Just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds James Toney vs Sam Peter

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Originally Posted by Starr

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

the judge problem is NOT that toney lost, its that the margins were a little wide but toney was far from dominant, and he didnt do enough to be guarenteed a win

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Neither did Peter, Peter did even less but he got a guaranteed margin ::**

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im just saying i can see people being mad about the margins but not the overall outcome, i did feel at the end it could have gone to peter, tho i thought toney may have won it, i think its fair what happened when you consider that the judge who gave it to toney had it by a large margin as well


this was a fantastic night, i am very pleased, i ate a burger and watched me a great outcome


and fuck darchinian >:mad

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Originally Posted by tuckwopat

It's just typical boxing. Maybe he got robbed maybe he didn't. This kinda stuff doesn't commonly take place in MMA. I'm beginning to lean more in that direction. There are a lot less cry babies there as well.

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Maybe...but there aren't any skilled fighters like Toney, Hopkins, Wright, Mayweather, & the likes...just a lot more blood & rednecks. ;D

Again this is just another example of how historically the heavyweight division has always been the most corrupt and continues to be with this desicion is a mockery and insult to all us boxing fan's intelligence

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Originally Posted by Starr

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

not even panama lewis' mix could have given toney a chance if they scuffled without gloves after the fight :D



oh, and BTW, FUCK KOSTYA TSZYU >:mad >:mad

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toney started yelling at one of peters corner men tha announcers said threw a cup at peter at the press conference, and he started going at him, toney people held him back, and then he flipped out and broke past them and tried to attack the guy, who moved away, right as he lunged peter started going towards him to try to calm him and toneys people held toney in the corner he ended up in after lunging at peters guy from where toney began yelling in peters direction and acted as if he was gonna try to go after him, the security immidiatley got peter out of the ring and to the back

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Originally Posted by Swice

Something needs to be done about boxing judges.

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That wasn't that bad of a judge's call...that was a damned hard fight to score.

Watching it again right now, maybe I'll have a different opinion this go around...but it was a great fight regardless.

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

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Originally Posted by Starr

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

the judge problem is NOT that toney lost, its that the margins were a little wide but toney was far from dominant, and he didnt do enough to be guarenteed a win

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Neither did Peter, Peter did even less but he got a guaranteed margin ::**

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im just saying i can see people being mad about the margins but not the overall outcome, i did feel at the end it could have gone to peter, tho i thought toney may have won it, i think its fair what happened when you consider that the judge who gave it to toney had it by a large margin as well


this was a fantastic night, i am very pleased, i ate a burger and watched me a great outcome


and fuck darchinian >:mad

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115-113 for Toney is NOT a wide margin. That means if there wasn't a point deduction it would have been a MC for Peter 117-111

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Again this is just another example of how historically the heavyweight division has always been the most corrupt and continues to be with this desicion is a mockery and insult to all us boxing fan's intelligence

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Oh come on.

That fight was a lot closer than the robbery that's being broadcast.

I thought Toney won...but it was like he was raped out of the decision.

Close fight & a bad call doesn't equate to a robbery...this wasn't Augustus Burton I.

honestley i think that deduction was non-sense for two reasons, toney was allowed to hold the ropes when he was hurt, AND it the the most entertaining maneuver since augustus did the "im spinning my arms to catch my balance after leaning back" thing to logan

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by tuckwopat

It's just typical boxing. Maybe he got robbed maybe he didn't. This kinda stuff doesn't commonly take place in MMA. I'm beginning to lean more in that direction. There are a lot less cry babies there as well.

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Maybe...but there aren't any skilled fighters like Toney, Hopkins, Wright, Mayweather, & the likes...just a lot more blood & rednecks. ;D

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Check the Redneck talk.... ;D Who cares if there skilled or not if there getting porked on the desicions...Toney got Fuked tonite, Hop got fuked at least once against Taylor, Wright arguably got Fuked against Taylor...So you have just validated my point...If the older fighters don't want to leave and cant KO there opponenets we will force them out ITS ALL STUPID :banghead: :furious2:

This is for the Pussy who anonymously SC'D me :fyou:

Well...whatever the case...it's that time again girls.

:coolclick: s are on the way & I had a blast. Got to log off & go to work on the boxing theatre that is currently under construction.

