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Really enjoyed reading this thread ccs to the main culprits :D
You deserve a CC if you read all the crap we've been posting
Define "we."
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Really enjoyed reading this thread ccs to the main culprits :D
You deserve a CC if you read all the crap we've been posting
Define "we."
You know Lyle he's right give him the credit for posting crap.
Re: This is the future of the US........
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by Lyle
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Originally Posted by Scrap
Really enjoyed reading this thread ccs to the main culprits :D
You deserve a CC if you read all the crap we've been posting
Define "we."
You know Lyle he's right give him the credit for posting crap.
In what way is it crap ?
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So I am not allowed to have beliefs without having a bunch of stats behind them?
So if someone asks if I am Pro-Life or Pro-Choice I say something regarding how many abortions happened the previous year? OR how many jobs and how much money providing abortions gives the US.....we certainly lose taxes because life is being taken but as you can imagine it's not the crux of the debate.
Besides you really haven't asked questions as much as you have asked for my opinion on certain statistics you have dug up...I gave you my opinion on your stats because anytime I posted any facts you say it's from a baised source.
You can ask for facts all you want to but all you have done is ask for my opinion on your numbers, you never asked me to provide any of my own, however:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalfindings.html
If the estimated net fiscal drain of $2,736 a year that each illegal household imposes on the federal treasury is multiplied by the nearly three million illegal households, the total cost comes to $10.4 billion a year.
I wasn't able to post the tables but they are there....so just check those out...but I am sure that it won't matter as you'll find some issue with who provided those facts.
Funny thing thats about the same $ figure that was quoted on a documentary on cocain profits allowed to enter your country by your top officals,while they point the finger at a slum gang (no13) whos total membership including the leader live in the slums and can only afford to smoke gunga themsleves,no coke for them! Your goverment backs the goverment and local cop war against them with cocain as the excuse.
Wool over the eyes of the public yet again?
To blame the 13s for billlions of dollars worth of coke ??? (Why do they live in slums if they are to blame for Billions)..That right it doesnt add up.
But it does add up when trying to balance out your countries way of life, which in reality is all you can do now that the way is set.
The cash only economy isnt a total loss either, like its sometimes made out to be, these people right or wrong "legally" haha, (America legal/ ha Lyle:Teamsters /Mob/coke /aside form all the politics you all have been talking about,ha ).
Any way those people dont hide the money or burn it up so you have get more gold stock to make more. They use it to survive and so it is rolled back into the system instantly through purchaces and is then taxed on once again right there.It has created some thriving businesses that if stopped now would create a void that only your other illegal side of life over there could and would instantly start to fill anyway.
Australia is different in taxes and %; but we got it all here too..
If I hire an illeagal imigrant I have to pay approx 22% tax firstly on my leagal dollars earned, including the cash dollars that I then give him; so It costs me $1.22 to hire him although it appears to some that its only a straight dollar.
I dont see it as a major calamity that will bring down our structure its just a minor hicup as its only one minor stage of loss in that dollars tax life; that then goes on and on through the system anyway; Its taxed before and after him ,he not tucking it under the bed he is only just surviving and his family is only just surviving and my heart over rules my mind in those cases.
Cool clicks to all invoved here ,you are all very smart men,much more educated than I and you all have so much more room for all that info in those brains than I have for sure !
I apparently have a large IQ but I am uneducated past 8th year so I can only suggest you dont outweigh your hearts feelings with your analytical or learned thoughts cause that comes back to test you eventually through some reverse circumstances to the points you feel you have to hold onto.
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....I am for the legalization and government control of drugs....might as well have the users pay for their treatment and be able to fund a whole bunch of government programs.
You just can't win the war on drugs....prohibition works about as well as wealth redistribution.
Re: This is the future of the US........
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by Missy
KL for president.
p.s it's crap. Outsourcing doesn't save any money for the consumer, what it does is increase profits for the companies. Several big companies have relocated where it's cheaper and there are lax labour laws, has the cost of their product come down? No.
Iraq attacked you? ::** however you are right on one point. They do care about money more than they care about you.
Yes they did, several times at that in the 90's. In the conspirist or "the US is just a war mongering bully" world, everything that happened in the 90's is one isolated incident after another with seemingly no connection or link to one another.
