Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Most made real good points on this thread, but we seem to always boil over on Calzaghe because he is a lovem or hatem type fighter and when there seems to be no middle ground I always concede to agree to disagree with everyone. We may be at each others throats on this topic but wmen we click the new response to your post link we could wholeheartedly be agreeing. Thats the beauty of it all.
:coolclick: to all for a healthy hearty debate
:coolclick: back bro.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
Sorry Karma wouldnt let me :coolclick: a few of you  ;)
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by magyar2007
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.
That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.
2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.
He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.
You are only kidding yourself here.
1) Yes Kessler has faced some top contenders and has two belts and is universally recognized as the #1 contender..... All in the same weak a$$ division.
2) Kessler
is the biggest test in his career, there is no doubt about that. He is young, has power, is undefeated and, unlike Lacy, is experienced and an established unified champion.
Rookiefan,I have to disagree with you here bro. Between them,they have all the titles and beaten most of the top opponents. You can't ask for much more than that man!
What exactly are you disagreen with me about?
I think some people are misunderstanding me.
I am not questioning that both Kessler and Calzaghe are great fighters.
I am not saying that Calzaghe has ducked anybody.
I am not implying that Calzaghe is not exciting or good for the sport.
I am questioning one thing and one thing only: quality of opposition.
The OP made a good point and out came bzknf (did I get that right?), wacko, miles, and all the rest to the rescue and talking like he had just insulted your mother(disclamer for the slow ones, that was a joke). Just the size of this thread is enough to indicate that there is some serious insecurity on how some people feel about Joe.
Nothing of what any of you have said has changed my mind that Kessler, despite not having done anything of any remarcable importance or having established himself as an elite fighter, is in fact Calzaghe's greatest threat so far.
Agreed and if Kessler is his greatest test so far then who the hell has he been fighting for the last ten years. This is why I started this post to begin with. Im sick of hearing about his title defences, he's full of S***
Name me one fighter he could have fought at Supermiddleweight that were any better than the opposition he has faced ??
Tsypko, Joppy, Beyer, Glen Jhonson, Roy Jones, Hopkins
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.
That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.
2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.
He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.
You are only kidding yourself here.
1) Yes Kessler has faced some top contenders and has two belts and is universally recognized as the #1 contender..... All in the same weak a$$ division.
2) Kessler
is the biggest test in his career, there is no doubt about that. He is young, has power, is undefeated and, unlike Lacy, is experienced and an established unified champion.
Rookiefan,I have to disagree with you here bro. Between them,they have all the titles and beaten most of the top opponents. You can't ask for much more than that man!
What exactly are you disagreen with me about?
I think some people are misunderstanding me.
I am not questioning that both Kessler and Calzaghe are great fighters.
I am not saying that Calzaghe has ducked anybody.
I am not implying that Calzaghe is not exciting or good for the sport.
I am questioning one thing and one thing only: quality of opposition.
The OP made a good point and out came bzknf (did I get that right?), wacko, miles, and all the rest to the rescue and talking like he had just insulted your mother(disclamer for the slow ones, that was a joke). Just the size of this thread is enough to indicate that there is some serious insecurity on how some people feel about Joe.
Nothing of what any of you have said has changed my mind
that Kessler, despite not having done anything of any remarcable importance or having established himself as an elite fighter, is in fact Calzaghe's greatest threat so far.
Open any top 10 list from any website/magazine and you'll see JC number 1,Kessler number 2. What more do you want? why don't you tell me who else should he fight? You questioned who JC fought,which is fair and well,but then you question Kessler? Combined they have all the titles,and have beaten the top contenders. Thats what I'm disagreeing about. All the titles,the top2 ,both undefeated,what is there to question(and you clearly questioned what Kess has done).
I have no insecurities about Joe,I'm not here to defend anyone,I just don't understand what your point is. Look at what I've just written,purely based on facts,how can you rebut that?
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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Originally Posted by magyar2007
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by magyar2007
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.
That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.
2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.
He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.
You are only kidding yourself here.
1) Yes Kessler has faced some top contenders and has two belts and is universally recognized as the #1 contender..... All in the same weak a$$ division.
2) Kessler
is the biggest test in his career, there is no doubt about that. He is young, has power, is undefeated and, unlike Lacy, is experienced and an established unified champion.
Rookiefan,I have to disagree with you here bro. Between them,they have all the titles and beaten most of the top opponents. You can't ask for much more than that man!
What exactly are you disagreen with me about?
I think some people are misunderstanding me.
I am not questioning that both Kessler and Calzaghe are great fighters.
I am not saying that Calzaghe has ducked anybody.
I am not implying that Calzaghe is not exciting or good for the sport.
I am questioning one thing and one thing only: quality of opposition.
The OP made a good point and out came bzknf (did I get that right?), wacko, miles, and all the rest to the rescue and talking like he had just insulted your mother(disclamer for the slow ones, that was a joke). Just the size of this thread is enough to indicate that there is some serious insecurity on how some people feel about Joe.
