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since you had the balls to sort of answer i'll go easy on you. i won't even bother with your eyes or how filtration works. so if you didn't do any research did you just you follow along like a brainless zombie? don't take that wrong. simple question. if you believe the masks work then why the need for social distancing?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
so some do some don't?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
shittier masks don't, better masks do. Right! Now you got it TIC!Quote:
Originally Posted by TICso some do some don't?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
so you wear a better mask?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellshittier masks don't, better masks do. Right! Now you got it TIC!Quote:
Originally Posted by TICso some do some don't?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
remember the torches of freedom campaign targeted at getting woman to smoke? masks are not being referred to as instruments of freedom. hmmm
hell yeahQuote:
Originally Posted by TICso you wear a better mask?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellshittier masks don't, better masks do. Right! Now you got it TIC!Quote:
Originally Posted by TICso some do some don't?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
what type of mask do you use? & there's no need for you to social distance then is there because your better mask works yeh?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellhell yeahQuote:
Originally Posted by TICso you wear a better mask?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellshittier masks don't, better masks do. Right! Now you got it TIC!Quote:
Originally Posted by TICso some do some don't?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
Quote:
Originally Posted by TICsince you had the balls to sort of answer i'll go easy on you. i won't even bother with your eyes or how filtration works. so if you didn't do any research did you just you follow along like a brainless zombie? don't take that wrong. simple question. if you believe the masks work then why the need for social distancing?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Eyes.... gotcha.
Meh..... I don't believe my only two choices are 1) doing research or 2) follow along like a brainless zombie. But feel free to continue believing what you will.
Somewhere in the middle there are educated guesses and common sense.
But be that as it may..... here's the deal, and it may be the source of a lot of misunderstanding (and up to now, contention).
No one is claiming that masks are the cure-all, solve-all panacea that will magically keep you from getting the virus.
Only that, as common sense would dictate to some of us, the use of masks will protect you a bit better from the inadvertent sneeze or cough from the person next to you.... at least when compared to not wearing a mask.
No big deal.... no black magic.... no need for all the contention masks have apparently caused.
Why the need for social distancing if you're wearing a mask?
Simple. Neither is the magic pill for avoiding catching the virus. But together... they decrease your chances of getting infected significantly.
One's a barrier... the other is simply distancing.
then your answer shouldn't be yes. but you had the balls to answer so respect to you. do you believe you can't catch this virus through your eyes? doing no research would mean you are ignorant. don't take that wrong. so why are they forcing & mandating that people wear masks if they are not the cure-all? common sense would suggest a sneeze or cough would not just hone in on a mask but would also reach your eyes. so if neither are the magic pill for avoiding catching the virus then why force masks & social distancing on us? either masks work & there is no need for social distancing or social distancing works & there is no need for masks. you should learn how each type of mask & filtration works. n95. surgical. material. let me ask another question if i may. not just to you but anyone who thinks masks & gloves work. if your mask & are catching & stopping the virus shouldn't there be bio hazard bins everywhere to dispose of these highly contagious items?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICsince you had the balls to sort of answer i'll go easy on you. i won't even bother with your eyes or how filtration works. so if you didn't do any research did you just you follow along like a brainless zombie? don't take that wrong. simple question. if you believe the masks work then why the need for social distancing?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Eyes.... gotcha.
Meh..... I don't believe my only two choices are 1) doing research or 2) follow along like a brainless zombie. But feel free to continue believing what you will.
Somewhere in the middle there are educated guesses and common sense.
But be that as it may..... here's the deal, and it may be the source of a lot of misunderstanding (and up to now, contention).
No one is claiming that masks are the cure-all, solve-all panacea that will magically keep you from getting the virus.
Only that, as common sense would dictate to some of us, the use of masks will protect you a bit better from the inadvertent sneeze or cough from the person next to you.... at least when compared to not wearing a mask.
No big deal.... no black magic.... no need for all the contention masks have apparently caused.
Why the need for social distancing if you're wearing a mask?
Simple. Neither is the magic pill for avoiding catching the virus. But together... they decrease your chances of getting infected significantly.
One's a barrier... the other is simply distancing.