Cheers to all.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Again this is just another example of how historically the heavyweight division has always been the most corrupt and continues to be with this desicion is a mockery and insult to all us boxing fan's intelligence

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Oh come on.

That fight was a lot closer than the robbery that's being broadcast.

I thought Toney won...but it was like he was raped out of the decision.

Close fight & a bad call doesn't equate to a robbery...this wasn't Augustus Burton I.

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Notice I never used the word "robbery." It was a good fight but Toney won it. To have it 116-111 for Peter that judge would have to had filled out his scorecard before the fight started. When I say something has to be done about boxing judges, I mean there should be some continuity in their scoring.

toney deserves a ton of credit for standing up to a heavyweight so much larger and stronger than him . . . one of the greats of the past 15 or so years.

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Well...whatever the case...it's that time again girls.

:coolclick: s are on the way & I had a blast. Got to log off & go to work on the boxing theatre that is currently under construction.

Cheers to all.

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Another excellent DRBR, Wacks!! CC when karma allows.....Nice work! :appl:

Peter won 2 or 3 of the early rounds, several rounds were very VERY hard to settle on a score, then Peter won the last round. Some of you had this to say:

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Originally Posted by miles

Peter is doing better than I thought he would here....It seems Toney needs these final rounds...

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Originally Posted by dasamm

Peter is doing better than I thought he would too, especially in the later rounds. This one is close and it could go either way...

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

once again with seconds left peter lands the best punch of the round

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

Its gonna be a Got Damn Draw!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Well at least it's an exciting draw

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Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

its possible that it went to peter

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Originally Posted by JT Rock

TOTAL FUKIN BULLSHIZZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO WAY ANOTHER SCREW JOB GETTING MORE CORRUPT

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

Peter wins it.

Honestly...that was a close fight...but honestly...I had it for Toney.

Good fight...questionable decision...but not a robbery.

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Originally Posted by miles

WTF??????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????? ???

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Originally Posted by dasamm

Peter is "better for boxing."

It was close and can't be called a robbery but some questionable scoring 116-111 seems a little off.

Good fight tonight though...one of those fights that couldve went to either guy and theres arguments both ways.

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...and now it's a robbery. Come now people. Watch the fight again. It's a lot closer than you think. Commentators were even saying that they wouldn't want to be a judge because it was so close & that you like the first minute of the round for Toney & then the last of it for Peter.

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Originally Posted by Devol

Those score margins and 1 of the fact that 1 judge had it opposite of the other 2 makes you wonder doesn't it? How F****** long will it take for us to see a change in the sport we love, and sometimes hate to love. Quartey - Forrest anyone hell the Green fight on espn last night ? blehhhh

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Holy shit.

Please...that was not remotely close to Quartey Forrest.

Peter stood toe to toe with the most technical fighter out there & shook him 4 out of 12 rounds & traded shot for shot with him...that fight was close.

Close enough to scratch the robbery.

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Originally Posted by sweet science

toney deserves a ton of credit for standing up to a heavyweight so much larger and stronger than him . . . one of the greats of the past 15 or so years.

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Agreed...Peter deserves loads of respect & get's it from me for being able to hang with a techie like Toney.

I was just impressed over all.

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Originally Posted by miles

Another excellent DRBR, Wacks!! CC when karma allows.....Nice work! :appl:

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Thanks babe. You know that I enjoyed it as usual.

5 point differential is a bit too much to have Peter ahead.

The fight was a very close fight but it could have gone either way I'm ok with the Decision if it would ahve gone for Toney that would ahve been fine too.

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

5 point differential is a bit too much to have Peter ahead.

The fight was a very close fight but it could have gone either way I'm ok with the Decision if it would ahve gone for Toney that would ahve been fine too.

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Let me say this...& everyone can rip this to shreds all you want...but I generally try to score the fight myself when watching. I don't try to focus on the judges...but more so what I think.

I thought that Peter hung well with Toney.
I thought that the fight was very close.
I thought that Toney won.
I have no problem that Peter won because that shit was close.
Way to close for me to scream robbery.
End of story.

im bout to watch the replay and on showtime 2, the gurrero fight just ended, and next up is the interviewabout that gay ass unheard of show ;D

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

5 point differential is a bit too much to have Peter ahead.

