Mayweather runs his mouth wreckless again.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I hope thats true,he could certainly provide for many more good fights! What did you think of his fight with Baldo Sweetpea? I ask because I was hugely dissappointed,I was seeking a boxing masterclass against a limited opponent and got that! You think the Oscar fight will be the same?

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I thought thru the first 5 or 6 rounds, Mayweather was delivering a masterful boxing performance. Speed/finesse fighting at its best. Ring generalship, effective punches, defense, the works. Some people will never like that style, but if you like the sweet science aspect of the sport, then you liked what you saw.
I thought he shut it down over the second half of the fight and basically ran out the clock. Whether that was because he hurt his hand like he said he did, or whether he just wanted to play it extra safe, I don't know the reason. But his strategy definitely changed.
He still won every round, but he didn't win the last 6 in the same impressive manner that he won the first 6.

As for the DLH fight, I expect it to be a technical chessmatch, which may bore some fans. One thing you have to realize is that DLH is supposed to be the puncher in this fight, and that is a role he's never felt comfortable in.
DLH is instinctively a boxer, not a brawler. His best performances in big fights were the first 9 rounds vs. Trinidad and then the performance against Vargas. In those fights, he had to be the technical boxer, because Trinidad and Vargas were bigger punchers. DLH feels most comfortable in that role and he can fight extremely well when he's in that situation.
He does not feel comfortable playing the role of the strong puncher chasing around a faster opponent. Against Pernell Whitaker (who is a good comparison for Floyd), DLH was supposed to be the strong puncher who could overpower the smaller faster Whitaker. He doesn't feel comfortable doing that. Instead, he was tentative and tried to box with Whitaker, and it turned into an ugly technical fight. I'm not even arguing over who won. Even the people who thought DLH beat Whitaker had to admit that he didn't look good doing it.

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Interesting thing you said about Floyd shutting it down in the second half of the Baldo fight which I didn't stick around for. If my memory serves me right, Zab dominated Baldo up until the seventh when he got caught. You think that had anything to do with it?

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Ill answer that. NO. Judah was put on queer street and completely ran the rest of the fight, the difference being( for those who would like to say Floyd did nothing but run), that Judah lost every round after he got hurt. Floyd never got hurt, and never lost 1 round. Comparison ends there.

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Originally Posted by p4pking

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I hope thats true,he could certainly provide for many more good fights! What did you think of his fight with Baldo Sweetpea? I ask because I was hugely dissappointed,I was seeking a boxing masterclass against a limited opponent and got that! You think the Oscar fight will be the same?

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I thought thru the first 5 or 6 rounds, Mayweather was delivering a masterful boxing performance. Speed/finesse fighting at its best. Ring generalship, effective punches, defense, the works. Some people will never like that style, but if you like the sweet science aspect of the sport, then you liked what you saw.
I thought he shut it down over the second half of the fight and basically ran out the clock. Whether that was because he hurt his hand like he said he did, or whether he just wanted to play it extra safe, I don't know the reason. But his strategy definitely changed.
He still won every round, but he didn't win the last 6 in the same impressive manner that he won the first 6.

As for the DLH fight, I expect it to be a technical chessmatch, which may bore some fans. One thing you have to realize is that DLH is supposed to be the puncher in this fight, and that is a role he's never felt comfortable in.
DLH is instinctively a boxer, not a brawler. His best performances in big fights were the first 9 rounds vs. Trinidad and then the performance against Vargas. In those fights, he had to be the technical boxer, because Trinidad and Vargas were bigger punchers. DLH feels most comfortable in that role and he can fight extremely well when he's in that situation.
He does not feel comfortable playing the role of the strong puncher chasing around a faster opponent. Against Pernell Whitaker (who is a good comparison for Floyd), DLH was supposed to be the strong puncher who could overpower the smaller faster Whitaker. He doesn't feel comfortable doing that. Instead, he was tentative and tried to box with Whitaker, and it turned into an ugly technical fight. I'm not even arguing over who won. Even the people who thought DLH beat Whitaker had to admit that he didn't look good doing it.

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Interesting thing you said about Floyd shutting it down in the second half of the Baldo fight which I didn't stick around for. If my memory serves me right, Zab dominated Baldo up until the seventh when he got caught. You think that had anything to do with it?

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Ill answer that. NO. Judah was put on queer street and completely ran the rest of the fight, the difference being( for those who would like to say Floyd did nothing but run), that Judah lost every round after he got hurt. Floyd never got hurt, and never lost 1 round. Comparison ends there.

