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Trump is being very "blustery" in his rhetoric aimed at Iran. News analysts say he's "boxing himself in", meaning he's not leaving much room for responses after that. It's not a bad point to make. Trump's just coming into the Presidency. Couldn't he be better served to warn Iran on a less ratcheted tone... and save the outright threats for when there's no other recourse? Also... isn't it true that Trump would totally benefit from the total support of European allies against Iran? Let's be real. Iran poses substantially more of a threat to Europe than it does the U.S. So having Trump "leapfrog" European countries and threatening Iran is a bit misplaced. Gather the support... and then club Iran over the head.
If "mistakenly" releasing 10 yr old propaganda footage and claim it as intelligence gained from your first military strike in Yemen is an indicator, Trump is well on his way to making Bush and Obama look like truth telling pacifist. Someone needs to take his phone and shove it where the sun doesn't shine ffs. Trump has no idea what he is doing by babbling on and talking empty shat. This isn't a western or make believe and the Republican congress is already and will continue..to a point..to clean up his missteps and gradually turn outward. And eventually war within itself in disagreement and stagnate. Mattis and the adults in the room will step up behind the scenes and pull him into the woodshed..or walk..if he keeps escalating a military showdown. Militarily it's not about Iran, it's boarders, it's about the thousands of splinters it will unleash and activate. Then again I'm growing less convinced that it's not exactly what he and that Rudolph nosed boulder headed Bannon want.
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You guys are fricking deluded and out of your minds. Brock you were against the Iraq war and now seem to relish it now it is Trump. You hear posters mention the word 'rogue' and it would be comical if it wasn't so insane. You guys just killed more innocent peoplein a country nothing to do with you and you use the word rogue? Insane. Take on the entire world. Good luck with that. You cannot win WW3.
It was me that used "rogue" and I used in lieu of "fucked up."Iran and North Korea.I don't think I went too far out on a limb here.
If you consider North Korea, in their favor they have not invaded a country in many decades, nor toppled any regimes via coups, never used a nuke on people. Still, they are pretty rogue, but let's not be hypocritical here, eh.
No.... they just constantly issue stupid threats and lob missiles over Japan.They're not dumb though.They know if they ever used a nuke on anybody they'd be obliterated off the map.
But then so would everyone that's what makes the whole idea of nuclear weapons being a deterrent such a joke. It's mad. Mutually Assured Destruction. If you have to press the button it's too late and if you press the button you have not deterred anything.
Precisely the reason why nations like North Korea and Iran have no business having nukes. Let's face it, in an ideal world nobody would have them. But it's too late for that now, and eliminating all nukes from the world is an undertaking that will never happen. Still.... I think we can count on more restraint on the part of the major powers like the U.S., Russia, and China... than on the aforementioned.
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You guys are fricking deluded and out of your minds. Brock you were against the Iraq war and now seem to relish it now it is Trump. You hear posters mention the word 'rogue' and it would be comical if it wasn't so insane. You guys just killed more innocent peoplein a country nothing to do with you and you use the word rogue? Insane. Take on the entire world. Good luck with that. You cannot win WW3.
It was me that used "rogue" and I used in lieu of "fucked up."Iran and North Korea.I don't think I went too far out on a limb here.
If you consider North Korea, in their favor they have not invaded a country in many decades, nor toppled any regimes via coups, never used a nuke on people. Still, they are pretty rogue, but let's not be hypocritical here, eh.
No.... they just constantly issue stupid threats and lob missiles over Japan.They're not dumb though.They know if they ever used a nuke on anybody they'd be obliterated off the map.
But then so would everyone that's what makes the whole idea of nuclear weapons being a deterrent such a joke. It's mad. Mutually Assured Destruction. If you have to press the button it's too late and if you press the button you have not deterred anything.
Precisely the reason why nations like North Korea and Iran have no business having nukes. Let's face it, in an ideal world nobody would have them. But it's too late for that now, and eliminating all nukes from the world is an undertaking that will never happen. Still.... I think we can count on more restraint on the part of the major powers like the U.S., Russia, and China... than on the aforementioned.
Iran have as much right as anyone else to have nuclear weapons if people are going to have them. It's not a justifiable necessity to have the means to end all human life on planet earth. America has proven that it clearly cannot be trusted to restrain itself and Britain cannot even aim their's in the desired direction. It's laughable that the only country responsible for actually intentionally firing nuclear weapons at civilians and massacring and maiming them in horrendous numbers is now the one lecturing everybody else on restraint and who should be allowed them. Particularly now at a time in History when you have who you do in charge. This is why Trump being Orange is so prescient. It is precisely that vanity that will blind him to the suffering of others and actually do his best to out bastard all the other guys that went before him.