Unless of course something like this happened:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oplan_Bojinka_plot
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what episode of 24 was this?
I did say IRAQ and not abbu dabba screaming arab.
I see Sudan/Phillipines in the web based truth spew that is wikipedia but no Iraq. ???
Graphs and things in this topic are well wicked. You folks nearly lost the viewers but that brought the thread right back. 8)
That stuff actually happened and is well documented (far beyond wikipedia). Iraq was never a country. It was one religious fanatic group after another doing everything in its power to kill off its religious/ territorial opponents until it was over thrown. Infact thats all the entire middle east is and will continue to be until the religious nuts are taken out of power. That's all its ever been. We were attacked by a religious fanatic group that stems from the middle east. Saddam used to kill off thousands of kurds at a time with WMD's that he infact had and used. As far as i'm concerned, thats one less problem we have to deal with over there. The problem would be fixed if the region was inhabited by reasonable people but instead its filled with easily manipulateable people who put their "religious purpose" ahead of being a human.
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The economy is only growing expodentially faster for people who already have more money than they know what to do with. The middle class is quickly losing ground. They can't take a job with humane working conditions or benefits because companies can't afford to do that. It's insourcing a job instead of outsourcing, they're both just as bad for the middle class (which i'll remind you composes a VAST majority of america).
Companies are closing left and right because they refuse to break the law to make ends meet. I don't know where you live, but where i live, 2 major factories just shut down. Those jobs paid atleast $15 an hour. Those jobs are no longer available because they wouldn't cut benefits to their employees or hire cheap labor. Since you wanna use numbers, thats about 1,000 people out of a job with benefits which now adds to the strain on the government to provide for them. Thats right the government, not democrats (pc crazy hippies in denial of their own mental illiness), not republicans (fat old rich "god sent" leaders), the government.
Regardless of party lines, they all have special interest groups they lean towards to get elected. The democrats favor the gays (biggest mental illiness group on their roster) and angry minorites who they've brainwashed into thinking they are victims. The republicans favor the delusional churches and any business that will throw money at them.
All they care about is money which is funny because the way they're all going, nobody that lives here will have any to give them after the insane taxes that they'd need to collect to balance their policies and the money they do collect won't be worth anything as they continually destroy the dollars value day in and day out. Atleast they can burn it to keep them warm in the winter when energy companies get run out of business. Have you been to a small middle class town with in the past 10 years? They've mostly all degraded into drug havens as their isn't a good legitimate way to make money there anymore.
Again i will remind you that the iraq war wasn't started because of oil in the 00's, it was prevented from happening in the 90's because of oil. In the 90's, they (iraq's government) bombed us domestically twice (first world trade center, oklahoma city) as well as try to take the life of bush senior (overseas). If you believe in the 9-11 conspiracy you are an idiot because you would also need to explain how the government was behind those two attacks as well as flight 800 (and the bombing over in somalia). They had WMD's at one time (go in nothern iraq and look at the mass graves made for the thousands killed by chemical weapons) and thats a good enough lie to get in there because the truth would be really hard to accept.
The truth is we were attacked and they (our government) put the money we were making from "peace" ahead of the general security of the people that live here. This is a consistant pattern of action that is being taken today. They bring in millions of illegal workers just to save a couple cents in production costs. Those few cents are more important to them than the people that elected them to office.
Yes, unquestionably the American middle class are starting to suffer from globalisation. But they're also suffering because since Reagan there's been a shift in the tax burden from the top 1% of earners to the middle and lower income brackets. Middle class taxes are too high because they're gradually being given a greater share of the overall tax burden over the past thirty years. Reagan and Bush 41 shafted the middle/lower incomes in the 80s/90s and sent their taxes skyrocketing, then George Bush 43 got the very same dummies to vote for him in 2000
because their taxes were too high. And again, the mentally ill people are the ones voting GOP who don't earn more than $250 K pa. The people voting Democratic actually mostly have a clue what's going on in the world.
Even dumbass George Bush admitted Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and nowhere did I mention any conspiracy theories about 9/11, so it's
you with the idiotic theories, not me. There are only a small bunch of dead-enders, the Bush Fedayeen, who continue to believe looney tune stuff like that, because they can't admit they were lied into an illegal war for oil.
