prime tyson vs prime lewis

Well they all landed their best punches on him and Lewis went onto win . When some fighters are hurt , they cant comeback . . . . . like Tyson

he got hurt vs Bruno and Rudduck and he won those fights

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Originally Posted by Lyle

he got hurt vs Bruno and Rudduck and he won those fights

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bruno only hurt him once ruddock was good victory though he had tyson hurt alot

I always thought Tyson-Mercer in the mid 90's would have been a GREAT fight

Has any heavyweight gone through their career without being hurt? Is it possible to get by 250 pounds guys and not get hurt ?

yes lyle mercer vs tyson would of been great mercer has great chin would of been tough nights work for tyson thats for sure

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Has any heavyweight gone through their career without being hurt? Is it possible to get by 250 pounds guys and not get hurt ?

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Well yeah guys get hurt but they don't always lose....that's kind of the definition of HEART. The desire someone has to win vs the ammount of pain they are willing to take....Tyson was never much on heart whereas Joe Frazier and Muhamed Ali had GREAT heart

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Originally Posted by eugepang

Young or old, Lewis wins. Tyson even admitted it, after getting beat by Lewis, when they fought as kids. Lewis was always bigger and stronger. Only way Tyson would ever beat Lewis would be by a lucky punch on his glass chin, but I doubt it he would be able to land it, similar to Tua.

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That's bull****,Tyson never admitted that,I read an interview with either Steve Lott or Teddy Atlas (cant remember which one)and they were asked that very question and they said when Lewis was up at the Catskills for a couple of weeks sparring with Mike in the 80's Tyson ALWAYS had the better of Lewis,some days lesser than others but he stated that Lewis never had the betterof Tyson,granted at the time Tyson was closer to his pro debut but there you go!

Lewis messed Tyson up then too

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Originally Posted by miles

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Originally Posted by eugepang

Young or old, Lewis wins. Tyson even admitted it, after getting beat by Lewis, when they fought as kids. Lewis was always bigger and stronger. Only way Tyson would ever beat Lewis would be by a lucky punch on his glass chin, but I doubt it he would be able to land it, similar to Tua.

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Prime Tyson is not comparable with David Tua IMO....very different types of boxer....

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If you compare their fights with Lewis, they have similar boxing styles, size and strength, and short reach. Both of them couldn't land on Lennox's face.

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But prime Tyson never faced Lennox Lewis and prime Tyson had a different style to the style Lewis faced...

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Lewis messed Tyson up then too

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did u even read what I just posted???

Yes but that was disputed by Lewis' trainer and as I hear it Tyson dominated early and Lewis came on strong to dominate later days of sparring because he figured out Tyson's style.

Lewis's trainer at the time was the same as Tyson...Cus D'amato for them two weeks he was there,I'v heard it from the horses mouth so to speak,I know what I'm saying,like I said Tyson had the better of every sparring session,some sessions he maybe was'nt as dominant as others but it was either Steve Lott or Teddy Atlas who definetly said Tyson always had the better of Lewis in every sparring session.

P.S. Now that I remember I'm 95%it was Steve Lott who said that.It was from an interview he gave to TysonTalk.com .Infact it was my question he answered,the administrator(however u spell it) of TysonTalk.com announced he was due to interview Steve Lott............. for the website a few months back and invited people to send in questions,the point is this is how I know.You should check out the site yourself,it might still have the interview
Sorry man,I aint trying to start up an argument,just trying to set things straight u know,
Peace

23 pages of this? Wow! Anyway, I would take a prime Lewis over prime Tyson. LL was/is just to big and fast for Mike. Would have KILLED to see this fight when it should have happened.

Ha Ha,I got the guy wrong along,it was Tom Patti,not Steve Lott or Teddy Atlas,
however I dug up the link to that interview,here it is http://tysontalk.com/article-564-thread-0-0.html
P.S.Lyle my question is under the name "muzzo",in fact I asked him two questions,enjoy!

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Originally Posted by Muzzo

Lewis's trainer at the time was the same as Tyson...Cus D'amato for them two weeks he was there,I'v heard it from the horses mouth so to speak,I know what I'm saying,like I said Tyson had the better of every sparring session,some sessions he maybe was'nt as dominant as others but it was either Steve Lott or Teddy Atlas who definetly said Tyson always had the better of Lewis in every sparring session.