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Obviously you misunderstood the question. I was asking if anyone though he ran so doesn't get caught like Judah did when he had the fight in the bag.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

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Originally Posted by p4pking

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I hope thats true,he could certainly provide for many more good fights! What did you think of his fight with Baldo Sweetpea? I ask because I was hugely dissappointed,I was seeking a boxing masterclass against a limited opponent and got that! You think the Oscar fight will be the same?

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I thought thru the first 5 or 6 rounds, Mayweather was delivering a masterful boxing performance. Speed/finesse fighting at its best. Ring generalship, effective punches, defense, the works. Some people will never like that style, but if you like the sweet science aspect of the sport, then you liked what you saw.
I thought he shut it down over the second half of the fight and basically ran out the clock. Whether that was because he hurt his hand like he said he did, or whether he just wanted to play it extra safe, I don't know the reason. But his strategy definitely changed.
He still won every round, but he didn't win the last 6 in the same impressive manner that he won the first 6.

As for the DLH fight, I expect it to be a technical chessmatch, which may bore some fans. One thing you have to realize is that DLH is supposed to be the puncher in this fight, and that is a role he's never felt comfortable in.
DLH is instinctively a boxer, not a brawler. His best performances in big fights were the first 9 rounds vs. Trinidad and then the performance against Vargas. In those fights, he had to be the technical boxer, because Trinidad and Vargas were bigger punchers. DLH feels most comfortable in that role and he can fight extremely well when he's in that situation.
He does not feel comfortable playing the role of the strong puncher chasing around a faster opponent. Against Pernell Whitaker (who is a good comparison for Floyd), DLH was supposed to be the strong puncher who could overpower the smaller faster Whitaker. He doesn't feel comfortable doing that. Instead, he was tentative and tried to box with Whitaker, and it turned into an ugly technical fight. I'm not even arguing over who won. Even the people who thought DLH beat Whitaker had to admit that he didn't look good doing it.

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Interesting thing you said about Floyd shutting it down in the second half of the Baldo fight which I didn't stick around for. If my memory serves me right, Zab dominated Baldo up until the seventh when he got caught. You think that had anything to do with it?

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Ill answer that. NO. Judah was put on queer street and completely ran the rest of the fight, the difference being( for those who would like to say Floyd did nothing but run), that Judah lost every round after he got hurt. Floyd never got hurt, and never lost 1 round. Comparison ends there.

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Obviously you misunderstood the question. I was asking if anyone though he ran so doesn't get caught like Judah did when he had the fight in the bag.

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No I think it could be likened to a any other sport like Football, Baseball, Basketball.. when teams get comfortably ahead they let off the gas and take out there stars and key players as to not risk injury... If Baldo had a remote chance than I'm sure Floyd would have been more engaging...

From the 1st round when Floyd cut Baldo up it was apparent he would never be in the fight he was getting peppered frequently and couldnt catch Floyd.... Also if you remember, I think it was in the 3rd round when the camera panned into Baldomir's corner he had his head hanging down and when he looked up you could see in his eyes he was already defeated... Not nut hugging at all, if you look at the video you can see.

Floyd fought a good fight against a bigger guy he executed to perfection and whether you think its exciting or not, technically there was 0 fault in the gameplan. it takes two in a fight if Baldo was that limited than thats his problem not Floyds. You know what I mean ?

if it takes two to fight then Floyd will never be in one


The Baldomir fight was a farce! Floyd had done more work in training than he did in that fight. He ran, he didn't throw many combinations, he sat back and played defense vs a guy with no offense.

Floyd outclassed Carlos but he didn't emphasize it with punching or anything exciting

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Originally Posted by Lyle

if it takes two to fight then Floyd will never be in one

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Again Lyle what will it take for you.... I bring up Willie Pep cause he was the 1st to admid he was a hit and run expertise... Then you say there is no comparison to Pep because level of opp, now Floyd is fighting THE BEST in the world at 154... Whats the Scrutiny now??? it will never end, when your the best you get scutinized till you retire then people become all misty eyed and nostalgic and say boy the new breed of fighters arent as good as__________<(insert name) happens in every sport on some level.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

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Originally Posted by p4pking

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by El Gamo

I hope thats true,he could certainly provide for many more good fights! What did you think of his fight with Baldo Sweetpea? I ask because I was hugely dissappointed,I was seeking a boxing masterclass against a limited opponent and got that! You think the Oscar fight will be the same?