The Iraq war was indeed started because of oil. You can't name a single thing we've done in the Middle East since WW2 that wasn't to maintain and extend our control of the oil reserves there. All the problems we're now facing from Islamic terrorism are due to our actions in the region over the last half century. Like Iran, for instance. If we hadn't overthrown a democratically elected secular government and replaced it with a military dictatorship in the 1950s because they made the mistake of thinking they owned their own oilfields then
there'd never have been an Iranian problem for us to deal with.
The conflict between muslims and jews/ christians predates america and infact started back during the roman empire. Even then muslim groups had the belief that only their religion was right and would threaten people in the middle east to either join it or lose their life. A branch of muslims have been taught generation after generation from its 600a.d. or so inception to hate christians and jews and any such power in the world. They would've attacked us no matter what, good thing we're fixing the problem now. Luckily they are too dumb to advance on their own and weren't even a threat until they had an operative steal one of our military training manuals (he was given this chance because we have to be nice to everybody in america).
The middle class has to pay so many taxes now because the US population has grown far beyond a natural and regulated level in a very short period of time. We would always have to pay taxes, but they wouldn't be as bad if there wasn't millions of more people pouring in each year than is necessary. And you think that the democratic solution of making a universal healthcare system is gonna fix that? The dollar is collapsing and we're in debt bad enough right now (insert your bullshit idea of how thats all bush seniors fault when the national debt existed far before he came into office. Yes he's an idiot and hasn't really done anything productive in anyway, but one man cannot bring down america). You wanna laugh at bushes tax cut, wait til you see what that does to the american economy.
Earlier this year, liberal crazy california passed a law that gave all of its state workers extra medical coverage to include such things as hormone therapy and sex change surgeries. I don't care what bullshit ideology you were raised on, that's not normal or acceptable. If someone was ment to be a woman they would've been born a woman. The purpose of any living animal is to perpetuate its species. Running with the logic that someone was "born" gay implies that they serve a much higher purpose in the world and seeing that a good bit of them are very anti-religion, that doesn't pan out either.
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by Missy
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by Missy
KL for president.
p.s it's crap. Outsourcing doesn't save any money for the consumer, what it does is increase profits for the companies. Several big companies have relocated where it's cheaper and there are lax labour laws, has the cost of their product come down? No.
Iraq attacked you? ::** however you are right on one point. They do care about money more than they care about you.
Yes they did, several times at that in the 90's. In the conspirist or "the US is just a war mongering bully" world, everything that happened in the 90's is one isolated incident after another with seemingly no connection or link to one another.
Unless of course something like this happened:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oplan_Bojinka_plot
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what episode of 24 was this?
I did say IRAQ and not abbu dabba screaming arab.
I see Sudan/Phillipines in the web based truth spew that is wikipedia but no Iraq. ???
Graphs and things in this topic are well wicked. You folks nearly lost the viewers but that brought the thread right back. 8)
That stuff actually happened and is well documented (far beyond wikipedia). Iraq was never a country. It was one religious fanatic group after another doing everything in its power to kill off its religious/ territorial opponents until it was over thrown. Infact thats all the entire middle east is and will continue to be until the religious nuts are taken out of power. That's all its ever been. We were attacked by a religious fanatic group that stems from the middle east. Saddam used to kill off thousands of kurds at a time with WMD's that he infact had and used. As far as i'm concerned, thats one less problem we have to deal with over there. The problem would be fixed if the region was inhabited by reasonable people but instead its filled with easily manipulateable people who put their "religious purpose" ahead of being a human.
Where in the Middle East are the religious nuts in power?
And
'The problem would be fixed if the region was inhabited by reasonable people but instead its filled with easily manipulateable people who put their "religious purpose" ahead of being a human.'
is what they say about us. They say till we stop doing what we're doing to them that there'll never be peace. And they show that every time they're allowed to vote, but we ignore their democratic aspirations and prop up the dictators who rule them.
Re: This is the future of the US........
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by Missy
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by Missy
KL for president.
p.s it's crap. Outsourcing doesn't save any money for the consumer, what it does is increase profits for the companies. Several big companies have relocated where it's cheaper and there are lax labour laws, has the cost of their product come down? No.
