Pacquiao vs. Mosley - Fight Night talk!

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Knocking Shane down is a big deal its only the 2nd time in his career he's been down.<br />
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Does anyone think Pac lightened up on Shane to make a Floyd fight more likely? I don't know, I didn't watch the fight.

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Forrest did it 2x. No I watched the fight. PAC is slipping for sure. He is there to be countered and hit Mosely didn't want to try or fight. Seriously after seeing this and the Margarito fight. I'm certain Floyd would eat him up. PBF jab is superior and wouldn't abandon it and would capitalize on the openings presents more than ever. He would also bully and torment PAC on the inside.. Floyd would mix ranges and make it real messy up close.. Floyd presents to many problems for PAC. After Pac's last few fights, the thought that PAC is just going to run in their and roll PBF over with speed and power is plain foolish. PAC has been slipping and has gaping holes. I saw barely an angle or that great unorthodox footwork that gives him those special effect type punches he is famous for. If a 39 year old Carl Lewis of a Mosely can stunt his footwork, than PBF will torture him technically

after the fight in the interview he was asked if the new shoes made him uncomfortable or gave him troubles. pac said his leg was cramping up thats why he performed differently. im not saying thats the only reason but i also think that pac is weary of shanes counter punch. i think thats the major reason why pac fought like that.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Knocking Shane down is a big deal its only the 2nd time in his career he's been down.

Does anyone think Pac lightened up on Shane to make a Floyd fight more likely? I don't know, I didn't watch the fight.

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I agree. Manny knocked Shane down. Shane nearly knocked Floyd down.
Think Manny-Floyd goes same route as Manny-Shane fight.
1st round: feeling out round.
2nd round: Manny knocks Floyd down just as Shane almost did.
From then on, Floyd's behind a couple of rounds, he starts losing rounds as Manny's throwing, while Floyd's avoiding being hit. At some point, Floyd says, "Screw the 0, I don't wanna get knocked out" and it's all over.
It's a moot point, though.
Floyd Mayweather will never fight Manny Pacquiao. He's too scared. Shane Mosley called it. He'd never seen that much power and speed. And that's including Floyd's speed.

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Originally Posted by mnmc10

after the fight in the interview he was asked if the new shoes made him uncomfortable or gave him troubles. pac said his leg was cramping up thats why he performed differently. im not saying thats the only reason but i also think that pac is weary of shanes counter punch. i think thats the major reason why pac fought like that.

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it's not another sockgate is it?

A couple points/observations about the fight came Pac's future opponents. After the knockdown and the look on Shane's face, it was over. He was just trying not to get knocked out. Mosley is shot, plain and simple. As far as Manny not looking great, it was kinda tough too look great with his style against a guy that was just in there to survive. Now the top fight for Pac is obviously Mayweather, it just won't happen though. So let's look at future opponents... I believe in Pacquiao's agreement with Top Rank there's a minimum amount he has to make for a fight. I think for that big reason is why we'll see him with big names not necessarily the best opponents. The next fight will probably be Marquez. 144 is being thrown around, too high of a weight for Marquez. Manny will get the knockout this time and look good doing it. Then we'll probably have a Cotto rematch because he's the "biggest" name out there. The angle would be Cotto has a real trainer now, Cotto will never be the same after the Margarito fight. Personally I'd like to see him against Ortiz. But we have the whole Golden Boy issue. Hopefully that issue can be solved. For the record there I personally can't stand Golden Boy. Their stealing of fighters has just gotten old, try to develop some talent. Hell, they even stole Ortiz with that bankruptcy nonsense.

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Originally Posted by El Kabong

Knocking Shane down is a big deal its only the 2nd time in his career he's been down.<br />
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Does anyone think Pac lightened up on Shane to make a Floyd fight more likely? I don't know, I didn't watch the fight.

