Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
I'm so pissed right now i don't even know what to say. >:mad
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Boxing can make you old overnight, and that's what happened to Toney. He had nothing. I scored it 119-108. 11 rounds to 1 for Peter, with a two-point round in the 2nd because of the knockdown, which was caused by a jab surprisingly enough. The only round I gave to Toney was the 3rd.
I had Toney winning the first fight 8 rounds to 4, but he did none of the things last night that he did in the first fight. Toney's days as a serious contender are over IMO and he should call it a career, because it's been a very good, maybe great, career. I'm sure he'll keep fighting though.
I did get a laugh out of Toney claiming that he won and it was a bad decision. Way to lose gracefully.
If you thought Toney won a clear victory last time out a mere 3 months ago I really can't see why you think his days as a serious contender are now over?
If the last few years have shown us anything, it's that the heavyweight division is in such a poor state right now that a fighter only needs to win one fight to put themselves right back in contention.
Just look at the the list of bums, a la Briggs, Maskaev, Harrison, Guinn, McCline, etc.
All Toney needs to do is beat one fighter and he's back in the mix.
He'll still have plenty of options, a rematch with Holyfield, a rematch with Jones Jr, a big showdown with Hopkins or Tarver, a fight against a tough contender liker Chagaev, Lyakhovich, Brewster etc.
It wouldn't suprise me at all if he fought another title eliminator by the end the end of the year.
Toney is still one of the biggest draws in boxing.
Personally I can't see him ever volountarily retiring. He'll be like Roberto Duran still fighting when he's 50 and only a car crash type incident will make him quit.
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
But the thing is...you have to recognize the fact that that is all a part of a vicious circle that the fans started also.
If a fighter has one bad night...he's out...& if a fighter has one good night...he's back in. It's not just the said state bu also...it's the state of us as fans.
Peter took a lot of harsh criticism & him being only a prospect to start. That's just wrong. Peter was just coming up & lost (& not too badly I might add) against Wlad (top man) & he was written off as a worthless puncher & that it was time to hunt a new saviour.
That's just shit.
He beat Toney the first time...& he did...& he beat him the second.
I haven't read all the other sites this morning...but you can rest assured that Toney is now being called old & that is how Peter was able to box against him last night.
Again...horse shit. Peter has improved & if he continues to do so...he will be hell...either way...as I have always said...I like Peter & he deserves much more credit than he deserves all the flack.
Good for you Peter.
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by bilbo
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Originally Posted by SweetPea
Boxing can make you old overnight, and that's what happened to Toney. He had nothing. I scored it 119-108. 11 rounds to 1 for Peter, with a two-point round in the 2nd because of the knockdown, which was caused by a jab surprisingly enough. The only round I gave to Toney was the 3rd.
I had Toney winning the first fight 8 rounds to 4, but he did none of the things last night that he did in the first fight. Toney's days as a serious contender are over IMO and he should call it a career, because it's been a very good, maybe great, career. I'm sure he'll keep fighting though.
I did get a laugh out of Toney claiming that he won and it was a bad decision. Way to lose gracefully.
If you thought Toney won a clear victory last time out a mere 3 months ago I really can't see why you think his days as a serious contender are now over?
If the last few years have shown us anything, it's that the heavyweight division is in such a poor state right now that a fighter only needs to win one fight to put themselves right back in contention.
Just look at the the list of bums, a la Briggs, Maskaev, Harrison, Guinn, McCline, etc.
All Toney needs to do is beat one fighter and he's back in the mix.
He'll still have plenty of options, a rematch with Holyfield, a rematch with Jones Jr, a big showdown with Hopkins or Tarver, a fight against a tough contender liker Chagaev, Lyakhovich, Brewster etc.
It wouldn't suprise me at all if he fought another title eliminator by the end the end of the year.
Toney is still one of the biggest draws in boxing.
Personally I can't see him ever volountarily retiring. He'll be like Roberto Duran still fighting when he's 50 and only a car crash type incident will make him quit.
Like you Bilbo, I am a huge Toney fan (okay not as big as him, but....) his punch output is slipping, he is getting hit heavily. I watched the Holy: Toney fight again tonight to remind myself of what it was I enjoyed about Toney. Most of that was missing from this fight. He wasnt evasive, he was too heavy again, and the extra muscle gave no signs of extra power....
He was actually dominated in this fight. Peter learned and Toney didnt and at this stage that is very dangerous for Toney.
