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I stopped trying to make sense of boxing's strange machinations a looong time ago. :-X
These orgs seem to constantly try to outdo each other in odd, inexplicable moves.
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Originally Posted by Big J
I stopped trying to make sense of boxing's strange machinations a looong time ago. :-X
These orgs seem to constantly try to outdo each other in odd, inexplicable moves.
Just empty name-stacking to justify a trinket fight. Garcia jumps 10 spots from current wba ranks and lands on this gravy train :p. He's never fought 160 in the first place. I like both fighters but this is all of kinds of wrong. Riding top stars ppv undercards used to a sellable spot to build stars from. But Garcia and Lara is just no vision filler. Like a tub of warm store bought potato salad brought to the cookout.Quote:
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Vladimir Shishkin has got order to fight William Scull for vacant IBF title
There's a 157 catch weight for Lara vs. Garcia :oQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliJust empty name-stacking to justify a trinket fight. Garcia jumps 10 spots from current wba ranks and lands on this gravy train :p. He's never fought 160 in the first place. I like both fighters but this is all of kinds of wrong. Riding top stars ppv undercards used to a sellable spot to build stars from. But Garcia and Lara is just no vision filler. Like a tub of warm store bought potato salad brought to the cookout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big J
How are they getting away with this in broad daylight, they are selling a mismatch. Hope they do not rob Lara.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big JThere's a 157 catch weight for Lara vs. Garcia :oQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliJust empty name-stacking to justify a trinket fight. Garcia jumps 10 spots from current wba ranks and lands on this gravy train :p. He's never fought 160 in the first place. I like both fighters but this is all of kinds of wrong. Riding top stars ppv undercards used to a sellable spot to build stars from. But Garcia and Lara is just no vision filler. Like a tub of warm store bought potato salad brought to the cookout.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big J
https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/2...ie-malignaggi/
"David Benavidez will ‘run Canelo Alvarez over like a train’ and I don’t even want to see the fight, says Paulie Malignaggi"
Canelo Alvarez vs David Benavidez is undoubtedly one of the most hotly anticipated fights in boxing right now.
Fans are clambering to see the pair square off for super-middleweight supremacy yet Canelo has shown little urgency in getting the fight over the line.
The Mexican superstar previously suggested he would require an extortionate purse of $200million (£158m) for him to duke it out with 'The Monster'.
Benavidez's promoter Sampson Lewkowicz insisted they did everything to make the fight happen in May, while his client was Canelo's WBC mandatory at 168lbs.
But Canelo chose to face Jaime Munguia on Cinco de Mayo weekend instead.
After growing tired of waiting, Benavidez moved up to light-heavyweight and defeated Oleksandr Gvozdyk in June for the WBC 'interim' trinket.
The victory made him mandatory for the winner of Artur Beterbiev and Dmitry Bivol's four-belt shootout on October 12.
A clash with Canelo now looks to be out of reach but many members of the boxing fraternity hold out hope.
Former IBF super-lightweight champion Paulie Malignaggi is not one of them though.
"I don't care who Canelo fights if he would vacate the titles," Malignaggi told talkSPORT's talkBOXING podcast.
"Personally, I've been saying this for two years, I think David Benavidez runs him over like a train running over a car that's stuck in the train tracks.
"I stick with that. His apprehension to fight the mandatory continuously only cements my opinion.
"I don't think he's gonna fight Benavidez, the only reason I wanna see him fight Benavidez is for the belts because I don't even think it would be a good fight. I'm more excited about other things than I am about Canelo."
For now, Canelo is set to take on Edgar Berlanga on September 14 at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.
Providing he comes through that unscathed a super fight with Terence Crawford remains a possibility.
However, Malignaggi is even less interested in that prospect.
"I'm not crazy about it [the Terence Crawford fight]," he added. "I think Canelo is looking for easy pickings. Easy pickings later in his career.
"The fact he's been allowed to avoid his mandatory for three years is absolutely appalling. The sanctioning bodies should be ashamed of themselves, absolutely disgraceful.
