UFO's & Ghosts

Sorry ,I think I ment 5 or so priests or whatever they called themselves ,not tribes, I forget but they got together and made that pact concernig a NEW GOD of agreement.
(I wasnt about to go look up how many.)But I will now and correct it.

Its not the point at all, the point isnt in being able to Parrot talk the Bible word for word like some suited people do at my front door.

The hiighest order of the practicing tribes were the Essenes who stayed well apart from the rest.

Jesus /Yeshua ; My point here is that the Book cant even get his name right,and you state you belive it word for word.

The book places God outside of you.
Don't fall for it mate.
(Luke 11:52) ; Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.

Belive that instead ! ITs the bit they accidently left in there ;have a shot and see if you move forwards or backwards and you will have your own 'living proof'.

The Romans edited the letters and scriptures into the NEw testament.
Dont you see that they have everyone beliving outside of themselves? So it disempowers the people!Which empowers them!
That it was they who destroyed the true path home that 'Jesus' pointed to and 99% of modern mankind has bought it hook line and sinker and still pays.Through guilt/money and no self control.Priests included.

Aramaic was Yeshuas spoken language there are words in the bible that you belive word for word that dont exist in Aramaic. The word HEll is from Greek not Aramaic there is only inncorect way or wrong thinking doing from the Aramaic .

They have lost all original meaning,so why belive them word for word?
I dont get why?
Im saying free yourself from THEM by doing what Jesus stated for you to do...GO WITHIN.
Stop placing your belifes outside of yourself,stop giving away your own accountabilty
That was his call cry,render unto Cesear what is Cesears and to God what is Gods .
All Im saying is realize the enemy points outside of you and the redeemer has always pointed within.

Scrap, you had living proof from the scriptures that Moses was a biker!
How did that go?

Andre being a humanist I understand where youre coming from I like it secondly I like you top fella, may your God go with you cc

Correction
When they left Sumer(Iraq) three tribes went in two different ways.
The hebrew familys to palestine ,israelite and egyptian to Egypt.
Moses/ankhnaten returned to his folowers in the sinai who worshipped the LOrd GOd ,found out that the Hebrews were worshiping a one GOd of Jehovah instead of the LOrd GOd.
Thats the period that is refered to in the old testament as wandering lost for fourty years.
This is 'allegorically written' ,you only have to walk in one direction for a few weeks and your out of the desert; So obviusly the reference is to his followers decisions and their spiritual positioning.
Word for word is a trap.
For instance thieves in the night in those times used to make alot of noise to scare off people from their camps beofre they got there.
"The LORd shall come like a thief in the night" looses its real meaning when you take it all literally from our modern point of view which is another major trap.
God bless.

I have only really had one weird experience like this, and it was about 5 years ago now. My parent's house looks over the flats leading to the sea, and over the estuary there are two towns.
It was fairly late at night, maybe 2 or 3 am, and I just sat bolt upright for no apparent reason. I was totally awake, and from out the window, I saw this bright light through the blinds (it's really rural, so no need for blackout blinds to sleep at night.) Anyhow, i open the window and hop out into the back garden, and i see this light, like a huge seatchlight flicking back and forth across the valley. It was a proper huge one, and I thought it must be the police, until I realised I couldn;t hear anything, no helicopter or plane sounds at all.
Next thing I know, it's flitted about 10 miles across the estuary, and this light was flicking back and forth between parts of the hill behind the town there.

I'm not totally decided about it, but it was weird. As for ghosts, no dice here I'm afraid.

me and my bro while driving home one day saw a flying saucer about a decade ago. it was so low that you could actually see the details. i'm conviced steven spielberg has true closed encounters with these phenomena cos what me my bro saw resembles those little flying saucers in spielbergs "batteries not included" movie, only a lot bigger.

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Originally Posted by NotGuilty136

"god" isn't all powerful and the numbers scientists are trying to shove down peoples throats are inaccurate. Accept that.