Iraq attacked you? ::** however you are right on one point. They do care about money more than they care about you.
Yes they did, several times at that in the 90's. In the conspirist or "the US is just a war mongering bully" world, everything that happened in the 90's is one isolated incident after another with seemingly no connection or link to one another.
Unless of course something like this happened:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oplan_Bojinka_plot
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what episode of 24 was this?
I did say IRAQ and not abbu dabba screaming arab.
I see Sudan/Phillipines in the web based truth spew that is wikipedia but no Iraq. ???
Graphs and things in this topic are well wicked. You folks nearly lost the viewers but that brought the thread right back. 8)
That stuff actually happened and is well documented (far beyond wikipedia). Iraq was never a country. It was one religious fanatic group after another doing everything in its power to kill off its religious/ territorial opponents until it was over thrown. Infact thats all the entire middle east is and will continue to be until the religious nuts are taken out of power. That's all its ever been. We were attacked by a religious fanatic group that stems from the middle east. Saddam used to kill off thousands of kurds at a time with WMD's that he infact had and used. As far as i'm concerned, thats one less problem we have to deal with over there. The problem would be fixed if the region was inhabited by reasonable people but instead its filled with easily manipulateable people who put their "religious purpose" ahead of being a human.
Yes!
And they now continue to brain wash others into their false belifes.
They can be proved right on some points, but the fact is, so can we.
Its all down to points of view and letting others have theirs so we can all live in peace.
Killing into another country with other excuses for our arrival may make them right in some cases ;just as we can justify being there and terminating them on our western so called christian principles makes us right in some cases too.
They are both false rights really, just like the two wrongs expression.
If the USA gov are that heartfelt about injustices to innocents you would be walking in on North Korea (who have stated they are a direct threat to you and also refuse to de-arm themselves as well):
So why arent you guys walking into that anti human rights exterminating unit at this miniute?
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So america hasn't fixed hunger in third world countries yet, so what? There's atleast 20 other well off advanced countries and I don't see them fixing too much of anything either. Well if they want to believe that their god is helping them to victory and they will in the end "defeat the white american devil by allah's grace" I say we let them invade this country with "god's will" and we will show them the beauty of the second amendment. Forget them trying to only have 4,000 odd casualties over 5 years, I'd like to see them have atleast one person left standing in 5 hours. "War doesn't determine who is right, it determines who is left"- Patton
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No ,
Im just wondering that if the real reason for the Iraq invasion was because of a mad dictator on an eradication trip;
Whats the difference between Iraq and North Korea?
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Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
The economy is only growing expodentially faster for people who already have more money than they know what to do with. The middle class is quickly losing ground. They can't take a job with humane working conditions or benefits because companies can't afford to do that. It's insourcing a job instead of outsourcing, they're both just as bad for the middle class (which i'll remind you composes a VAST majority of america).
Companies are closing left and right because they refuse to break the law to make ends meet. I don't know where you live, but where i live, 2 major factories just shut down. Those jobs paid atleast $15 an hour. Those jobs are no longer available because they wouldn't cut benefits to their employees or hire cheap labor. Since you wanna use numbers, thats about 1,000 people out of a job with benefits which now adds to the strain on the government to provide for them. Thats right the government, not democrats (pc crazy hippies in denial of their own mental illiness), not republicans (fat old rich "god sent" leaders), the government.
Regardless of party lines, they all have special interest groups they lean towards to get elected. The democrats favor the gays (biggest mental illiness group on their roster) and angry minorites who they've brainwashed into thinking they are victims. The republicans favor the delusional churches and any business that will throw money at them.
All they care about is money which is funny because the way they're all going, nobody that lives here will have any to give them after the insane taxes that they'd need to collect to balance their policies and the money they do collect won't be worth anything as they continually destroy the dollars value day in and day out. Atleast they can burn it to keep them warm in the winter when energy companies get run out of business. Have you been to a small middle class town with in the past 10 years? They've mostly all degraded into drug havens as their isn't a good legitimate way to make money there anymore.