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Forrest did it 2x. No I watched the fight. PAC is slipping for sure. He is there to be countered and hit Mosely didn't want to try or fight. Seriously after seeing this and the Margarito fight. I'm certain Floyd would eat him up. PBF jab is superior and wouldn't abandon it and would capitalize on the openings presents more than ever. He would also bully and torment PAC on the inside.. Floyd would mix ranges and make it real messy up close.. Floyd presents to many problems for PAC. After Pac's last few fights, the thought that PAC is just going to run in their and roll PBF over with speed and power is plain foolish. PAC has been slipping and has gaping holes. I saw barely an angle or that great unorthodox footwork that gives him those special effect type punches he is famous for. If a 39 year old Carl Lewis of a Mosely can stunt his footwork, than PBF will torture him technically

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actually i don't think it is so much Pac slipping as what 24/7 and 360 have been showing us all along...Manny is having too many outside distractions during training camp!!! The celeberty thing and the politics mixed in are just becoming more and more...almost impossible to get a proper camp...I mean they almost blantanly say his real camp begins when he arrives in the States...I don't casre who you are or how good you are a fighter can not face the upper tier on half hearted training camps....

IF a bout between him and Floyd ever does take place hopefully we see him do a FULL camp with no outsider distractions so we get the best fight out of each so the answer is legit on who really is the best.....At this point though both men will be surpassed as the best P4P by another fighter because one trains half assed the other fights on leap years only :-X

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I gave Shane too much credit, maybe because I didnt watch the Mora fight, but this was as bad if not worse than his Mayweather outing, just cant pull that trigger. Hate to say it but you can put a fork in him, he's done. I think this kind of helped Pac's case as far as who would win between him and Mayweather. Mayweather never really hurt Shane as bad as Pac did, and got out boxed just as bad. If Pac gets Floyd in trouble like Shane did, I have no doubt he would finish the job off.

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even Shane admitted he has not felt power like that for a long time. Considering PAC was not 100% tonight, now I really want to see PBF vs PAC.

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Floyd HAMMERS the Manny that fought tonight. The question is did Manny have an off night (for whatever reason) or is this the slide Father Time imposes on everyone.

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Hopefully it's not father time. All in all I'm happy PAC was able to drop the bigger Shane and do more damage than PBF did.

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Every post you suck Pac's balls and then name drop Floyd...wow what a Pactard. Glad your the only one who thinks Manny knocking down shane is a huge accomplishment because Floyd didn't LOL Do you want to have Floyd and Pac line up and measure talley whackers too lol

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You have issues man....But hey don't let me get on your bad side last thing I want is problems with the Mafia:-\

My guess with this fight is that PAC actually undertrained. He wasn't at his normal -5.5% BF, and even though he had Shane trigger shy, he didn't look as explosive as normal. I do fault heavily to Shane who absolutely ruined that fight for me and all the people that paid for it. I don't think that either way PAC/PBF can be judged based on this fight at all, because it's a one off, not a trend if Manny looks more flat in the next fight then he's declining, otherwise it was an off night (over/under trained, cramps, whatever). What can be said for sure is that Mosley has been declining for some time now and although his performance was disappointing it wasn't unexpected.

I don't think Pac or his camp really got up for this fight, I mean Roach was in the corner of Abe yesterday as well.

Pacquiao was going for the kill every freaking round. Right hook, jab-jab and power straight left. That's all I saw from him. No under-and-out. No darting in-and-out. It was all in-in-in! Berstein pointed it out right away in early rounds that Pac wasn't making lateral movements. Pac took Mosely's legs after he knocked him down. I knew Mosely was gonna run all night after that. If he gave Mosely a chance to make it a boxing match after the third round, Pac would've gotten a KO win just like the Hatton fight.

Very disappointing fight.

Arce stole the show. What a great win!

I honestly thought to myself that Manny may have carried Shane. It didn't look like he was going after him - he didn't seem to be interested in the KO. It just looked like a glorified sparring session.

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Originally Posted by bcollins

I honestly thought to myself that Manny may have carried Shane. It didn't look like he was going after him - he didn't seem to be interested in the KO. It just looked like a glorified sparring session.

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It really looked like a sparring session with Mosley touching gloves after every round.