Im a Toney fan but I realise at this stage that the belly is just sheer ludicrousy!!
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by amat
wacko!!!!!!!!!!!! second time reading dtrunk:D You speak my languade :D I AM SO PROUD RIGHT NOW. And Wacko you predicted a TKO dso you';re cool by me dog ANMY TIME dude. You ever in Cakli I HAVE to meet you. Your round my rounds are a lifesaqver4 from rpretty girls who dont have showtime.
Hey babe...fwock what your friends say...we all loves ya here!
The fight was nice. Glad that the DRBR can be at your service...it will always be here...as long as I have fingers to type with.
Anywho, Peter hurt Toney in Round 1 with that big ass right & I knew it was pretty much it. THen when Peter dropped him in the second...I knew my guy meant biz.
It was beautiful.
:coolclick: babe.
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
I'm not gonna make excuses peter won and i honestly believe that toney is done. Now i guess i gotta root for peter to take over the division :-\
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I'm not gonna make excuses peter won and i honestly believe that toney is done. Now i guess i gotta root for peter to take over the division :-\
You know...I think we already got our king of the heavies...he's just yet to put on the crown & sit in the throne...& that's Wlad, like it or not.
Thing about Peter...I want him to run the division...but he still needs improvement. I'm glad that he dispatched Toney...but as I have said in the past...Toney has done nothing at 200+ to impress me.
Peter could cross paths with Brewster in 2 months & Peter could be singing Nigerian bedtime stories under the lightbulbs of the Garden...one never knows.
Peter needs a GOOD TRAINER!!!! I can not pray for this enough.
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by bilbo
If you thought Toney won a clear victory last time out a mere 3 months ago I really can't see why you think his days as a serious contender are now over?
If the last few years have shown us anything, it's that the heavyweight division is in such a poor state right now that a fighter only needs to win one fight to put themselves right back in contention.
Just look at the the list of bums, a la Briggs, Maskaev, Harrison, Guinn, McCline, etc.
All Toney needs to do is beat one fighter and he's back in the mix.
Being a contender IMO is someone who has a legit shot to beat the champ. Right now the champ is Kiltschko, I don't care how many people hold random belts, Klitschko is the guy. At his advanced age, I don't think Toney can handle someone of Klitscko's size and modest skills. Klitschko's achilles heel is his chin, but Toney is not a dangerous puncher at this age and weight. He landed the hardest right hands he could throw flush on Peter's chin, and Peter didn't even flinch. Now Wlad has a weaker chin than Peter, but Toney will not be able to seriously hurt him.
Toney is a natural light heavy or cruiserweight who also has small hands. He needs to outbox people and at this age I can't see him outworking Wlad over 12 rounds. Generally the most glaring example of a fighter getting old is a huge decrease in activity. Old fighters just can't put up big punch outputs. Toney threw very few punches last night.
Also, as we saw in plain view last night, Peter has clearly surpassed Toney. If Toney can't beat Wlad or Peter, then he's not a serious threat to anyone. Just because he could hang with Briggs or Maskaev or Guinn doesn't mean anything.
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I'm not gonna make excuses peter won and i honestly believe that toney is done. Now i guess i gotta root for peter to take over the division :-\
You know...I think we already got our king of the heavies...he's just yet to put on the crown & sit in the throne...& that's Wlad, like it or not.
Thing about Peter...I want him to run the division...but he still needs improvement. I'm glad that he dispatched Toney...but as I have said in the past...Toney has done nothing at 200+ to impress me.
Peter could cross paths with Brewster in 2 months & Peter could be singing Nigerian bedtime stories under the lightbulbs of the Garden...one never knows.
Peter needs a GOOD TRAINER!!!! I can not pray for this enough.
I just can't accept wlad as a potentially undisputed champion of the division. I'l agree he's the best out there but that in itself is a travisty.
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I'm not gonna make excuses peter won and i honestly believe that toney is done. Now i guess i gotta root for peter to take over the division :-\
You know...I think we already got our king of the heavies...he's just yet to put on the crown & sit in the throne...& that's Wlad, like it or not.
Thing about Peter...I want him to run the division...but he still needs improvement. I'm glad that he dispatched Toney...but as I have said in the past...Toney has done nothing at 200+ to impress me.
Peter could cross paths with Brewster in 2 months & Peter could be singing Nigerian bedtime stories under the lightbulbs of the Garden...one never knows.