Nothing of what any of you have said has changed my mind that Kessler, despite not having done anything of any remarcable importance or having established himself as an elite fighter, is in fact Calzaghe's greatest threat so far.
Agreed and if Kessler is his greatest test so far then who the hell has he been fighting for the last ten years. This is why I started this post to begin with. Im sick of hearing about his title defences, he's full of S***
Name me one fighter he could have fought at Supermiddleweight that were any better than the opposition he has faced ??
Tsypko, Joppy, Beyer, Glen Jhonson, Roy Jones, Hopkins
Tsypko are you kidding me ??
Joppy was Middleweight
Glen Johnson is Lightheavyweight
Roy Jones was Lightheavyweight
Bernard Hopkins was Middleweight
Markus Beyer didn't want to fight Calzaghe.
Next.
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Originally Posted by magyar2007
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by magyar2007
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.
That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.
2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.
He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.
You are only kidding yourself here.
1) Yes Kessler has faced some top contenders and has two belts and is universally recognized as the #1 contender..... All in the same weak a$$ division.
2) Kessler
is the biggest test in his career, there is no doubt about that. He is young, has power, is undefeated and, unlike Lacy, is experienced and an established unified champion.
Rookiefan,I have to disagree with you here bro. Between them,they have all the titles and beaten most of the top opponents. You can't ask for much more than that man!
What exactly are you disagreen with me about?
I think some people are misunderstanding me.
I am not questioning that both Kessler and Calzaghe are great fighters.
I am not saying that Calzaghe has ducked anybody.
I am not implying that Calzaghe is not exciting or good for the sport.
I am questioning one thing and one thing only: quality of opposition.
The OP made a good point and out came bzknf (did I get that right?), wacko, miles, and all the rest to the rescue and talking like he had just insulted your mother(disclamer for the slow ones, that was a joke). Just the size of this thread is enough to indicate that there is some serious insecurity on how some people feel about Joe.
Nothing of what any of you have said has changed my mind that Kessler, despite not having done anything of any remarcable importance or having established himself as an elite fighter, is in fact Calzaghe's greatest threat so far.
Agreed and if Kessler is his greatest test so far then who the hell has he been fighting for the last ten years. This is why I started this post to begin with. Im sick of hearing about his title defences, he's full of S***
Name me one fighter he could have fought at Supermiddleweight that were any better than the opposition he has faced ??
Tsypko, Joppy, Beyer, Glen Jhonson, Roy Jones, Hopkins
Tsypko are you kidding me ??
Joppy was Middleweight
Glen Johnson is Lightheavyweight
Roy Jones was Lightheavyweight
Bernard Hopkins was Middleweight
Markus Beyer didn't want to fight Calzaghe.
Next.
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Your man was too much of a pussy his whole career to leave his home for a challenge or to move into different weight divisions. Period
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by magyar2007
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Originally Posted by OwnedByPacstraightleft
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Originally Posted by magyar2007
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.
That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.
2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.
He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.
You are only kidding yourself here.
1) Yes Kessler has faced some top contenders and has two belts and is universally recognized as the #1 contender..... All in the same weak a$$ division.
2) Kessler
is the biggest test in his career, there is no doubt about that. He is young, has power, is undefeated and, unlike Lacy, is experienced and an established unified champion.
Rookiefan,I have to disagree with you here bro. Between them,they have all the titles and beaten most of the top opponents. You can't ask for much more than that man!
What exactly are you disagreen with me about?
I think some people are misunderstanding me.
I am not questioning that both Kessler and Calzaghe are great fighters.
I am not saying that Calzaghe has ducked anybody.
I am not implying that Calzaghe is not exciting or good for the sport.
I am questioning one thing and one thing only: quality of opposition.
The OP made a good point and out came bzknf (did I get that right?), wacko, miles, and all the rest to the rescue and talking like he had just insulted your mother(disclamer for the slow ones, that was a joke). Just the size of this thread is enough to indicate that there is some serious insecurity on how some people feel about Joe.
Nothing of what any of you have said has changed my mind that Kessler, despite not having done anything of any remarcable importance or having established himself as an elite fighter, is in fact Calzaghe's greatest threat so far.
Agreed and if Kessler is his greatest test so far then who the hell has he been fighting for the last ten years. This is why I started this post to begin with. Im sick of hearing about his title defences, he's full of S***
Name me one fighter he could have fought at Supermiddleweight that were any better than the opposition he has faced ??
Tsypko, Joppy, Beyer, Glen Jhonson, Roy Jones, Hopkins
Tsypko are you kidding me ??
Joppy was Middleweight
Glen Johnson is Lightheavyweight
Roy Jones was Lightheavyweight
Bernard Hopkins was Middleweight
Markus Beyer didn't want to fight Calzaghe.
Next.
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Your man was too much of a pussy his whole career to leave his home for a challenge or to move into different weight divisions. Period
Why should he ?? Hopkins didn't he reigned at Middleweight for years if Calzaghe is comfortable at Supermiddleweight why should he move up ?? im not Calzaghe fan by any means but i think your being very unfair.