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Oh I must be mistaken then because I read of Lennox's 1 and only Amateur coach

http://espn.go.com/boxing/news/2002/1009/1443732.html


Also might I say #1 that's TYSONTALK, it's a pro Tyson website....#2 FSN Behind The Glory Mike Tyson covered the amateur sparring story and debunked this "Tyson dominated" myth

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Originally Posted by Muzzo

Lewis's trainer at the time was the same as Tyson...Cus D'amato for them two weeks he was there,I'v heard it from the horses mouth so to speak,I know what I'm saying,like I said Tyson had the better of every sparring session,some sessions he maybe was'nt as dominant as others but it was either Steve Lott or Teddy Atlas who definetly said Tyson always had the better of Lewis in every sparring session.

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Oh I must be mistaken then because I read of Lennox's 1 and only Amateur coach

http://espn.go.com/boxing/news/2002/1009/1443732.html


Also might I say #1 that's TYSONTALK, it's a pro Tyson website....#2 FSN Behind The Glory Mike Tyson covered the amateur sparring story and debunked this "Tyson dominated" myth

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Man,I hate to drag this on but I think ur confused judging from that link you posted,about lewis's trainer at the time,what I meant was that when Lewis was at the Catskills for two weeks it was Cus D'amato who looked after him aswell as others for them two weeks,plus judging from that I think you think I'm trying to say Lewis never had the better of Tyson professional wise,man I know all the Tyson/Lewis pro fight from 2002,lol,i'm not talking about that,I'm talking about when they sparred as amatuers.You know what I'm saying??

I know what you are talking about...Lennox Lewis came down FROM CANADA to New York with his trainer as he was mighty young at the time.

Cus NEVER trained Lewis, maybe gave him some pointers but never trained him....look at his style dude

this thread still going on???? Can someone just make a poll please lol and we will do it that way!

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Originally Posted by eugepang

Young or old, Lewis wins. Tyson even admitted it, after getting beat by Lewis, when they fought as kids. Lewis was always bigger and stronger. Only way Tyson would ever beat Lewis would be by a lucky punch on his glass chin, but I doubt it he would be able to land it, similar to Tua.

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That's bull****,Tyson never admitted that,I read an interview with either Steve Lott or Teddy Atlas (cant remember which one)and they were asked that very question and they said when Lewis was up at the Catskills for a couple of weeks sparring with Mike in the 80's Tyson ALWAYS had the better of Lewis,some days lesser than others but he stated that Lewis never had the betterof Tyson,granted at the time Tyson was closer to his pro debut but there you go!

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Actually what I read was that Tyson for the first sessions beat the crap out of Lewis, but Lewis kept coming back. Lewis started to figure Tyson out and started to do well against him. This was what Cus D'Amato quoted and later said that the two boxer will meet for the heavyweight title some day.

I always believed that any who uses a good jab against Tyson can beat him.

Thats why i go with Lewis beating a prime Tyson.

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Originally Posted by lb4lb

Actually what I read was that Tyson for the first sessions beat the crap out of Lewis, but Lewis kept coming back. Lewis started to figure Tyson out and started to do well against him. This was what Cus D'Amato quoted and later said that the two boxer will meet for the heavyweight title some day.

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You get a cool click for that!

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Originally Posted by IronDanLaw

I always believed that any who uses a good jab against Tyson can beat him.

Thats why i go with Lewis beating a prime Tyson.

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IMO no jab could keep Prime Tyson off you.
No jab.
That isn't an insult to Lennox.
Just an observation that a flicking straight arm loses to the onslaught of power hooks & uppercuts that came from Prime Mike.

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Originally Posted by brad4dboxer

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Originally Posted by IronDanLaw

I always believed that any who uses a good jab against Tyson can beat him.

Thats why i go with Lewis beating a prime Tyson.

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IMO no jab could keep Prime Tyson off you.
No jab.
That isn't an insult to Lennox.
Just an observation that a flicking straight arm loses to the onslaught of power hooks & uppercuts that came from Prime Mike.

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:coolclick: Bang on key brother!

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Originally Posted by brad4dboxer

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Originally Posted by IronDanLaw

I always believed that any who uses a good jab against Tyson can beat him.

Thats why i go with Lewis beating a prime Tyson.

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IMO no jab could keep Prime Tyson off you.
No jab.
That isn't an insult to Lennox.
Just an observation that a flicking straight arm loses to the onslaught of power hooks & uppercuts that came from Prime Mike.

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who did tyson fight with excellent jab for u to say that ??

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Originally Posted by brad4dboxer

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Originally Posted by IronDanLaw

I always believed that any who uses a good jab against Tyson can beat him.