Again i will remind you that the iraq war wasn't started because of oil in the 00's, it was prevented from happening in the 90's because of oil. In the 90's, they (iraq's government) bombed us domestically twice (first world trade center, oklahoma city) as well as try to take the life of bush senior (overseas). If you believe in the 9-11 conspiracy you are an idiot because you would also need to explain how the government was behind those two attacks as well as flight 800 (and the bombing over in somalia). They had WMD's at one time (go in nothern iraq and look at the mass graves made for the thousands killed by chemical weapons) and thats a good enough lie to get in there because the truth would be really hard to accept.
The truth is we were attacked and they (our government) put the money we were making from "peace" ahead of the general security of the people that live here. This is a consistant pattern of action that is being taken today. They bring in millions of illegal workers just to save a couple cents in production costs. Those few cents are more important to them than the people that elected them to office.
Yes, unquestionably the American middle class are starting to suffer from globalisation. But they're also suffering because since Reagan there's been a shift in the tax burden from the top 1% of earners to the middle and lower income brackets. Middle class taxes are too high because they're gradually being given a greater share of the overall tax burden over the past thirty years. Reagan and Bush 41 shafted the middle/lower incomes in the 80s/90s and sent their taxes skyrocketing, then George Bush 43 got the very same dummies to vote for him in 2000
because their taxes were too high. And again, the mentally ill people are the ones voting GOP who don't earn more than $250 K pa. The people voting Democratic actually mostly have a clue what's going on in the world.
Even dumbass George Bush admitted Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and nowhere did I mention any conspiracy theories about 9/11, so it's
you with the idiotic theories, not me. There are only a small bunch of dead-enders, the Bush Fedayeen, who continue to believe looney tune stuff like that, because they can't admit they were lied into an illegal war for oil.
The Iraq war was indeed started because of oil. You can't name a single thing we've done in the Middle East since WW2 that wasn't to maintain and extend our control of the oil reserves there. All the problems we're now facing from Islamic terrorism are due to our actions in the region over the last half century. Like Iran, for instance. If we hadn't overthrown a democratically elected secular government and replaced it with a military dictatorship in the 1950s because they made the mistake of thinking they owned their own oilfields then
there'd never have been an Iranian problem for us to deal with.
The conflict between muslims and jews/ christians predates america and infact started back during the roman empire. Even then muslim groups had the belief that only their religion was right and would threaten people in the middle east to either join it or lose their life. A branch of muslims have been taught generation after generation from its 600a.d. or so inception to hate christians and jews and any such power in the world. They would've attacked us no matter what, good thing we're fixing the problem now. Luckily they are too dumb to advance on their own and weren't even a threat until they had an operative steal one of our military training manuals (he was given this chance because we have to be nice to everybody in america).
The middle class has to pay so many taxes now because the US population has grown far beyond a natural and regulated level in a very short period of time. We would always have to pay taxes, but they wouldn't be as bad if there wasn't millions of more people pouring in each year than is necessary. And you think that the democratic solution of making a universal healthcare system is gonna fix that? The dollar is collapsing and we're in debt bad enough right now (insert your bullshit idea of how thats all bush seniors fault when the national debt existed far before he came into office. Yes he's an idiot and hasn't really done anything productive in anyway, but one man cannot bring down america). You wanna laugh at bushes tax cut, wait til you see what that does to the american economy.
Earlier this year, liberal crazy california passed a law that gave all of its state workers extra medical coverage to include such things as hormone therapy and sex change surgeries. I don't care what bullshit ideology you were raised on, that's not normal or acceptable. If someone was ment to be a woman they would've been born a woman. The purpose of any living animal is to perpetuate its species. Running with the logic that someone was "born" gay implies that they serve a much higher purpose in the world and seeing that a good bit of them are very anti-religion, that doesn't pan out either.
In 1953, Iran was a secular democratic country. Their prime minister was Time Magazine's Man of The Year for bringing democracy to his country. But they made the mistake of thinking they controlled their own oil, so we overthrew their government and installed and trained and propped up for decades a military dictatorship that tortured or killed at least one member of every Iranian family. The anger against us built up and led to the Iranian revolution in 1979. That's why they don't like us very much.
The middle class pay more taxes because the GOP since Reagan have tilted the tax burden their way.