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I thought thru the first 5 or 6 rounds, Mayweather was delivering a masterful boxing performance. Speed/finesse fighting at its best. Ring generalship, effective punches, defense, the works. Some people will never like that style, but if you like the sweet science aspect of the sport, then you liked what you saw.
I thought he shut it down over the second half of the fight and basically ran out the clock. Whether that was because he hurt his hand like he said he did, or whether he just wanted to play it extra safe, I don't know the reason. But his strategy definitely changed.
He still won every round, but he didn't win the last 6 in the same impressive manner that he won the first 6.

As for the DLH fight, I expect it to be a technical chessmatch, which may bore some fans. One thing you have to realize is that DLH is supposed to be the puncher in this fight, and that is a role he's never felt comfortable in.
DLH is instinctively a boxer, not a brawler. His best performances in big fights were the first 9 rounds vs. Trinidad and then the performance against Vargas. In those fights, he had to be the technical boxer, because Trinidad and Vargas were bigger punchers. DLH feels most comfortable in that role and he can fight extremely well when he's in that situation.
He does not feel comfortable playing the role of the strong puncher chasing around a faster opponent. Against Pernell Whitaker (who is a good comparison for Floyd), DLH was supposed to be the strong puncher who could overpower the smaller faster Whitaker. He doesn't feel comfortable doing that. Instead, he was tentative and tried to box with Whitaker, and it turned into an ugly technical fight. I'm not even arguing over who won. Even the people who thought DLH beat Whitaker had to admit that he didn't look good doing it.

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Interesting thing you said about Floyd shutting it down in the second half of the Baldo fight which I didn't stick around for. If my memory serves me right, Zab dominated Baldo up until the seventh when he got caught. You think that had anything to do with it?

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Ill answer that. NO. Judah was put on queer street and completely ran the rest of the fight, the difference being( for those who would like to say Floyd did nothing but run), that Judah lost every round after he got hurt. Floyd never got hurt, and never lost 1 round. Comparison ends there.

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Obviously you misunderstood the question. I was asking if anyone though he ran so doesn't get caught like Judah did when he had the fight in the bag.

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No I think it could be likened to a any other sport like Football, Baseball, Basketball.. when teams get comfortably ahead they let off the gas and take out there stars and key players as to not risk injury... If Baldo had a remote chance than I'm sure Floyd would have been more engaging...

From the 1st round when Floyd cut Baldo up it was apparent he would never be in the fight he was getting peppered frequently and couldnt catch Floyd.... Also if you remember, I think it was in the 3rd round when the camera panned into Baldomir's corner he had his head hanging down and when he looked up you could see in his eyes he was already defeated... Not nut hugging at all, if you look at the video you can see.

Floyd fought a good fight against a bigger guy he executed to perfection and whether you think its exciting or not, technically there was 0 fault in the gameplan. it takes two in a fight if Baldo was that limited than thats his problem not Floyds. You know what I mean ?

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I know what you mean but if Baldo is that limited then why didn't Floyd take on a real challenge. That's been the argument all along. People saying that he should fight Baldo cause he is the real WW champ when he clearly was far from the best fight out there for Floyd but all the PBF fans defended his decision when it was clear he was looking for an easy fight. I don't understand how his fans don't feel cheated. I mean, if I was a fan of his I would feel like he's insulting my intelligence saying one thing and doing the other like I'm not paying attention.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

if it takes two to fight then Floyd will never be in one

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Again Lyle what will it take for you.... I bring up Willie Pep cause he was the 1st to admid he was a hit and run expertise... Then you say there is no comparison to Pep because level of opp, now Floyd is fighting THE BEST in the world at 154... Whats the Scrutiny now??? it will never end, when your the best you get scutinized till you retire then people become all misty eyed and nostalgic and say boy the new breed of fighters arent as good as__________<(insert name) happens in every sport on some level.

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I wouldn't call a guy who's only had one fight at 154 in the last 3 or so years the best at the weight. Especially when the one guy he beat was Mayorga.

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

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Originally Posted by Lyle

if it takes two to fight then Floyd will never be in one

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Again Lyle what will it take for you.... I bring up Willie Pep cause he was the 1st to admid he was a hit and run expertise... Then you say there is no comparison to Pep because level of opp, now Floyd is fighting THE BEST in the world at 154... Whats the Scrutiny now??? it will never end, when your the best you get scutinized till you retire then people become all misty eyed and nostalgic and say boy the new breed of fighters arent as good as__________<(insert name) happens in every sport on some level.

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It's different because people came to watch Willie Pep fight and they didn't boo him for being boring.....people don't come and watch Floyd, people BOO him and they find him boring.

Willie Pep also DOMINATED a division, he beat everyone in that division......Floyd has never done that not in ANY of the divisions he has been in.