Thats why i go with Lewis beating a prime Tyson.

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IMO no jab could keep Prime Tyson off you.
No jab.
That isn't an insult to Lennox.
Just an observation that a flicking straight arm loses to the onslaught of power hooks & uppercuts that came from Prime Mike.

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who did tyson fight with excellent jab for u to say that ??

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Pinkon Thomas ;)

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I always believed that any who uses a good jab against Tyson can beat him.

Thats why i go with Lewis beating a prime Tyson.

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IMO no jab could keep Prime Tyson off you.
No jab.
That isn't an insult to Lennox.
Just an observation that a flicking straight arm loses to the onslaught of power hooks & uppercuts that came from Prime Mike.

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who did tyson fight with excellent jab for u to say that ??

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Pinkon Thomas ;)

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yea but his jab isnt exactly a joe louis or larry holmes or lennox lewis or muhammad ali jab 8)

I think they fight to a draw.

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Originally Posted by IronDanLaw

I always believed that any who uses a good jab against Tyson can beat him.

Thats why i go with Lewis beating a prime Tyson.

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IMO no jab could keep Prime Tyson off you.
No jab.
That isn't an insult to Lennox.
Just an observation that a flicking straight arm loses to the onslaught of power hooks & uppercuts that came from Prime Mike.

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who did tyson fight with excellent jab for u to say that ??

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Seldon had one of the best jabs I've ever seen.
Not that he had a chance to use it against Mike tho... :)

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Originally Posted by IronDanLaw

I always believed that any who uses a good jab against Tyson can beat him.

Thats why i go with Lewis beating a prime Tyson.

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IMO no jab could keep Prime Tyson off you.
No jab.
That isn't an insult to Lennox.
Just an observation that a flicking straight arm loses to the onslaught of power hooks & uppercuts that came from Prime Mike.

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who did tyson fight with excellent jab for u to say that ??

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Seldon had one of the best jabs I've ever seen.
Not that he had a chance to use it against Mike tho... :)

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Why has this topic been brought up after all this time ?? Seldon did not have great jab plus he took a dive.

Holmes had a great Jab Tyson knock him cold ;) ;D

Im not even going to bother no more Holmes was past it i don't know how many times i have to say it his jab had no snap to it like prime Holmes.

I was just playing ICE these Tyson vs Lewis topics have run there course

Tyson would win this one in about 3.. Although the right hand of Lennox could be a problem. Big time.

dang this topics old :o
great jab, mhh how bout tucker, 6ft 4 vs tyson 5ft 11 and mike out jabs him

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Originally Posted by Troy McClure

dang this topics old :o
great jab, mhh how bout tucker, 6ft 4 vs tyson 5ft 11 and mike out jabs him

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No he didn't he just beat him up after round 4 he didn't outjab him Tucker stopped throwing punches after 4th round he went into defensive shell.

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Originally Posted by Troy McClure

dang this topics old :o
great jab, mhh how bout tucker, 6ft 4 vs tyson 5ft 11 and mike out jabs him

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No he didn't he just beat him up after round 4 he didn't outjab him Tucker stopped throwing punches after 4th round he went into defensive shell.

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nah man watch the fight agian, tyson was out jabbing tucker and tucker didnt go into a devensive shell, he made a fight of it.
i love that fight ,very entertaining

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Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

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Originally Posted by Troy McClure

dang this topics old :o
great jab, mhh how bout tucker, 6ft 4 vs tyson 5ft 11 and mike out jabs him

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No he didn't he just beat him up after round 4 he didn't outjab him Tucker stopped throwing punches after 4th round he went into defensive shell.

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nah man watch the fight agian, tyson was out jabbing tucker and tucker didnt go into a devensive shell, he made a fight of it.
i love that fight ,very entertaining

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Troy, I think I agree with Ice on this. no disrespect but Tony landed a nice uppercut in I think round one, and then Tyson slowed down a little. It sort of changed the tenor of the fight so Tyson was not as aggressive and Tony could survive the fight. I think only in round 12 did Tony sort of pore it on.. But Mike being a little rocked sort of made it so Tony could just lean on Mike and go into that shell.. Had he not hurt Mike with that uppercut I doubt Tony would have survived more than 4 or 5 rounds.

These prime Tyson vs prime Lewis topics just run and run don't they but no way does Lewis beat a prime Tyson most of the heavyweight greats would struggle with Tyson in his prime.