The fight was a very close fight but it could have gone either way I'm ok with the Decision if it would ahve gone for Toney that would ahve been fine too.

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Let me say this...& everyone can rip this to shreds all you want...but I generally try to score the fight myself when watching. I don't try to focus on the judges...but more so what I think.

I thought that Peter hung well with Toney.
I thought that the fight was very close.
I thought that Toney won.
I have no problem that Peter won because that shit was close.
Way to close for me to scream robbery.
End of story.

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I argee. Notice gow fucked up I'ma right now I miisspelkled "have" twice in my previous post. ;D
5 cups of Cazadores (tequila) with Squirt (Soda), 1 lemon & Slat with ice. :lickish:

the judges from boxrec
(peter - toney)
Judge: Dick Flaherty 116-111 | Judge: Gale Van Hoy 115-112 | Judge: Alejandro Rochin 111-116 ~

some recent fights theyve scored

http://boxrec.com/officials.php?official_id=97 - Dick Flaherty
scored ouma powell 100-90 for ouma

http://boxrec.com/officials.php?official_id=784 - Gale Van Hoy
scored Eagle Kyowa - Rodel Mayol 117-110 for kyowa

http://boxrec.com/officials.php?official_id=909 - Alejandro Rochin
scored Eagle Kyowa - Rodel Mayol 114-113 for kyowa

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the judge who gave it to toney from the one example seems not to like scoring fights one sided

the other two dont seem to mind giving every round to one fighter

I hate Toney!!!!!!!!!! But he got robbed!!

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Originally Posted by TheDukeof74

I hate Toney!!!!!!!!!! But he got robbed!!

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Least your honest man. He did get screwed. Just wonderin how ya think James woulda done against Tommy Morrison?

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

Call me insane but I picked Peter by Decision :o

As a general rule I always lean towards the boxer that carries the skills and experience over hunger and size advantage but lately I'm swinging the other way (keep your pants on Wackoff ;D )

It still amazes me that he is competitive with the Heavies considering he spent the 1st seven years of his career as a Middleweight and is 38 years old.

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;)

Toney controlled the ring and landed the cleaner shots. You could tell by looking at Sam Peter after the fight that even he didn't think he won. 115-113 Toney

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

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Originally Posted by Hairdoo

Call me insane but I picked Peter by Decision :o

As a general rule I always lean towards the boxer that carries the skills and experience over hunger and size advantage but lately I'm swinging the other way (keep your pants on Wackoff ;D )

It still amazes me that he is competitive with the Heavies considering he spent the 1st seven years of his career as a Middleweight and is 38 years old.

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I dont agree with the result, but well done on getting the pick :coolclick:

I would never have thought Peter would get a decision, a KO maybe, but an actual decision ???

WOW didnt see that one coming...

CC wacko 8)

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Originally Posted by wacko3205

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Originally Posted by Starr

Sure lets throw the one dimensional Peter in with a tall heavyweight and watch him get outboxed again but watch till the last second because he has "power" ::**

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He hung in pretty well with Toney to so one dimensional.

Honestly, I was thrilled with the fight & the performances by both men. Hell...I'd like to see a rematch.

Peter did good & Toney did well...just on the fact that he could take the shots.

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Sorry Wack, wish i coulda been around for this one....was planning to be but was just knackered after a long day's life outside the DRBR scene, and didn't quite have the energy to bring it back for the fight, i was in the lounge on the couch asleep, though the window was open to the DRBR, just didn't shift from the couch. :p sounds like it was well worth watching, and I'll be on youtube looking for it later on.

CC for your work big fella, and nice one Peter, well chuffed with that result.

Fight was close but WTF with 116-111 that is BS. I had it 115-113 for Toney,rematch would be nice. I was impresed with both figthers for going 12 rounds,never tought Sam would get decision. Fight was too close could of gone eather direction but what bother me is 116-111 what fight those two judges was watching ???

Read through the round by round thread earlier to find out what happened last night. As I was reading through it it seemed like it was going to be a good advert for the heavyweight division but the judges seem to have blown it with the scoring. Shame as it is not what boxing needs. From what i have read on the thread it seemed like a really good close fight and the scores did not do it justice. Anyway keep up the good work wacko and really enjoy your round by round threads and it is a great way of keeping informed of the fights we dont get to see live here in the UK. CC.