AN UNBELIEVABLY HORRIBLE PERFORMANCE BY MOSELY.

i was pissed after seeing mayweather vs mosely, but now im furious.
how can mosely let this go down without even trying???
he didnt throw nothing!!!!
with his amazing record/rep, i figured he would at least go down with guns blazing, WTF was that all defensive bullshit???? that hideous chickenshit performance will haunt him forever....
ill never watch him fight again....

i was once a mosely fan, now im utterly disgusted in him....
what a way to go out...spineless!!!!

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Originally Posted by #1FightFan

AN UNBELIEVABLY HORRIBLE PERFORMANCE BY MOSELY.

i was pissed after seeing mayweather vs mosely, but now im furious.
how can mosely let this go down without even trying???
he didnt throw nothing!!!!
with his amazing record/rep, i figured he would at least go down with guns blazing, WTF was that all defensive bullshit???? that hideous chickenshit performance will haunt him forever....
ill never watch him fight again....

i was once a mosely fan, now im utterly disgusted in him....
what a way to go out...spineless!!!!

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Well that's just sad. Mosley has always been one of the best warriors in boxing, no quit in him. If he couldn't do anything it's a testament to Manny's speed and power and the fact that sadly Shane is not the force he was.

He tried his best, realised he couldnt win and chose to go the distance rather than get knocked out for your viewing pleasure.

But Mosley is a legend of the sport and a very proud man. If he could have won that fight he would have.

no, shane did not try at all. theres a big difference in actually trying and not doing anything at all. no, shane did not try at all at this, or the gayweather fight.
manny wasn't that great saturday and woulda got clocked if he had someone with courage in there. mosely was one of my favorites, thats why im shocked to see him not even try.

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AN UNBELIEVABLY HORRIBLE PERFORMANCE BY MOSELY.

i was pissed after seeing mayweather vs mosely, but now im furious.
how can mosely let this go down without even trying???
he didnt throw nothing!!!!
with his amazing record/rep, i figured he would at least go down with guns blazing, WTF was that all defensive bullshit???? that hideous chickenshit performance will haunt him forever....
ill never watch him fight again....

i was once a mosely fan, now im utterly disgusted in him....
what a way to go out...spineless!!!!

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Well that's just sad. Mosley has always been one of the best warriors in boxing, no quit in him. If he couldn't do anything it's a testament to Manny's speed and power and the fact that sadly Shane is not the force he was.

He tried his best, realised he couldnt win and chose to go the distance rather than get knocked out for your viewing pleasure.

But Mosley is a legend of the sport and a very proud man. If he could have won that fight he would have.

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He tried his best? What fight were you watching? I was starting to wonder if he broke his right hand in the middle rounds, he stepped back to draw Pac into his power shot and didn't pull the trigger, either A. he hurt his hand or B. he was worried about the counter. either way he definitely didn't try his best. He stalled with the high fives which were completely unwarranted to simply survive.

No, Mosley definitely didn't try his best. You don't throw your best punch only seven times in the fight. You don't reduce your typical output by more than half. He threw 700 plus punches against Cotto and showed energy even in losing. Here there was no output, no energy....zilch. It was a sad way to go out.

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Originally Posted by miles

No, Mosley definitely didn't try his best. You don't throw your best punch only seven times in the fight. You don't reduce your typical output by more than half. He threw 700 plus punches against Cotto and showed energy even in losing. Here there was no output, no energy....zilch. It was a sad way to go out.

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so he lied during the post fight interview

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Originally Posted by miles

No, Mosley definitely didn't try his best. You don't throw your best punch only seven times in the fight. You don't reduce your typical output by more than half. He threw 700 plus punches against Cotto and showed energy even in losing. Here there was no output, no energy....zilch. It was a sad way to go out.

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so he lied during the post fight interview

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Well, when have you ever seen Mosley fight like that before? Sure Manny is great, but even David Diaz came to fight. Mosley simply didn't put up a fight and he knows it. He knew he would be gassed if he ever opened up and that Manny would have got him. It makes a mockery of the fight ever being made.

Post fight he was trying to save some face. Cotto and Margarito were far more impressive than this IMO, they tried to win rounds. They failed, but they tried. Mosley threw 5 combinations in this fight and about 7 right hands. That is pretty shocking.