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Precisely the reason why nations like North Korea and Iran have no business having nukes. Let's face it, in an ideal world nobody would have them. But it's too late for that now, and eliminating all nukes from the world is an undertaking that will never happen. Still.... I think we can count on more restraint on the part of the major powers like the U.S., Russia, and China... than on the aforementioned.
Yes I think this is a totally reasonable stance to take and quite often I feel you are like the middle ground between us right wing nut jobs and libtards like Beanz and Gandalf. We're crazy and they're retarded so it's best you stay in the middle young tito. I don't know if this is a trait of Puerto Rico, frankly I don't know much about Puerto Rico, but it is endearing. Always be Switzerland I hear it's quite nice.
Anywho I think the libs miss the point about nuclear weapons, and weapons in general. They are totally naive to the true nature of the human species, which has been fighting forever. That's not by coincidence, that's in our DNA. So the average liberal says "hey, I wake up and do my yoga, and then I meditate, then in the afternoon I paint pictures that represent my subconscious mind and how I feel, and then I go out with my Nikon and practice my street photography, and then I come home and read some Deepak Chopra." And there's nothing wrong with any of that, but they think everything can be settled over some Earl Grey tea taking about our feelings, or maybe some slam poetry lol, but we don't work like that as a species. That's why we need laws, cops and the military.
War and conflict will always be a thing and it's always man's prerogative to conceive the best weapons to protect himself, his family and/or his country. If Trump disavows nuclear weapons, will that make Kim Jong Shitdick do the same? No, it just makes more probable because Shitdick says "hmmm he have the superior fire power, I think we can take it."
So long story short YES nuclear weapons, but hopefully to never use them. I'm a legal gun owner who owns many guns and I keep them with the hope that I NEVER have to use them outside of my gun club. But if I'm sleeping and I hear my door kicked in or my window breaking, with my wife and kids in the house... the culprit is leaving in a body bag because I've got a gun in virtually every room lol. Don't want to use it, but best to have a gun and not need it rather than need a gun and not have it. ;D
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Iran have as much right as anyone else to have nuclear weapons if people are going to have them. It's not a justifiable necessity to have the means to end all human life on planet earth. America has proven that it clearly cannot be trusted to restrain itself and Britain cannot even aim their's in the desired direction. It's laughable that the only country responsible for actually intentionally firing nuclear weapons at civilians and massacring and maiming them in horrendous numbers is now the one lecturing everybody else on restraint and who should be allowed them. Particularly now at a time in History when you have who you do in charge. This is why Trump being Orange is so prescient. It is precisely that vanity that will blind him to the suffering of others and actually do his best to out bastard all the other guys that went before him.
Boy, you really are made of spare parts, aren't ya? ;D
You're like a pawn shop guitar! ;D
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Beanz the world agreed to put limits on who could have nukes
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You guys are fricking deluded and out of your minds. Brock you were against the Iraq war and now seem to relish it now it is Trump. You hear posters mention the word 'rogue' and it would be comical if it wasn't so insane. You guys just killed more innocent peoplein a country nothing to do with you and you use the word rogue? Insane. Take on the entire world. Good luck with that. You cannot win WW3.
It was me that used "rogue" and I used in lieu of "fucked up."Iran and North Korea.I don't think I went too far out on a limb here.
If you consider North Korea, in their favor they have not invaded a country in many decades, nor toppled any regimes via coups, never used a nuke on people. Still, they are pretty rogue, but let's not be hypocritical here, eh.
No.... they just constantly issue stupid threats and lob missiles over Japan.They're not dumb though.They know if they ever used a nuke on anybody they'd be obliterated off the map.
But then so would everyone that's what makes the whole idea of nuclear weapons being a deterrent such a joke. It's mad. Mutually Assured Destruction. If you have to press the button it's too late and if you press the button you have not deterred anything.
Precisely the reason why nations like North Korea and Iran have no business having nukes. Let's face it, in an ideal world nobody would have them. But it's too late for that now, and eliminating all nukes from the world is an undertaking that will never happen. Still.... I think we can count on more restraint on the part of the major powers like the U.S., Russia, and China... than on the aforementioned.
Iran have as much right as anyone else to have nuclear weapons if people are going to have them. It's not a justifiable necessity to have the means to end all human life on planet earth. America has proven that it clearly cannot be trusted to restrain itself and Britain cannot even aim their's in the desired direction. It's laughable that the only country responsible for actually intentionally firing nuclear weapons at civilians and massacring and maiming them in horrendous numbers is now the one lecturing everybody else on restraint and who should be allowed them. Particularly now at a time in History when you have who you do in charge. This is why Trump being Orange is so prescient. It is precisely that vanity that will blind him to the suffering of others and actually do his best to out bastard all the other guys that went before him.