"But I think he would possibly consider Crawford, but he wants a crazy amount of money. Because he sees the kind of money Turki Alalshikh pays, and I think he's trying to take advantage of it which has rightfully offended Turki Alalshikh.
"I'm not crazy about the fight, I think weight classes exist for a reason. Crawford has been amazing, his talent has been something that has overcome the weight class deficit, but at a certain point, you're gonna start to see that.
"The Crawford vs Israil Madrimov fight was right there. I don't understand why there's this talk about Crawford and Canelo. I think if anything that fight right there should tell you he's not able to go up that many more weight classes.
"He really had to test himself in that fight. That fight came down to the last couple of rounds if you ask me.
"Madrimov is good, you have a 154lbs division that is very, very good. I can also see why Crawford would just want to take on Canelo because Canelo is like him, he's made a lot of money already and it's sort of like a Hollywood type of fight where big names and brands in boxing just fight each other.
"If you fight these young, hungry guys, you're gonna end up being really tested against guys who the world is not gonna give you credit for beating, like Madrimov. That weight class is difficult."
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"I ask myself whether someday you'll have the BALLS to fight against Benavidez"
"Canelo, thanks to you being scared of David Benavidez, you filled the pockets of Jaime Mungia and myself; I ask myself whether someday you'll have the BALLS to fight Benavidez."
"Months continue and continue going by, and you keep hiding from Benavidez and choosing easier opponents. Be a real man and put your pants on straight, because you are the shame of all of Mexico. It's the first time I see a Mexican be so scared; this is incredible and unacceptable."
I was never an Oscar fan. But this makes me like him a hell of a lot more. He's just saying what everyone else is thinking. Other former Mexican champions say the same damn thing.
Canelo is a chickenshit. Always has been... always will be.
His legacy will be one of ducking, marinating, clauses, and protecting his manufactured record.
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david b is now a light heavyweight. i thought he had moved on?
i'm not sure oscar is the best guy to be talking about what real men do. what are the rumours about him & kitchen utensils?
To be honest if ever there's an example of how "numbers" and records can be misleading and carefully manufactured in the sport, it's the empty echos in the air that are the records of Berlanga and Munguia used to bolster ol Nelo ;D. Figure Canelo will aim for Eubank but honestly no idea. Safe to say it won't be stimulating on the 2025 leg of his retirement tour.
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Thanks for stating what should be painfully obvious even to the casual fan.
naoya getting a pass for tj doheny & sam goodman el oh el
Nobody wants to see Canelo anymore. He may as well retire. The fans are focused on the Bivol v Beterbiev rivalry now. And also, to see if Benavidez can run through the LH's all to way to either Bivol or Betervbiev... We also have our eyes back on the heavyweights to see how Dubois manages his championship and whether Fury will come back on top v Usyk. We are also still enjoying Crawford and Inoue.
The fans have no more care for Canelo now.
i still want to see canelo, depending who he fights. i agree that there are lots of good fighters & fights out there. there is boxing on almost everyday currently
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Look.
You can say COVID doesn't exist.
You can consider anything and everything a scam.
You can refuse to believe anything until you've "verified it" for yourself.
But please.....
PLEASE
Do not put Naoya Inoue and Ginger in the same sentence (and/or thought) ever again.
Thanks.
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Originally Posted by TIC
can you tell me how you proved that what ever you believe covid is, is the cause of the claimed symptoms? also can you please stay on topic. this has nothing to do with caneloQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
this is a misrepresentation. i don't consider anything and everything a scam. there are a lot of scams out there though. also can you please stay on topic. this has nothing to do with caneloQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
if you haven't verified if something is true or real for yourself then you only hold a belief, you do not know. also can you please stay on topic. this has nothing to do with caneloQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
no can do cico bean. canelo's last two opponents are just as good if not better than sam goodman & tj doheny in my opinion but you'll give naoya a passQuote:
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Who said anything about an Inoue. But I suppose it says something that he serves as Canelos whataboutism now. Wasn't a soul here that didn't know it was just a matter of time for TJ going in. And at least Goodman beat a Ring top 5 to climb up a bit. Guess we can spot Munguia Ryder lol with the fact Canelo had to pound out him first. Derevyanchenko still serviceable and brought Munguia to the brink of defeat even if coming up in weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Basic difference is no one is highlighting their records as credibility for Inoue. No need. That's the point Canelo is at. Safe to say Inoue has (and will take *cough cough) some huge match ups in front of him. Canelo, he's worried about his tee time now.