Immigrants even according to a rightwing think tank only cost ten billion a year. In a thriteen trillion economy that's a rounding error.
Undocumenteds can't claim benefits so if they're not working they can't stay in America. They're all there working, dude. They're there to earn money. All the lazy Mexicans stay at home.
The parts of the US healthcare system that are the most efficient are the parts that are currently socialised. The parts that are corporate welfare are the ones that make US healthcare the world's most expensive by far.
The dollar is collapsing because Bush is printing epic quantities of them to prevent the economy going into recession on his watch. Look here :
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=3870728
The Fed keeps making these "temporary injections" every few weeks now. All it is is more dollars printed to keep the economy from tanking.
Here's a piece of art for you :
At the hearing, Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York, chairman of the Joint Economic Committee, urged Mr. Bernanke to act more aggressively to stimulate the economy. "I’m very concerned that there may be a bigger storm on the horizon," he said.
But Mr. Bernanke refused to budge. Indeed, he referred first to the Fed’s attention to "price stability" and second to its interest in "sustainable growth."
That did little to cheer lawmakers. In an early sign of the political pressure that the Fed is likely to face if the economy falters next year, Senator Brownback, who recently abandoned his Republican campaign for president, pleaded with Mr. Bernanke to cut interest rates in time for the Christmas shopping season.
"It seems to me that now is the time," Mr. Brownback said. "When those gas prices get up to $3 a gallon, it seems to hit some sort of psychological point in consumer’s mind that 'I have less to spend,' and that’s a reality for them."
New York Times
November 8, 2007
If prices went up, people demanded not a stable purchasing power for the marks they had, but more marks to buy what they needed. More marks were printed, and more, and more.
Adam Fergusson
When Money Dies
How about that? I'm an installation artist. I'm Saddoboxing's answer to Salvador Dali.
We're cutting interest rates to fuel more easy money and printing the stuff faster than we can lend it. It's like 1930s Germany.
Yes the national debt existed, but under Clinton the budget turned into surplus for the first time in generations and we actually paid the national debt down for two years until Bush cut taxes and revenues cratered.
One man probably can't bring down America, but he's trying as hard as he can.
We don't have to wait to see how things turned out with Bush's tax cuts, here we are :
Tax revenues have always doubled every ten years, which helps them just about keep pace with inflation and increased spending. Inflation and spending are increasing hugely under Bush, so we'd better hope those tax cuts are boosting revenues for the future, right? Let's look at the numbers, with historical numbers included for a bit of context :
In 1950 we had $45 billion in revenues, which jumped to $91 by 1960. The link only shows from 1962, so you'll just have to take my word for it.
From $91 billion in 1960, we jumped to $192 billion in 1970.
In 1980, revenues jumped to a massive $517 billion, although the extra revenue was inflation caused by two disastrous external oil price spikes beyond our control.
By 1990, revenues had jumped from $517 to $1032 billion, again doubling.
In 2000, revenues had doubled again from $1032 to $2025.
Bush's 2001 tax cut was backdated to Q1 2001, so the cut was in place from the first day of fiscal year 2001. So by 2005, we should have been looking at revenues in the region of $3000 billion plus the extra revenue growth from the tax cuts, right?
Here are the numbers :
2000 : $2025
Bush tax cut
2001 : $1991
2002 : $1853
Bush tax cut
2003 : $1782
2004 : $1880
2005 : $2153
Here are the numbers for income tax, the tax that is supposed to grow the most in response to a cut :
1960 : $41.7 billion
1970 : $90.4
1980 : $244.1
1990 : $466.9
2000 : $1004.5
Bush tax cut
2001 : $994.3
2002 : $858.3
Bush tax cut
2003 : $793.7
2004 : $809.0
2005 : $927.2
2006 : $1043.9
http://www.cbo.gov/budget/historical.shtml
So instead of hitting $4000 billion in revenues by the end of the decade, we're looking at over a trillion dollars a year shortfall. In a $13 trillion economy that's a big chunk of money. Obviously, taxes are going to go through the roof soon to cover that 25% revenue shortfall.
Can you guess who'll be paying that extra trillion a year, the top 1% who've doubled their share of the national income since 1980, or low/middle income earners ?