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I'm always astounded when people talk about scientists in these debates as having one common agenda that goes against something or someone else like religion.

The fact is that they're a bunch of individuals who don't want to be known for be frauds or producing work that is not good quality.

They critique each other's publications brutally as they are often in competition with each other or at the least are passionate about what they think is good science.

You won't get a group of scientists covering for each other, especially worldwide. There a lot of different funding bodies for any type of research and there's no way they'd all be persuaded to sell something they don't believe is true.

Scientists can only look at the evidence they are able to find. They are not perfect. Some will make mistakes somtimes which is why other scientists must be brutal when deciding whether or not to let someone else's work be published.

I have heard of the occaisional fraud but ultimately they will be exposed - by OTHER scientist who want their jobs and their funding and have real results that contradict the lies and they want to publish them.

The scientific community is not one evil force trying to decieve people.

Science is the search for truth as Sharla says, untruths dont last long thats a fact.

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Originally Posted by Sharla

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Originally Posted by NotGuilty136

"god" isn't all powerful and the numbers scientists are trying to shove down peoples throats are inaccurate. Accept that.

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I'm always astounded when people talk about scientists in these debates as having one common agenda that goes against something or someone else like religion.

The fact is that they're a bunch of individuals who don't want to be known for be frauds or producing work that is not good quality.

They critique each other's publications brutally as they are often in competition with each other or at the least are passionate about what they think is good science.

You won't get a group of scientists covering for each other, especially worldwide. There a lot of different funding bodies for any type of research and there's no way they'd all be persuaded to sell something they don't believe is true.

Scientists can only look at the evidence they are able to find. They are not perfect. Some will make mistakes somtimes which is why other scientists must be brutal when deciding whether or not to let someone else's work be published.

I have heard of the occaisional fraud but ultimately they will be exposed - by OTHER scientist who want their jobs and their funding and have real results that contradict the lies and they want to publish them.

The scientific community is not one evil force trying to decieve people.

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You'd be suprised. Scientist operate in a highly competitive enviroment and the desire to be the first to discover something special can certainly encourage a selective honesty. The study of human evolution is replete with either deliberate hoaxes, slight 'alterations' to skeletal casts and gross over exaggerations. Piltdown Man and Nebraska man are just a couple examples of entire missing link homanoids being created that didn't even exist, the Neanderthal skeletons were dishonestly assembled to give neanderthal man that stooped shoulder, jutting forehead and simian look, something that went undetected for well over half a decade, other famous fossil finds like the Lucy skeleton have had claims of its bipedal status massively overplayed and anyone who wants to examine the original skeletal material has to sign an agreememt saying that it's owners get to 'review' any articles or journals written by examiners prior to publication.

Deliberate forgeries are a MASSIVE industry when it comes to fossils, the most famous recent example being archeorapter from 10 years or so ago. It's not just anthropology and paleontology that are subject to such untruths but all fields of science has its bad eggs. There was a world outcry last year when stem cell scientist Hwang Woo-suk was convicted of fraud and dishonestly in making sensational (and untrue) claims about his remarkable breakthroughs in the field of cloning.

In history we have often seen a whole nation's science team operating in deceit, like during Nazi Germany for example. In America right now any rejection of the absolute truth and acceptance of evolution as the theory for human origins will see you lose your tenure's and never get appoitments anywhere. You are outside the scientific community and are completely ostraschised.

There is a wealth of evidence that contradicts evolution and that informtaion is censured by the scientific community. School classrooms in the United States especially have become a battleground with humanist educators trying to force legislation through the law courts that bans not only the teaching of alternatives to evolution but even to a discussion of any criticisms of the theory.

Regardless of your own personal beliefs such an approach is intellectually dishonest and quite frankly rather sinister.

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Originally Posted by Scrap

Science is the search for truth as Sharla says, untruths dont last long thats a fact.