Peter needs a GOOD TRAINER!!!! I can not pray for this enough.
I just can't accept wlad as a potentially undisputed champion of the division. I'l agree he's the best out there but that in itself is a travisty.
Why? Because he's got 3 losses out of 50 fights? He's been knocked out only once legitimately? I just don't understand. I mean...he's knocked out 42 men & he keeps on cracking...again...just curious.
Your'e entitled to your opinion...I'm just not on the same page, & I want to as to why?
Not being a smart ass...just want to know.
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I'm not gonna make excuses peter won and i honestly believe that toney is done. Now i guess i gotta root for peter to take over the division :-\
You know...I think we already got our king of the heavies...he's just yet to put on the crown & sit in the throne...& that's Wlad, like it or not.
Thing about Peter...I want him to run the division...but he still needs improvement. I'm glad that he dispatched Toney...but as I have said in the past...Toney has done nothing at 200+ to impress me.
Peter could cross paths with Brewster in 2 months & Peter could be singing Nigerian bedtime stories under the lightbulbs of the Garden...one never knows.
Peter needs a GOOD TRAINER!!!! I can not pray for this enough.
I just can't accept wlad as a potentially undisputed champion of the division. I'l agree he's the best out there but that in itself is a travisty.
Why is it so hard for you to give Wladimir respect?He has the most skills of the heavyweights, puts punches together,has huge power and is a modest human being.What is not to like? ???
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by Klitschkofan
Why is it so hard for you to give Wladimir respect?He has the most skills of the heavyweights, puts punches together,has huge power and is a modest human being.What is not to like? ???
For some reason, a lot of people here hate to give Klitschko any credit, because he's not the second coming of Mike Tyson, who supposedly would've been the greatest boxer in the history of human civilization if his trainer had magically lived to the age of 90 instead of croaking at 77. :laugh:
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I'm not gonna make excuses peter won and i honestly believe that toney is done. Now i guess i gotta root for peter to take over the division :-\
You know...I think we already got our king of the heavies...he's just yet to put on the crown & sit in the throne...& that's Wlad, like it or not.
Thing about Peter...I want him to run the division...but he still needs improvement. I'm glad that he dispatched Toney...but as I have said in the past...Toney has done nothing at 200+ to impress me.
Peter could cross paths with Brewster in 2 months & Peter could be singing Nigerian bedtime stories under the lightbulbs of the Garden...one never knows.
Peter needs a GOOD TRAINER!!!! I can not pray for this enough.
I just can't accept wlad as a potentially undisputed champion of the division. I'l agree he's the best out there but that in itself is a travisty.
Why? Because he's got 3 losses out of 50 fights? He's been knocked out only once legitimately? I just don't understand. I mean...he's knocked out 42 men & he keeps on cracking...again...just curious.
Your'e entitled to your opinion...I'm just not on the same page, & I want to as to why?
Not being a smart a**...just want to know.
(If you don't wanna read this bs scroll down to the bottom for a quick summary)
I'll try to make this understandable (not logical because i have never nor will ever claim to think like a rational human being) and remember this is just my opinion (the patriots were the "best" team in football for a while and i dispised them too although atleast wlad didn't have a new rule invented for him to win a title). I believe vitali was a far superior boxer to his younger brother. He was easily the best fighter in the division once lewis retired. Having wlad fill that void imo lowers the standards for an undisputed champ.
I said he was the best heavyweight in the division but there were others that left alittle bit before his rise to the top that were way better than him. He has a great record against probably the best that was available to him but honestly i don't really know why i'm just not sold on him being an undisputed champ just yet. Again i say he is the best fighter in the division (and under most circumstances it would make sense for people to support him being the ring belt holder). Who can beat him in the top 20? Some would have a slight chance while most would be absolutely destroyed. I just don't like the fact of him being potentially known as one of the ring belt holders.
Summary: The sky is blue because thats what color in the spectrum shows up when light reflects off of the earth (or the atmosphere one of those two). I dunno sometimes you can't really explain something that's just how it is.
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I'm not gonna make excuses peter won and i honestly believe that toney is done. Now i guess i gotta root for peter to take over the division :-\
You know...I think we already got our king of the heavies...he's just yet to put on the crown & sit in the throne...& that's Wlad, like it or not.
Thing about Peter...I want him to run the division...but he still needs improvement. I'm glad that he dispatched Toney...but as I have said in the past...Toney has done nothing at 200+ to impress me.
