lets face facts here.
Wvlad an old fighter who didn't like to get hit. yawn fest.
Whyte b class
Chisora B class.
Wallin B class
Wilder without his punch is a club fighter, a stumbling drunk has more technique.
As i said Usyk will hit fury more than anyone , and let us not forget Usyk is 37 years old.
I've rattled on for years about a quote Chris Eubank came out with called the killing time. Essentially knowing when the fight can be won and lost and being the one who recognises the presence of the killing time.
Usyk understands that more then anyone. The Joshua rematch when it looked like AJ was going to impose himself down the stretch. Usyk came out and took the wind out of his sails. Here it was even after 6 rounds with Fury having his most dominant round in the 6th. Usyk then went up a gear again and had the fight won in round 9 and 10. His awareness of what's going on around him and his ability to react and get done what needs to get done is second to none.
Fury thinks he won the fight. Par for the course. Pride, ego? Whatever it is he needs to let go of that and be honest with himself. He was second best and extremely lucky he didn't get stopped on his feet or cleaned out proper. The definition of madness and all that. If he doesn't acknowledge that he has work to do to turn this around in a rematch, he'll probably get taken out in style.
That said. Can anyone really seeing this being run back in October without a hitch?
A strange dynamic to this one. One of the rare occasions where I can't help by root for the away fighter. This was amplified by that mouthy cunt John laughing at Usyk when he thought he'd been cut by a clash of heads.
Usyk is so good he defeated Fury twice in the same fight.
Just watched it again totally sober.
Had Fury 2/3 up going into the eighth. Usyk by 1/2 clearly the right call. Basically the 9th round decided the fight.
Surprised at Fury not stepping it up when he clearly had his man hurt in the middle rounds.
I'll say it now I don't think we'll see him in the ring again. Can't see him lifting himself to come back from this.
Great fight though and not what I was expecting.
Surprised at those saying the fight should have been stopped in the 9th.
Views?
No, ref did the right thing and gave a count. If there was more time Usyk could have finished him but there wasn't and Fury somehow recovered. Fury has amazing recuperative powers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark TKO
Just got to see an albeit dodgy video of the fight on youtube. I had Usyk winning by probably 5 points (4 rounds plus the 10-8 round) . I thought Fury could not have been in better shape and is a better fighter than I have given him credit for.
But I do think Team Fury got their gameplan a touch wrong. I believe Fury should have tried much harder to to take control of the centre of the ring with more jabs following up with body shots and uppercuts.
When he did that in the 5th and 6th rounds , he had his most success.
I'm not saying he would have been able to do that , because Usyk is obviously a phenomenal Boxer with every card in the pack. But it just felt like the game plan was more about jab , move around the outskirts and use his reach to keep Usyk off, which was a touch too negative for me.
While that will always keep you in the fight , it won't win you the fight. there comes a time when you have to take a risk.
On a Final point, it is absolutely ok for Fury to call Usyk a Rabbit and a Sausage and a gappy toothed Middleweight because he has to go to war with the guy and find whatever he can to help him achieve the win.
BUT, IT IS NOT OK for Brock to do the same! You don't have to go to war with this fellah.
It comes across as pathetic , disrespectful and fucking childish and then renders any opinion you have on the fight as worthless.
and then , when you've been made to look silly , you grudgingly say you were wrong and then try to justify your bullshit with excuses like
"Fury didn't press hard enough" "the Wilder fights killed Fury" "Fury's Blood vessel went up into his head" Blah blah Bollocks.
And it's not wild to think that Fury could have won the fight, but to go in balls deep like you've done, i really think you should calm down and take a month off to reflect exactly what nonsense you spout .
i think it would be a breathe of fresh air for you (and us") ;)
Watched it again and can't understand why Fury didn't TRY HARDER in rounds 4 5 and especially 6 when it honestly look like Usyk was taking too much punishment and his Spirit looked crushed and he was badly hurt several times by uppercuts and body shots. Fury s strategy was working very well up to that point and when he hit him with that uppercut in the sixth you can see that it broke something the way he winced and jumped back and wobbled. It definitely at that point was starting to look like a walk in the park and that Fury was just too big.
So again I just cannot understand why he did not jump on him. He did not jump on him at all take advantage of this. It was like he deliberately let him off the hook. And I think it's clear that if he had knocked the Ukrainian out cold in the sixth round that we would be saying there is no need at all for any rematch. So did he stupidly think it would carry him to a decision and play it safe and then make it look like there was a great reason for the rematch in the clause? At one point in the 6th and It really looked like it wouldn't go more than another two rounds the way it was going.
Very disappointing that Tyson Fury did not even try one little bit to finish the job when he had his man quite hurt especially in that sixth round. Very strange. As for the scoring, it was definitely fair but I could easily have seen this a draw.
Well, I got that wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by X
What a good fight, with two really really talented and complete fighters. Both guys utterly fit and clearly took this fight seriously in camp.
First Six rounds, It was all going as I thought. Usyk was fighting so aggressively he took away much of his own technical skill and Fury was picking him off really nicely with uppercuts and body shots. Had Usyk shaken at one point too, but not in serious trouble.
Somehow, as he always does, Usyk adjusted and began to show Fury more angles as he was coming in. His tactic of making Fury work for three minutes a round began to pay off a bit (but not completely as Fury has a suspiciously good engine).
That onslaught in the 9th won Usyk the undisputed heavyweight championship. Fury was gone, and if the ropes hadn’t kept him up, I’m not sure he would have survived the round. I’ve heard some people say the fight could have been stopped, and it might have been ….. but imagine the controversy as team Fury would have rightly been outraged as it being premature. Fury has amazing powers of recovery
I had it as a close fight, but there was some daylight between Usyk and Fury at the end. I thought it was a correct decision.
Fury will (and has) said he won and he was cheated, but all fighters say that when they lose a tight points decision. He wasn’t. Usyk fully deserved that win.