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Originally Posted by miles

Well, when have you ever seen Mosley fight like that before? Sure Manny is great, but even David Diaz came to fight. Mosley simply didn't put up a fight and he knows it. He knew he would be gassed if he ever opened up and that Manny would have got him. It makes a mockery of the fight ever being made.

Post fight he was trying to save some face. Cotto and Margarito were far more impressive than this IMO, they tried to win rounds. They failed, but they tried. Mosley threw 5 combinations in this fight and about 7 right hands. That is pretty shocking.

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Joshua Clottey like Mosley didn't tried to win rounds also. What do you think is the reason for this?

Is it purely about Shane and Clottey? or maybe something else?

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Originally Posted by miles

Well, when have you ever seen Mosley fight like that before? Sure Manny is great, but even David Diaz came to fight. Mosley simply didn't put up a fight and he knows it. He knew he would be gassed if he ever opened up and that Manny would have got him. It makes a mockery of the fight ever being made.

Post fight he was trying to save some face. Cotto and Margarito were far more impressive than this IMO, they tried to win rounds. They failed, but they tried. Mosley threw 5 combinations in this fight and about 7 right hands. That is pretty shocking.

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Joshua Clottey like Mosley didn't tried to win rounds also. What do you think is the reason for this?

Is it purely about Shane and Clottey? or maybe something else?

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They both lost before they entered the ring. Both mentally and in the case of Mosley physically too. They decided to take the money and vanish into the sunset. Clottey hasn't been seen since and Mosley will likely retire too.

The ones who took the fight to him want to continue fighting.

Pacquiao vs. Mosely match finished with Manny's big winning.
Manny 'Pacman' Pacquiao continued his dominance over the boxing world Saturday night, easily outpointing Shane 'Sugar' Mosley and retaining his WBO welterweight championship in a unanimous decision victory. Pacquiao won on scores of 119-108, 120-108, and 120-107, as Mosley retreated and simply couldn’t generate anything offensively.

Great job Pacquiao.

Well if you look at my thread pre fight you would see why Mosley never had a chance in this fight. Shane made $5mil and established a promo company, he was never going to be a force in the fight.

The fight was actaully very entertaining after Mosely's non-KD in the 10th.

Pac then went all-out for the KO and this provided some manufactured drama. It wasn't real drama, like SRL chasing Hearns while behind on all scorcards, but Pac at least had a purpose. Mosley certainly proceeded to Usain Bolt all over the place, but Pac reached him at times.

Pac deserves credit for taking that risk. Moselyu may be old but power is last to go. So that is danger. Frankly, he took risks earlier in the fight. I mean, he alomst KOed Mosely, who has never been stopped and on top of that was runnning since round 1. Thats no small feat. In the last 3 rounds he just picked up the pace.

The tight leg sounds real and explains why Pac looked a littel off. He wasn't as rythmic and appeared to resort back to a straigthforward approach, dropping his more unorthodox angles and movement. But at the end of the day he dominated a HOFer, Kded him, and came close to KOing. Thats a hell of an off-night.

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The fight was actaully very entertaining after Mosely's non-KD in the 10th.

Pac then went all-out for the KO and this provided some manufactured drama. It wasn't real drama, like SRL chasing Hearns while behind on all scorcards, but Pac at least had a purpose. Mosley certainly proceeded to Usain Bolt all over the place, but Pac reached him at times.

Pac deserves credit for taking that risk. Moselyu may be old but power is last to go. So that is danger. Frankly, he took risks earlier in the fight. I mean, he alomst KOed Mosely, who has never been stopped and on top of that was runnning since round 1. Thats no small feat. In the last 3 rounds he just picked up the pace.

The tight leg sounds real and explains why Pac looked a littel off. He wasn't as rythmic and appeared to resort back to a straigthforward approach, dropping his more unorthodox angles and movement. But at the end of the day he dominated a HOFer, Kded him, and came close to KOing. Thats a hell of an off-night.

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The 10th round was also the highlight of the fight for me too.