i said something about naoya because you were going on about canelo's opponents records & sam goodman & tj doheny aren't much better. basic difference is canelo is fighting these guys at the end part of his careerQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWho said anything about an Inoue. But I suppose it says something that he serves as Canelos whataboutism now. Wasn't a soul here that didn't know it was just a matter of time for TJ going in. And at least Goodman beat a Ring top 5 to climb up a bit. Guess we can spot Munguia Ryder lol with the fact Canelo had to pound out him first. Derevyanchenko still serviceable and brought Munguia to the brink of defeat even if coming up in weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Basic difference is no one is highlighting their records as credibility for Inoue. No need. That's the point Canelo is at. Safe to say Inoue has (and will take *cough cough) some huge match ups in front of him. Canelo, he's worried about his tee time now.
Well yeh it's a Canelo thread and he's the topic so seemed fit to respond to what you're putting out in it, so there's that ;D. And Canelo fought plenty of these type of guys with his stacked A side in said career, let's just be real now ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by TICi said something about naoya because you were going on about canelo's opponents records & sam goodman & tj doheny aren't much better. basic difference is canelo is fighting these guys at the end part of his careerQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWho said anything about an Inoue. But I suppose it says something that he serves as Canelos whataboutism now. Wasn't a soul here that didn't know it was just a matter of time for TJ going in. And at least Goodman beat a Ring top 5 to climb up a bit. Guess we can spot Munguia Ryder lol with the fact Canelo had to pound out him first. Derevyanchenko still serviceable and brought Munguia to the brink of defeat even if coming up in weight.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Basic difference is no one is highlighting their records as credibility for Inoue. No need. That's the point Canelo is at. Safe to say Inoue has (and will take *cough cough) some huge match ups in front of him. Canelo, he's worried about his tee time now.
so you had the same energy for naoya in another thread? every fighter has filler fights, let's just be real now
What same energy?! You did this before with the Munguia fight saying I called it complete trash and dismissed it or something to that effect. Then I showed you otherwise. If you care to look back said both Munguia and TJ would be decent "entertaining" type fights but not great, before it was all over for them. Same energy is quite easy when you don't pretend a fighter is flawless and refuse to call out on the bad.Quote:
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Seriously. The record of Berlanga and getting the fight was a running joke among nearly all. Absent the most ardent fanboys. And even the majority called BS on it. It was actually refreshing ;D. Flaunting his record as some achievement or credential for Canelo is with respect, bonkers.
the same energy for naoya's filler fights as you do for canelo's. just checked & yeah nothing from you in the naoya v sam thread. who's pretending a fighter is flawless & who is refusing to call out the bad? edgar deserved a shot just as much as sam does. no one is flaunting his record as an achievement or credential. i just posted the record of canelo's last three opponentsQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWhat same energy?! You did this before with the Munguia fight saying I called it complete trash and dismissed it or something to that effect. Then I showed you otherwise. If you care to look back said both Munguia and TJ would be decent "entertaining" type fights but not great, before it was all over for them. Same energy is quite easy when you don't pretend a fighter is flawless and refuse to call out on the bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Seriously. The record of Berlanga and getting the fight was a running joke among nearly all. Absent the most ardent fanboys. And even the majority called BS on it. It was actually refreshing ;D. Flaunting his record as some achievement or credential for Canelo is with respect, bonkers.