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You certainly cant fault Calzaghe for fighting Kessler now, that was the fight that everyone was screaming from the rooftops had to happen.
The question I have is win or lose where does Joe go from here? Rematch Kessler, Lightheavy, Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins?
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
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You certainly cant fault Calzaghe for fighting Kessler now, that was the fight that everyone was screaming from the rooftops had to happen.
The question I have is win or lose where does Joe go from here? Rematch Kessler, Lightheavy, Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins?
He's already said if he loses,it's over. If he wins,je'll stay at 168 to fight Pavlik or fight B Hop. Other than that,I don't think anything interests him. I definitely don't think we'll see a rematch.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by JT Rock
You certainly cant fault Calzaghe for fighting Kessler now, that was the fight that everyone was screaming from the rooftops had to happen.
The question I have is win or lose where does Joe go from here? Rematch Kessler, Lightheavy, Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins?
He's already said if he loses,it's over. If he wins,je'll stay at 168 to fight Pavlik or fight B Hop. Other than that,I don't think anything interests him. I definitely don't think we'll see a rematch.
I read somewhere if he beats Kessler he is going to try and conquer the Lightheavyweight division.
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
1: Kessler has beaten top opposition & has the other 2 belts. He is the #1 ranked contender.
That's an easy answer to a question that I am shocked you asked.
2: Not the biggest...but he's stiff opposition. Eubank, Lacy, Gimenez, & many other fighters in their times were pretty big tests.
He rates the biggest chance due to his youth & power.
You are only kidding yourself here.
1) Yes Kessler has faced some top contenders and has two belts and is universally recognized as the #1 contender..... All in the same weak a$$ division.
2) Kessler
is the biggest test in his career, there is no doubt about that. He is young, has power, is undefeated and, unlike Lacy, is experienced and an established unified champion.
Rookiefan,I have to disagree with you here bro. Between them,they have all the titles and beaten most of the top opponents. You can't ask for much more than that man!
What exactly are you disagreen with me about?
I think some people are misunderstanding me.
I am not questioning that both Kessler and Calzaghe are great fighters.
I am not saying that Calzaghe has ducked anybody.
I am not implying that Calzaghe is not exciting or good for the sport.
I am questioning one thing and one thing only: quality of opposition.
The OP made a good point and out came bzknf (did I get that right?), wacko, miles, and all the rest to the rescue and talking like he had just insulted your mother(disclamer for the slow ones, that was a joke). Just the size of this thread is enough to indicate that there is some serious insecurity on how some people feel about Joe.
Nothing of what any of you have said has changed my mind
that Kessler, despite not having done anything of any remarcable importance or having established himself as an elite fighter, is in fact Calzaghe's greatest threat so far.
Open any top 10 list from any website/magazine and you'll see JC number 1,Kessler number 2. What more do you want? why don't you tell me who else should he fight? You questioned who JC fought,which is fair and well,but then you question Kessler? Combined they have all the titles,and have beaten the top contenders. Thats what I'm disagreeing about. All the titles,the top2 ,both undefeated,what is there to question(and you clearly questioned what Kess has done).
I have no insecurities about Joe,I'm not here to defend anyone,I just don't understand what your point is. Look at what I've just written,purely based on facts,how can you rebut that?
Gamo my man, take it easy. I know I quoted you but most of what I said was not really directed at you.
There is no question Mikkel Kessler and Joe Calzaghe are the top two in their division. I know that between the two of them, they have cleaned the SMWs out. But that does not change the fact that they are the product of possible one of the weakest divisions in boxing today.
They have a combined record of 81-0. Very impressive indeed, and it shows that they are both great champions. Lesser fighters would've stumbled in the way to greatness. But I am sure that had they been in most any other division, it would be very unlikely that both would be undefeated at this time.
With that said, this debate will become all but meaningless in a few weeks when both men will get their chance (THEIR FIRST CHANCE) at showing the world their greatness.
Of course, non of that will matter anyway cuz, asside from one or two contries in Europe, no one will remember this fight come November 10th ;D.....sorry I had to say that.....
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
the truth is though when Calzaghe defeats Kessler on the 3rd people will be saying "Who was Kessler, Who did he beat"
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
"Of course, non of that will matter anyway cuz, asside from one or two contries in Europe, no one will remember this fight come November 10th Grin.....sorry I had to say that....."
I am not so sure about that. HBO has them under their wing now and they will definitely try to get the winner mixing it up with the likes of BHOP, PAVLIK, TAYLOR etc.
The winner will need to fight in the States though to get the press exposure.
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the truth is though when Calzaghe defeats Kessler on the 3rd people will be saying "Who was Kessler, Who did he beat"
Thats true.... But I won't be one of them I promise. Scout's honor.
Re: Whats all the hype about calzaghe????
hehe.
nah seriously though calzaghe has not done himself many favours in the past pulling out of fights but now hats off to him hes fighting the best in the division. I think we will see a good fight on the 3rd.