That's an impressive amount to get wrong in one short paragraph. Are you trying to set a world record?
As for the last paragraph it just makes me happy that religious conservatives are a minority in the societies of the liberal west and not the majority as in Middle Eastern countries.
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No ,
Im just wondering that if the real reason for the Iraq invasion was because of a mad dictator on an eradication trip;
Whats the difference between Iraq and North Korea?
We maybe be good, but we can't take on everything at one time. Sitting around and hoping it goes away thru defeatism isn't gonna do it tho.
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Originally Posted by Andre
No ,
Im just wondering that if the real reason for the Iraq invasion was because of a mad dictator on an eradication trip;
Whats the difference between Iraq and North Korea?
Iraq have oil and no WMD, hence invasion.
North Korea have no oil and WMD, hence we flip flop and make peace with them.
Here's another piece of art I produced earlier :
North Korea is a regime arming with missiles and weapons of mass destruction, while starving its citizens..... States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. They could provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred. They could attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the United States. In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic.
Président Georges W Bush
January 29, 2002
We learned a lesson: The dangers of our time must be confronted actively and forcefully, before we see them again in our skies and in our cities. And we set a goal: we will not allow the triumph of hatred and violence in the affairs of men. (Applause.)
Président Georges W Bush
February 26, 2003
Washington -- The United States and Japan will maintain a united position toward North Korea and will cooperate on missile defense, as well as continuing to dissuade Pyongyang from launching a long-range ballistic missile, President Bush told reporters at the White House June 29.
"We both agreed that it's very important for us to remain united in sending a clear message to the North Korean leader that, first of all, launching the missile is unacceptable. There's been no briefings as to what's on top of the missile. They haven't told anybody where the missile's going," Bush said.
Reuters
29 June 2006
North Korea test-fired a seventh missile Wednesday -- amid international furor over the regime's launch of six missiles just hours earlier.The Japanese Defense Agency said one ballistic missile was fired from southeastern North Korea around 5:20 p.m. (4:20 a.m. ET), landing in the Sea of Japan about 10 minutes later.
The range of the missile has not been confirmed by CNN. However, Japanese news agencies said it was medium-range.
The seventh test came after North Korea launched one long-range and five shorter-range missiles shortly after 3:30 a.m. Wednesday (2:30 p.m. Tuesday ET). Those tests lasted about five hours.
CNN
4thJuly, 2006
On the threat from North Korea's nuclear program, the Prime Minister and I see the problem exactly the same way. We will not tolerate nuclear weapons in North Korea. We will not give into blackmail.
Président Georges W Bush
May 23, 2003
WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush on Monday denounced a reported potential North Korean nuclear test as provocative, "unacceptable" and a threat to global peace and security.
Associated Press
September 12th, 2006
UNITED NATIONS - The world's nations expressed opposition to North Korea on Monday for staging a nuclear test denounced even by key allies. President Bush called it “a threat to international peace and security,” and called for the U.N. Security Council weighed severe sanctions to punish the impoverished but reclusive communist nation.
Bush said the action deserves "an immediate response by the United Nations Security Council."
Oct. 9, 2006
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Re: This is the future of the US........
Two months before North Korea tested its first nuclear weapon, President Bush was asked about a Treasury Department investigation of North Korean counterfeiting of $100 bills, which had ruptured talks on ending Pyongyang's nuclear programs. "Counterfeiting U.S. dollars is an issue that every president ought to be concerned about," he replied bluntly during an August news conference. "And when you catch people counterfeiting your money, you need to do something about it."
Yesterday, the Bush administration agreed to allow those suspected counterfeiters, along with other North Koreans suspected of money laundering and other fraud, to get their money back -- with no strings attached -- in the hopes it will ensure that North Korea shuts down its nuclear reactor by the end of the week. About $25 million had been frozen by Macau authorities, with about half clearly derived from criminal enterprises, U.S. officials said.
John R. Bolton, the former U.N. ambassador who has emerged as a critic of the nuclear deal, said the retreat is "an image of surrender that is going to be hard to erase." Returning the money to entities that committed fraud "will have a dilapidating effect on bringing sanctions against Iran and other rogue states," he said. "It is a terrible symbol."
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