Pacquiao got so pissed off with the bad KD call... and Mosely knew it was a shitty call too! lmfao.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CupyM14Hfp...255B1%255D.jpg

Man, all of this hating on Mosely is unpleasent to watch. I think many of you are exaggerating. There are other recently past fights where we got to witness much better examples of not trying by fighters who were not already nearly 40 years old.

Let's see... Audley Harrison.... Kevin Johnson... stuff like that.

But in this case, people have said it again and again before this fight regarding Mosley's performance against Mayweather and Mora.
Obviously many of you are just disappointed that Pac did not get the KO/TKO for which you had been hoping.

As for me, I'm perfectly ok with seeing Shane, tossed to the lion, make it out without serious damage in a fight hardly anyone figured he would win anyway.

Against Mayweather, Mosley landed 92 of 452 and against Pacquiao he landed 66 of 330. Quite comparable actually. Horrible showing in both cases. Against Mosley, Mayweather landed 208 of 477 and Pacquiao landed 244 of 727.

Manny Pacquiao vs. Shane Mosley - CompuBox Stats

Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Shane Mosley - CompuBox Punch Stats

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Against Mayweather, Mosley landed 92 of 452 and against Pacquiao he landed 66 of 330. Quite comparable actually. Horrible showing in both cases. Against Mosley, Mayweather landed 208 of 477 and Pacquiao landed 244 of 727.

Manny Pacquiao vs. Shane Mosley - CompuBox Stats

Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Shane Mosley - CompuBox Punch Stats

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Can't beleive Shane was that inactive against Floyd from memory but he was coasting against Manny.

Shane didn't let his hands go against Floyd but he ran in fear from Pacquiao (and as a result he didn't throw either). That was the difference in Shane's performance in the two fights.

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Originally Posted by Rantcatrat

Shane didn't let his hands go against Floyd but he ran in fear from Pacquiao (and as a result he didn't throw either). That was the difference in Shane's performance in the two fights.

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See I think he COULDN'T let them go. Frozen hands, the mark of a shot fighter.

Of course my guess is worth exactly what you paid for it.

Are you guys being serious the man fucking 40 and has not won a fight in fucking 2 years. I mean they made this fight with a shot Mosley and Pac could not put him away. Pac to me seems to be slowing and i think Mayweather might come out of retirement after that shit showing.

I was just watching Mosley against Collazo this afternoon and the difference in the Mosley of today and even then is night and day. Mosley still has his legs, but clearly can't pull that trigger anymore. 5 combinations in a 12 rounder from a guy like Mosley is just a shocker. Against Collazo he still looked fast and the combinations were crisp. He still has his boxing brain, but the body just doesn't respond anymore. Mayweather fought a badly faded Mosley, Pac fought a shot one.

The difference is, Shane was afraid of going down. It's not because he could no longer pull the trigger.

There were moments when Shane would engage Pac and he had no problem pulling the trigger.

The difference my man, is that he was frightened with the thought of going down just as what he had experienced in the 3rd round. Observe his right hand after the 3rd round. He was using it to cover his face all throughout the fight.

Watch the fight again and you would understand what I mean.

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The difference is, Shane was afraid of going down. It's not because he could no longer pull the trigger.

There were moments when Shane would engage Pac and he had no problem pulling the trigger.

The difference my man, is that he was frightened with the thought of going down just as what he had experienced in the 3rd round. Observe his right hand after the 3rd round. He was using it to cover his face all throughout the fight.

Watch the fight again and you would understand what I mean.

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And what was the reason then for Mosely's reduced punches thrown against Mayweather?
Was he afraid of going down?

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The difference is, Shane was afraid of going down. It's not because he could no longer pull the trigger.

There were moments when Shane would engage Pac and he had no problem pulling the trigger.

The difference my man, is that he was frightened with the thought of going down just as what he had experienced in the 3rd round. Observe his right hand after the 3rd round. He was using it to cover his face all throughout the fight.

Watch the fight again and you would understand what I mean.

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And what was the reason then for Mosely's reduced punches thrown against Mayweather?
Was he afraid of going down?

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Different reason for every situation.

Shane would be in the best position to answer your question.

Shane just said that Pac's the greatest so you better ask him how he felt about his fight with Gayweather.;D