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How would you know if they lasted long or not? Some people still don't know that the dinosaur Brontosaurus never actually existed. Although this was known as early as 1905 it took almost another hundred years for it to be removed from the textbooks, Earnst Haekels drawings of Embryonic Recapitulation, the developmental stages a human featus goes through were known to be delibrate forgies in the 1940's but still persisted in the textbooks for another 40 years afterwards.

Evolution is a complete lie and has lasted so far for 150 years or so. Even when it falls out of scientific favour it will persist in the public consciousness and in textbooks for another 60 or so years after its been disproven.

Bilbo Shhhh. Let the heathen have their delusions. And if you don't you'll get hunted down by the alien bounty hunter from the X-Files.

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Originally Posted by Sharla

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Originally Posted by NotGuilty136

"god" isn't all powerful and the numbers scientists are trying to shove down peoples throats are inaccurate. Accept that.

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I'm always astounded when people talk about scientists in these debates as having one common agenda that goes against something or someone else like religion.

The fact is that they're a bunch of individuals who don't want to be known for be frauds or producing work that is not good quality.

They critique each other's publications brutally as they are often in competition with each other or at the least are passionate about what they think is good science.

You won't get a group of scientists covering for each other, especially worldwide. There a lot of different funding bodies for any type of research and there's no way they'd all be persuaded to sell something they don't believe is true.

Scientists can only look at the evidence they are able to find. They are not perfect. Some will make mistakes somtimes which is why other scientists must be brutal when deciding whether or not to let someone else's work be published.

I have heard of the occaisional fraud but ultimately they will be exposed - by OTHER scientist who want their jobs and their funding and have real results that contradict the lies and they want to publish them.

The scientific community is not one evil force trying to decieve people.

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The numbers they (and by they i mean most and by most i mean the widely recognized and "respected" ones) have come with are completely fraudulant. One of their "ground-breaking" ideas has it pegged that the universe we live in, which is composed of 3d objects (4 is you count our own consciousness), has to have 10,11, or 26 total physical dimensions for their theories to work. You can only have a stable physical existance in a 3d object. The objects they project to be 4d, 5d and even 26d, can actually be made into 3d models (if you make them solid OR in skeleton form) therefor negating the fact that its possible for another physical dimension. They draw it as a see-thru object but well over 99% of all 3d objects aren't square or for that matter a skelton type model of themselves so saying these models are a farce is fairly easy to prove.

Alot of their universal creation theories (including their big bang debacle) are riddled with the phrase "and then something happened". They have focues on numbers for way too long and numbers don't back everything up. There are numbers out there that HAVE to exist because if they didn't, mathematic formulas wouldn't work out yet we are unable to compute or even ballpark a comprehendable number (they have come up with the symbol i to represent the square root of negative one) for for the square root of negative numbers (this sounds petty but they are very significant when computing forces of nature and infact a lot of situations require them to be put in).

Numbers are limited and trying to find out everything just soley with numbers can't be done. I could also go into the fraudulant numbers when it comes to the scientific community (and again by that i mean those that people want to pay attention to) on glonal warming, but i'll save that for another time when they really start to set themselves up for it.

The frauds are found out by scientists not me not you, they are the seekers of truth

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Originally Posted by Scrap

The frauds are found out by scientists not me not you, they are the seekers of truth

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Yes but those who come up with ideas against popular already accepted without truth ideas get crucified.

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The frauds are found out by scientists not me not you, they are the seekers of truth

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The idea that when it comes to questions of origins that scientists are any more seekers of truth than religious folk or the rest of us is just ludicrous.

Everyone has a world view, a framework through which they see the world and interperet any evidence to fit their own theories accordingly.

Scientists, especially those involved in biological and evolutionary related fields are every bit as zealous as the most fundamentalist religious fundamentalists. Evolution is a religion make no doubt about it and guys like Richard Dawkins are its high priests.