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Originally Posted by TICthe same energy for naoya's filler fights as you do for canelo's. just checked & yeah nothing from you in the naoya v sam thread. who's pretending a fighter is flawless & who is refusing to call out the bad? edgar deserved a shot just as much as sam does. no one is flaunting his record as an achievement or credential. i just posted the record of canelo's last three opponentsQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWhat same energy?! You did this before with the Munguia fight saying I called it complete trash and dismissed it or something to that effect. Then I showed you otherwise. If you care to look back said both Munguia and TJ would be decent "entertaining" type fights but not great, before it was all over for them. Same energy is quite easy when you don't pretend a fighter is flawless and refuse to call out on the bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Seriously. The record of Berlanga and getting the fight was a running joke among nearly all. Absent the most ardent fanboys. And even the majority called BS on it. It was actually refreshing ;D. Flaunting his record as some achievement or credential for Canelo is with respect, bonkers.
What you're doing is flaunting your Canelo fanboyism by reaching as far as you can. Even daring to mention probably the #1 p4p fighter in the world right now in a pathetic effort to draw some sort of comparison with your boy.
That's laughable, even by your poor standards.
spicoli focused on canelo's last two opponents, i just like to see consistency & the same energy applied to all fighters
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But you used those two opponents to somehow make your case for Canelo. Nobody else is doing the same with other fighters. Since you mentioned Inoue, it goes without saying there's a universe of difference between the two. Inoue has not conducted his career in nowhere near the same fashion as Canelo. Which is why I say they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.
Too bad I didn't post a picture I saw on Facebook here. (Now I can't find it). It was a picture of JCC, JMM, Erik Morales, MAB, and I think Finito. I remember thinking how those are truly past great Mexican champions. All had losses (except Finito)... and none of them gave a damn about that. They're Mexican ATG's... and all have in common the bond of having taken on ALL challengers... diva clauses or marinating fights be damned. Inoue is of that old-style mold. That he may have one or two undeserving opponents in his resume? Yeah, so what. He didn't seek to place those there because he was avoiding someone else. I miss that type of fighter.
i posted the record of canelo's last three opponents with no comment, good or bad, just their total. you are imagining some case i made. the thread is about canelo. no one is stopping anyone else from posting the records of another fighters last three opponents. naoya doesn't have the same a-side luxury canelo has but he does enjoy some a-side luxuries. i wish he fought some of the guys at superfly while he was there
canelo doesn't care about losses. he fought the number one pound for pound in the world when his best win at the time was austin trout, he took on the next biggest threat erislandy, he took an immediate rematch with ggg who many thought beat him in the first fight, fought danny jacobs who many thought beat ggg, ran through three unbeaten super middleweight champions in eleven months, then moved up to challenge arguably the best light heavyweight
it's a pity naoya didn't run the one fifteen gauntlet at the time
it's also a pity jmm never fought naseem or erik
”I just checked and nothing from you” ;D;D. Jebus Christmas dude, do you hear yourself sometimes? What am I on a time clock or quota system to post on your schedule lol. About something no one initiated or even brought up but you. You’ve gone from casual deflection or subject change to making it a job now ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by TICthe same energy for naoya's filler fights as you do for canelo's. just checked & yeah nothing from you in the naoya v sam thread. who's pretending a fighter is flawless & who is refusing to call out the bad? edgar deserved a shot just as much as sam does. no one is flaunting his record as an achievement or credential. i just posted the record of canelo's last three opponentsQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliWhat same energy?! You did this before with the Munguia fight saying I called it complete trash and dismissed it or something to that effect. Then I showed you otherwise. If you care to look back said both Munguia and TJ would be decent "entertaining" type fights but not great, before it was all over for them. Same energy is quite easy when you don't pretend a fighter is flawless and refuse to call out on the bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by TIC
Seriously. The record of Berlanga and getting the fight was a running joke among nearly all. Absent the most ardent fanboys. And even the majority called BS on it. It was actually refreshing ;D. Flaunting his record as some achievement or credential for Canelo is with respect, bonkers.
