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He looked good from what I saw, but he needs to work on a lot of things. His defence is still far from great and if he has his chin out there against someone like Marquez, hes gonna get countered all day. This guy really didnt bring much to the table tonight from the opening bell. Valero still relies too much on his power.
Do you remember Pacquiao's head movement, footwork, and overall skill in the first Marquez fight compared to now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
Is that suppose to be a compliment for Pac? :confused::-\Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Did you see Valero's head movements, footwork, speed, overall skill?
Undercards were excellent.
You are comparing a 2004 Pacquiao to a 2009 Valero. Yeah, I see their ressemblance there. But still, Pac has always been faster than Valero.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesDo you remember Pacquiao's head movement, footwork, and overall skill in the first Marquez fight compared to now?Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftIs that suppose to be a compliment for Pac? :confused::-\Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Did you see Valero's head movements, footwork, speed, overall skill?
I'm all aboard the valero hype train. He looked great, thought his chin held up as pitalua landed a pretty flush shot on him that would have dazed a lot of other people
Valero is still raw, and yes Pac is faster but i'd dare say Valero has the harder punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftYou are comparing a 2004 Pacquiao to a 2009 Valero. Yeah, I see their ressemblance there. But still, Pac has always been faster than Valero.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesDo you remember Pacquiao's head movement, footwork, and overall skill in the first Marquez fight compared to now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
I can't dispute that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesValero is still raw, and yes Pac is faster but i'd dare say Valero has the harder punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftYou are comparing a 2004 Pacquiao to a 2009 Valero. Yeah, I see their ressemblance there. But still, Pac has always been faster than Valero.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Valero should fight Humberto Soto...thats a mutual train wreck:shinner: I like Soto down the middle
Wow I'm impressed with Valero and I didn't know that Robert Alcazar was his trainer either I thought he left the sport after Oscar fired him. Valero vs Katsidis would be a real interesting fight.
They're both come forward fighters. And when they clash, we will see Katsidis on the canvas. Dude, it will be like a farm goat vs ram.Quote:
Originally Posted by jon09
We definitely would see kats on the canvas...but doesn't mean he'd stay there, the man's all heart and will. If kats could take valero to deep waters he might have a chance, I haven't seen much of valero but has he ever been to round 10 and on, but that implies kats being able to absorb valero's shot's that late into the fight and don't know if he could.
Your the most level minded Pacfan on here, never nearly as much bullshit with you as the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftI can't dispute that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMoralesValero is still raw, and yes Pac is faster but i'd dare say Valero has the harder punchesQuote:
Originally Posted by Pacstraightleft
I thought Pacman could dodge machine gun spray, out run laser beams, and knock out yaks in a single punch..Quote:
Originally Posted by KelYour the most level minded Pacfan on here, never nearly as much bullshit with you as the rest.Quote:
Originally Posted by PacstraightleftI can't dispute that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales
Are we talking about the same guy?