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

I wouldn't call a guy who's only had one fight at 154 in the last 3 or so years the best at the weight. Especially when the one guy he beat was Mayorga.

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Then who is the best at 154?

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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Originally Posted by Bx730NY

I wouldn't call a guy who's only had one fight at 154 in the last 3 or so years the best at the weight. Especially when the one guy he beat was Mayorga.

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Then who is the best at 154?

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There are many guys staying busy at 154 and I would say Mosley is better and call me crazy but Travis Simms is better than Oscar at this point IMO. See the thing with me is that I don't care about the big name but rather what I see in the ring.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

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Originally Posted by Lyle

if it takes two to fight then Floyd will never be in one

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Again Lyle what will it take for you.... I bring up Willie Pep cause he was the 1st to admid he was a hit and run expertise... Then you say there is no comparison to Pep because level of opp, now Floyd is fighting THE BEST in the world at 154... Whats the Scrutiny now??? it will never end, when your the best you get scutinized till you retire then people become all misty eyed and nostalgic and say boy the new breed of fighters arent as good as__________<(insert name) happens in every sport on some level.

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It's different because people came to watch Willie Pep fight and they didn't boo him for being boring.....people don't come and watch Floyd, people BOO him and they find him boring.

Willie Pep also DOMINATED a division, he beat everyone in that division......Floyd has never done that not in ANY of the divisions he has been in.

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Again though, were talking strictly fighting style.... Times have changed and so must opinion, a fighter has no say in the rankings and organization formats all he can do is maximize his opportunity... If in this era it meant staying at a weight and claiming the 5-6 alphabaets out there paying all the fee's then I'm sure thats what would happen... Sadly its not the case... Look at Judah vs Baldo IBF title stayed with Judah cause if Baldo payed the fee he would of got a piss worth a paycheck.... Plus deal with all the horseshit of rankings negotiating 50/50 60/40 75/25 etc... 2 totallt different eras

Plus look at Hopkins... He stayed at a weight for 20 defenses and maybe out of that, 5 of them were ALLSTARS, Calzaghe is at 19 and he fought no Universal Allstars at all and 1 win over Lacy and thats it ..

Both guys catch S*** in this era for staying at a weight and not moving and fighting other stars in higher weights

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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I wouldn't call a guy who's only had one fight at 154 in the last 3 or so years the best at the weight. Especially when the one guy he beat was Mayorga.

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Then who is the best at 154?

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There are many guys staying busy at 154 and I would say Mosley is better and call me crazy but Travis Simms is better than Oscar at this point IMO. See the thing with me is that I don't care about the big name but rather what I see in the ring.

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Mosley is not fighting anymore at 154. And when he was at 154, his only clear victories in 6 fights there were the 2 wins over Vargas, who is in worse shape that Mayorga.
Travis Simms had not fought in over 2 years until his recent fight with Rivera. He has fought mostly nobodies and his biggest win is against Bronco McKart, who has been beaten by every decent fighter he has ever faced.

floyd fighting oscar is the riskiest thing he has done his whole career and he should not be critisised for taking the fight. very risky.
but saying that i would not expect anything less from a guy who claims to be the best and he should have been taking risks like this for years.

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Originally Posted by SweetPea

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And yes im more than aware of the beating handed to Corales.
But, what im also aware of is Floyds approach and confidence in that fight compared to the approach to his last outing as a welterweight.

You will not see Floyd fight like that (corrales) against the big guys anymore.

He would be on his skates, he would throw less and Tony would throw more (Than Baldi).
That makes the fight interesting.

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Have you watched the Corrales fight? Floyd was up on his toes and circling the entire time, not that much different than how he fights now. He didn't stand flat-footed and trade with Corrales.
The only major difference is that Baldomir has a much more sturdy chin than Corrales.

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Still struggling to see the embarassing loss.

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Like I said before, if losing 12-0 in a title fight and not landing a single meaningful punch is not embarassing, then what is? Do you have to get KO'd to get embarassed?

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Well Bladi did actually start to land in round 2, but thats not anything to write home about ::**

And yes i did see the Corrales fight... And it was NOT the same fight as against Baldi... It was by far a more negative fight.

I still stand by my opinion that a fight against Margarito would exhinbit even more of a negative side of Floyd than the one we see against Baldi. And regardless of the final outcome, it would IMO do nothing to cement the legacy of Floyd Mayweather.

But i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one.


I just wanna make a simple point. Since 2002, Floyd has NEVER fought a highly regarded fighter, who is widely regarded as to be in prime condition and/ or fighting at their best weight.


I still waiting for May 5th! ;D

He should stfu! >:mad >:mad >:mad >:mad O0