Dude. You posted making the records of Munguia and Berlanga a topic and highlight for Canelo. YOU did that. To which you got replies and responses. But instead of discussing the point YOU brought up, ya pull something completely out of left field to do some round about comparison. How about you worry about your consistency before you sit on a mount checking everyone else’s. I told you a page or two ago, at least Goodman...as with Munguia...actually defeated a Ring top contender. Though, his was #3. I put more cred in its rankings than I do some alphabet soup group politicking a running joke of a fighter (ie Berlanga) who contrary to what you you say has done nothing of the sort. Not even remotely close. Ffs I’ve actually giving Munguia some credit allllll along but you’re just determined to spin things into something else. Rinse and repeat.
i posted the total of canelo's last three opponents. you commented about two of them & i asked if you had the same energy for naoya's. is my post not their total records? stop making things up. what have i said about edgar? & you were quick to comment on canelo's last two but nothing on naoya v sam so i pointed it out. if you don't like the records of canelo's last three opponents that's on you, unfortunately that is what the records are
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Really? :rolleyes:
So you just up and posted the records of those fighters for no particular reason or purpose?
Ok. ;D
This gets better by the minute.
i posted canelo's last three opponents record total because that is what the total is. naoya's last three with sam will be eighty & five
This shit is priceless... ;D ;D
I had previously posted a quote from De La Hoya regarding Canelo.
Here's a recent one from Andre Ward...
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Here's the translation:
"The problem with Canelo Alvarez is not only the stain of (avoiding) Benavidez, but bigger things that have happened with him throughout his career.
The problem also arises when he begins to say he's one of the greatest in history, or one of the greatest Mexicans of all time, and that is NOT true.
He's a great of marketing, of creating a base of followers, of selling tickets. When you see his history you become aware that he does not take risks; he picks his rivals, some are already old, he chooses others because it is the opportune moment, he chooses others that are 2 weight divisions below, etc."
MANY former fighters know what Canelo really is: A FRAUD.
there are many fighters that praise canelo
It was the Angulo crapola where I first opened my eyes to Canelos's -these are not the droids you're looking for- powers of manipulation.Quote:
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I'm not ruling out a Plant rematch either ;D. If/when he can uproot Scull. Can just see Canelo wanting that trinket back and then the barking of "multi time undisputed' begins.
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I just don't remember any other great fighter ever getting the mass criticism of their career from former fighters, that Canelo gets.
The list is long:
Tim Bradley
JMM
ODLH
Andre Ward
Erik Morales
Even Mexican journalists, like Majo Gonzalez. Also guys like David Faitelson, ESPN Deportes analyst.
SHIT... even famed Mexican trainer Nacho Beristain has criticized how Canelo has conducted and still conducts his career, with all the picking and choosing and marinating and ducking.
Hell... no current or former fighter is universally liked or admired.
Take someone like Floyd. People thoroughly disliked him. But many of them disliked him for his personality and his conduct outside the ring. Yeah... some claim he ducked certain fighters.
Damn... ALL fighters get accused of ducking sooner or later.
But with Canelo it is an almost universal dislike of how he has carefully manufactured and hyped his career.
You see pictures of past Mexican champions posing for a picture..... I've never seen Canelo in any one of them. Even if he's still fighting. It's not like they couldn't invite him if they wanted to.
No. They want to preserve the warrior mentality and "face all challengers" attitude that all of them had.
Ginger is a FRAUD. Pure and simple. As far as I'm concerned, he can't retire soon enough.
I don't even give a damn whether he ever fights Benavidez or not. That ship has sailed.
I forgot to add Mike Tyson to the list.
But what's the need?
The point has already been made.
Canelo Alvarez probably has more detractors among former boxers than any other great fighter in history.
I would be surprised (and suspicious) to find out otherwise.
You know what really sucks about it. Other than tying up the belts and division natural progression of course. It's that in a big way the lineage was broken by Canelo in this era. As far as top division "king" giving back or even passing it on at 160-168 etc. You can say Golovkin did that for Canelo, once twice at 160. Those are passing of the torch type division/era progress for Canelo but he just shut down shop once he went to 168 where a legit threat and "next" Benavidez was Rings #1 and was right there. David was literally #1 for 5 years as ol Canelo just worked around him like a kid sneaking back into the house after midnight trying not to wake up the parents. Belts smelts. The best guys got tired of waiting on the diva to sac up and sort it out for 168, win or lose or rematch. Tip toe thru the tulips Nelo.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
I just don't remember any other great fighter ever getting the mass criticism of their career from former fighters, that Canelo gets.