Super close fight. I thought it was going to be a draw. JFAT landed more shots but they didnt do shat to Peter. Peter did land some big shots that seemed to hurt JFAT. Another thing that im sure has been posted:JFAT started each round fast but Peter finished them better.
No way do I want to see a rematch. I see Peter giving Oleg a serious beat down.

CC wacko thanks as usual

your moderating comments regarding robbery are all well and good. But turn your attention instead from the radical responses of fans to the actual official scores and judge them if you would.

116-111 - without the point reduction we're talking 117-110 by two judges on a fight you said was close and could go either way, and on first watching had it for the other boxer.

Those scores by two judges at ringside really puts your assessment of the fight in question. Instead of being so damnably sensible about this, can you respond to their rather significant disagreement with you? 117-110 doesn't seem very close a-tall ...

That said, and hope it gets a rise out of you :) it is great that Sam stood in with Toney and showed some composure and skills. Good for him!

I didn't get to see this fight - damn grad school! - but I'm really surprised by the result. Hats off to Peter, though.

So did Peter look like he learned anything from the fight with Wlad? Or was it just a matter of his strength negating some of Toney's skill?

Thanks again for the RBR, Wacko!

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Originally Posted by NuthaPug

CC wacko thanks as usual

your moderating comments regarding robbery are all well and good. But turn your attention instead from the radical responses of fans to the actual official scores and judge them if you would.

116-111 - without the point reduction we're talking 117-110 by two judges on a fight you said was close and could go either way, and on first watching had it for the other boxer.

Those scores by two judges at ringside really puts your assessment of the fight in question. Instead of being so damnably sensible about this, can you respond to their rather significant disagreement with you? 117-110 doesn't seem very close a-tall ...

That said, and hope it gets a rise out of you :) it is great that Sam stood in with Toney and showed some composure and skills. Good for him!

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You are right. That margin is very unjust. No way did Peter win by that distance....heck, he didnt even win as many rounds as Toney!!! ??? :-\

did anyone happen to catch what the corner of toney was telling him before the 12th? was he told he needed a ko ?
it was close imo but toney pulled of a close UD.......fucking fat motherfuckers had a good showing but still makes me wonder what the fight would have been like if they had come in shape....... :(

and cc wacko

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Originally Posted by rsan-chez

did anyone happen to catch what the corner of toney was telling him before the 12th? was he told he needed a ko ?
it was close imo but toney pulled of a close UD.......F****** fat motherfuckers had a good showing but still makes me wonder what the fight would have been like if they had come in shape....... :(

and cc wacko

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W all said a focussed Toney at 225 would box rings around peter.....even at 38...

Its frustrating being a Toney fan sometimes, even though he won...

We all know what these judges can be like....

Based on the pace for a heavyweight fight, I think both guys came in pretty good shape...While I think Toney won a close decision I believe Peter was a much improved fighter from where he was when he fought Vlad...Sam's punches were short reasonably accurate and he came in behind a jab, something I haven't really seen from him before and did you see Peter landing the hook on Toney? nice stuff...I think both of these guys beat Maskaev but Peter does it spectacularly...

So peter beats Oleg...is it Peter/Wlad 2 or Peter/Valuev 1 and Wlad get rid of Liachovich(sp.)...how do you think is goes down?

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Originally Posted by tuckwopat

It's just typical boxing. Maybe he got robbed maybe he didn't. This kinda stuff doesn't commonly take place in MMA. I'm beginning to lean more in that direction. There are a lot less cry babies there as well.

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Maybe...but there aren't any skilled fighters like Toney, Hopkins, Wright, Mayweather, & the likes...just a lot more blood & rednecks. ;D

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I love boxing, hence the reason I'm here, but if you're saying that MMA isn't offering up skilled fighters you're insane. Maybe rednecks relate, or more apporopriatley more "common people" relate because fights actually get made. Wladerlei Silva and Matt Hughes have as much talent as any fighter fighter on this earth, in any combat sport.


Again, I love boxing. It's still my main sport, but the soap opera drama that's involved after every fight wears on me. Hell, two major fights happened this weekend, and people are crying foul over both of them.