Peter could cross paths with Brewster in 2 months & Peter could be singing Nigerian bedtime stories under the lightbulbs of the Garden...one never knows.
Peter needs a GOOD TRAINER!!!! I can not pray for this enough.
I just can't accept wlad as a potentially undisputed champion of the division. I'l agree he's the best out there but that in itself is a travisty.
Why? Because he's got 3 losses out of 50 fights? He's been knocked out only once legitimately? I just don't understand. I mean...he's knocked out 42 men & he keeps on cracking...again...just curious.
Your'e entitled to your opinion...I'm just not on the same page, & I want to as to why?
Not being a smart a**...just want to know.
(If you don't wanna read this bs scroll down to the bottom for a quick summary)
I'll try to make this understandable (not logical because i have never nor will ever claim to think like a rational human being) and remember this is just my opinion (the patriots were the "best" team in football for a while and i dispised them too although atleast wlad didn't have a new rule invented for him to win a title). I believe vitali was a far superior boxer to his younger brother. He was easily the best fighter in the division once lewis retired. Having wlad fill that void imo lowers the standards for an undisputed champ.
I said he was the best heavyweight in the division but there were others that left alittle bit before his rise to the top that were way better than him. He has a great record against probably the best that was available to him but honestly i don't really know why i'm just not sold on him being an undisputed champ just yet. Again i say he is the best fighter in the division (and under most circumstances it would make sense for people to support him being the ring belt holder). Who can beat him in the top 20? Some would have a slight chance while most would be absolutely destroyed. I just don't like the fact of him being potentially known as one of the ring belt holders.
Summary: The sky is blue because thats what color in the spectrum shows up when light reflects off of the earth (or the atmosphere one of those two). I dunno sometimes you can't really explain something that's just how it is.
Maybe it would be easier to just say "I aint a fan of the man."?
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I'm not gonna make excuses peter won and i honestly believe that toney is done. Now i guess i gotta root for peter to take over the division :-\
You know...I think we already got our king of the heavies...he's just yet to put on the crown & sit in the throne...& that's Wlad, like it or not.
Thing about Peter...I want him to run the division...but he still needs improvement. I'm glad that he dispatched Toney...but as I have said in the past...Toney has done nothing at 200+ to impress me.
Peter could cross paths with Brewster in 2 months & Peter could be singing Nigerian bedtime stories under the lightbulbs of the Garden...one never knows.
Peter needs a GOOD TRAINER!!!! I can not pray for this enough.
I just can't accept wlad as a potentially undisputed champion of the division. I'l agree he's the best out there but that in itself is a travisty.
Why? Because he's got 3 losses out of 50 fights? He's been knocked out only once legitimately? I just don't understand. I mean...he's knocked out 42 men & he keeps on cracking...again...just curious.
Your'e entitled to your opinion...I'm just not on the same page, & I want to as to why?
Not being a smart a**...just want to know.
(If you don't wanna read this bs scroll down to the bottom for a quick summary)
I'll try to make this understandable (not logical because i have never nor will ever claim to think like a rational human being) and remember this is just my opinion (the patriots were the "best" team in football for a while and i dispised them too although atleast wlad didn't have a new rule invented for him to win a title). I believe vitali was a far superior boxer to his younger brother. He was easily the best fighter in the division once lewis retired. Having wlad fill that void imo lowers the standards for an undisputed champ.
I said he was the best heavyweight in the division but there were others that left alittle bit before his rise to the top that were way better than him. He has a great record against probably the best that was available to him but honestly i don't really know why i'm just not sold on him being an undisputed champ just yet. Again i say he is the best fighter in the division (and under most circumstances it would make sense for people to support him being the ring belt holder). Who can beat him in the top 20? Some would have a slight chance while most would be absolutely destroyed. I just don't like the fact of him being potentially known as one of the ring belt holders.
Summary: The sky is blue because thats what color in the spectrum shows up when light reflects off of the earth (or the atmosphere one of those two). I dunno sometimes you can't really explain something that's just how it is.
Maybe it would be easier to just say "I aint a fan of the man."?
I didn't think that that would've been an acceptable answer ??? lol
Re: It's just another one of Wacko's Drunken Round by Rounds Toney vs Peter II
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Originally Posted by Punisher136
I didn't think that that would've been an acceptable answer ??? lol
It aint...but the troooooooof shall setchu free!!!! ;D