The list is long:
Tim Bradley
JMM
ODLH
Andre Ward
Erik Morales
Even Mexican journalists, like Majo Gonzalez. Also guys like David Faitelson, ESPN Deportes analyst.
SHIT... even famed Mexican trainer Nacho Beristain has criticized how Canelo has conducted and still conducts his career, with all the picking and choosing and marinating and ducking.
Hell... no current or former fighter is universally liked or admired.
Take someone like Floyd. People thoroughly disliked him. But many of them disliked him for his personality and his conduct outside the ring. Yeah... some claim he ducked certain fighters.
Damn... ALL fighters get accused of ducking sooner or later.
But with Canelo it is an almost universal dislike of how he has carefully manufactured and hyped his career.
You see pictures of past Mexican champions posing for a picture..... I've never seen Canelo in any one of them. Even if he's still fighting. It's not like they couldn't invite him if they wanted to.
No. They want to preserve the warrior mentality and "face all challengers" attitude that all of them had.
Ginger is a FRAUD. Pure and simple. As far as I'm concerned, he can't retire soon enough.
I don't even give a damn whether he ever fights Benavidez or not. That ship has sailed.
I’ve said this before, I am not a Canelo fanboy by any stretch of the imagination, but we need a bit of perspective here.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpicoliYou know what really sucks about it. Other than tying up the belts and division natural progression of course. It's that in a big way the lineage was broken by Canelo in this era. As far as top division "king" giving back or even passing it on at 160-168 etc. You can say Golovkin did that for Canelo, once twice at 160. Those are passing of the torch type division/era progress for Canelo but he just shut down shop once he went to 168 where a legit threat and "next" Benavidez was Rings #1 and was right there. David was literally #1 for 5 years as ol Canelo just worked around him like a kid sneaking back into the house after midnight trying not to wake up the parents. Belts smelts. The best guys got tired of waiting on the diva to sac up and sort it out for 168, win or lose or rematch. Tip toe thru the tulips Nelo.Quote:
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Originally Posted by Spicoli
I just don't remember any other great fighter ever getting the mass criticism of their career from former fighters, that Canelo gets.
The list is long:
Tim Bradley
JMM
ODLH
Andre Ward
Erik Morales
Even Mexican journalists, like Majo Gonzalez. Also guys like David Faitelson, ESPN Deportes analyst.
SHIT... even famed Mexican trainer Nacho Beristain has criticized how Canelo has conducted and still conducts his career, with all the picking and choosing and marinating and ducking.
Hell... no current or former fighter is universally liked or admired.
Take someone like Floyd. People thoroughly disliked him. But many of them disliked him for his personality and his conduct outside the ring. Yeah... some claim he ducked certain fighters.
Damn... ALL fighters get accused of ducking sooner or later.
But with Canelo it is an almost universal dislike of how he has carefully manufactured and hyped his career.
You see pictures of past Mexican champions posing for a picture..... I've never seen Canelo in any one of them. Even if he's still fighting. It's not like they couldn't invite him if they wanted to.
No. They want to preserve the warrior mentality and "face all challengers" attitude that all of them had.
Ginger is a FRAUD. Pure and simple. As far as I'm concerned, he can't retire soon enough.
I don't even give a damn whether he ever fights Benavidez or not. That ship has sailed.
Canelo is not an ATG, never will be be. He’s an ok World champion who has had a good career, but like most modern day sportsmen has been overhyped to make up for a general lack of quality.
He takes on as many challenges as any other top fighter past or present.
YES, HE DUCKED BENAVIDEZ and that will always be a black mark against him. But in his 30’s a lot of other guys in the past have done the same if we’re being honest.
Canelo cannot be held responsible for holding belts to ransom. That is down to the governing body allowing it to happen.