On the subject of who should have them and who shouldn't, I'm gonna be pragmatic about it and say it should be limited to those countries that have systems in place to make use of the nukes less likely. Regardless of how you feel about the U.S., or the history of nuclear weapons, I'd have to say the U.S. qualifies as one of those countries with a system of checks and balances which make the actual use of nukes less likely. Does Iran have that? Does North Korea? The U.S. realizes the huge responsibility that comes with having the world's largest arsenal of nuclear weapons. I have to believe Trump doesn't have a red button on his night table, which he can press whenever he feels like it. To me it doesn't matter who lectures who. To me it's a matter of practicality. As I said, we're beyond the point of no return as far as wiping nukes from the planet. So the next best thing is to limit who has them, because not every world leader is dealing with a full deck. However you might feel about Trump, again there's a whole system behind him... sort of a safety net.
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@Gandalf you can't even get your posters straight boy. I was against the Iraq war yes and I still am. When the fuck did I say I was for Iraq? U r the daft one. Secondly I never said "rogue" what are you on about?
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I said you were against the Iraq war but have mutated now into a neo con. It shows a lack of consistency.
As for the arguments made, it seems some of you want known aggressor states to have the toys but other states who don't carry out the same acts not to have them. Doesn't surprise me.
I am far from kum ba ya, I actually think everyone has the right to defend themselves equally.
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Miles can you not see that George Soros and other evil Global Elites are secretly funding these masked violent protests across the country and secretly funding the sanctuary cities were the mayors who were elected to uphold the Constitution of the United States are ordering their local police forces to stand down and to resist any federal orders to enforce the law? Can't you see how hard the global Elites are trying to squash Donald Trump? Can't you see how hard they ganged up on him from when he announced that he was going to run? Doesn't that tell you something miles? He is against geopolitical Germany. Do you understand that Miles? He wants to bring the company's back to the United States and already almost 1 million jobs have returned based on companies which have cancelled their production facilities in other countries and brought them back to Illinois and Ohio and Michigan and West Virginia and Tennessee and Colorado already miles. Why didn't Obama or Clinton or bush do that Miles? Can't you see that this is the man for the people? Are you being blinded by the geopolitical global Elite news coming out of the mainstream media that Donald Trump is a fascist dictator? @Gandalf
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I was gonna do a separate thread on this, but there's too many politics threads already.
FACT: 99% of political party affiliated people give ZERO credit to the predecessor, especially if he's from the opposite party
You see it in the real world.... you see it here. Trumpians generally give ZERO credit to Obama for ANYTHING. The guy did nothing right in 8 years in office. He was the scourge of civilization. He stepped down just in time. By the same token, Trump does NOTHING wrong. Zero..... zilch.... nada. It's as predictable as the passage of time. What it does is it hurts people's credibility. How do you believe true criticism which might be right, when it's surrounded by so much illogical hate? It gets to where viewpoints become knee-jerk reactions to what the other guy just said. I don't think we even finish reading, before we're already formulating our retorts.
The other 1% is capable of criticizing on one hand and praising on the other.
The other 1% can praise Obama for what he did good, and criticize him for what he didn't.
Same with Trump.
That's me...... a 1%'er. :)
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I don't think Obama was all wrong but he fucked a lot of things up and ultimately was bad for America. As a person I think he is probably a good guy and I like the fact that he has blood on his hands (which is where it should be if you're president), but he overreached and ultimately failed at what he claimed to be about.
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I was gonna do a separate thread on this, but there's too many politics threads already.
FACT: 99% of political party affiliated people give ZERO credit to the predecessor, especially if he's from the opposite party
You see it in the real world.... you see it here. Trumpians generally give ZERO credit to Obama for ANYTHING. The guy did nothing right in 8 years in office. He was the scourge of civilization. He stepped down just in time. By the same token, Trump does NOTHING wrong. Zero..... zilch.... nada. It's as predictable as the passage of time. What it does is it hurts people's credibility. How do you believe true criticism which might be right, when it's surrounded by so much illogical hate? It gets to where viewpoints become knee-jerk reactions to what the other guy just said. I don't think we even finish reading, before we're already formulating our retorts.
The other 1% is capable of criticizing on one hand and praising on the other.
The other 1% can praise Obama for what he did good, and criticize him for what he didn't.
Same with Trump.
That's me...... a 1%'er. :)
Ya Obama and his people did that to the bush admin for eight years