Quote:
Originally Posted by TICthen your answer shouldn't be yes. but you had the balls to answer so respect to you. do you believe you can't catch this virus through your eyes? doing no research would mean you are ignorant. don't take that wrong. so why are they forcing & mandating that people wear masks if they are not the cure-all? common sense would suggest a sneeze or cough would not just hone in on a mask but would also reach your eyes. so if neither are the magic pill for avoiding catching the virus then why force masks & social distancing on us? either masks work & there is no need for social distancing or social distancing works & there is no need for masks. you should learn how each type of mask & filtration works. n95. surgical. material. let me ask another question if i may. not just to you but anyone who thinks masks & gloves work. if your mask & are catching & stopping the virus shouldn't there be bio hazard bins everywhere to dispose of these highly contagious items?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICsince you had the balls to sort of answer i'll go easy on you. i won't even bother with your eyes or how filtration works. so if you didn't do any research did you just you follow along like a brainless zombie? don't take that wrong. simple question. if you believe the masks work then why the need for social distancing?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Eyes.... gotcha.
Meh..... I don't believe my only two choices are 1) doing research or 2) follow along like a brainless zombie. But feel free to continue believing what you will.
Somewhere in the middle there are educated guesses and common sense.
But be that as it may..... here's the deal, and it may be the source of a lot of misunderstanding (and up to now, contention).
No one is claiming that masks are the cure-all, solve-all panacea that will magically keep you from getting the virus.
Only that, as common sense would dictate to some of us, the use of masks will protect you a bit better from the inadvertent sneeze or cough from the person next to you.... at least when compared to not wearing a mask.
No big deal.... no black magic.... no need for all the contention masks have apparently caused.
Why the need for social distancing if you're wearing a mask?
Simple. Neither is the magic pill for avoiding catching the virus. But together... they decrease your chances of getting infected significantly.
One's a barrier... the other is simply distancing.
So "brainless zombie" and "ignorant." Ok... I'll be sure and not take any of those wrong. ;)
Let me correct you on something. Not doing research on something does not make you ignorant. "Research" is a word lightly thrown around by guys such as yourself and I've seen Miles (Gandalf) do it as well. It lessens the work of those who do "real" research to claim that everyone and their brother can do research. Don't take that wrong.
In this case, research would require a bio lab and plenty of equipment most mortal humans don't have ready access to.
Now... having driven that point home, I'll address the other questions. The eyes? Sure... it has been said as much. The eyes are a vulnerable point of entry for a virus. But let me say this. If you're on a boat with 4 or 5 holes in the hull, then it's a fair certainty your boat's gonna sink, right? Cool. If you patch up 3 or 4 of those holes..... and bail out some water to boot..... your boat may not be as good as new.... but you might not sink. Cool?
We're not talking "either/or" here, nor are we talking "black/white." The world is not made up of strictly absolutes. There is gray... and there are subtleties in most everything in life. I know enough about masks to make my personal choices when I go out. THAT...... is enough for me.
For you to say this............ "either masks work & there is no need for social distancing or social distancing works & there is no need for masks" smacks of pure ignorance. Don't take that wrong.
Back to the boat analogy. You're taking on water so you patch up holes and you bail water. Does bailing alone save you from sinking? Probably not. Does patching some of the holes? Probably not. Does doing both improve your chances of not sinking?
I'd say yes.
Bio hazard bins...... good point. There should be plenty of those available. If government and/or businesses are going to mandate the use of masks and gloves.... then enough bio hazard bins should be supplied to dispose of used ones.
But people are people. You see people protect themselves with gloves and masks.... only to take them off and throw them in the street. Worse than animals.
The use of gloves is another point of contention.
I use masks as I see fit.... but have hardly ever, if at all, used gloves. Why? Gloves just carry contamination from one place to another. People are so clueless as to glove use.
Besides, common sense measures such as hand sanitizer and the washing of hands is more than enough.
But don't you know? He has a bio lab in his house.
ignorant means lacking knowledge or awareness in general. research is an investigation in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions. in this case it doesn't require a bio lab. you could reference the independent research of places like osha regs & verify the info cited. because of your lack of knowledge about masks i must point out that masks don't act as a patch. if they worked like a patch to plug a hole completely then we wouldn't need social distancing would we. from your posts it is clear you have no knowledge of different masks & how their filtration works. if masks worked there would be no need for social distancing. if social distancing worked there would be no need for masks. if masks work why didn't they just give them to prisoners instead of releasing them? hmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICthen your answer shouldn't be yes. but you had the balls to answer so respect to you. do you believe you can't catch this virus through your eyes? doing no research would mean you are ignorant. don't take that wrong. so why are they forcing & mandating that people wear masks if they are not the cure-all? common sense would suggest a sneeze or cough would not just hone in on a mask but would also reach your eyes. so if neither are the magic pill for avoiding catching the virus then why force masks & social distancing on us? either masks work & there is no need for social distancing or social distancing works & there is no need for masks. you should learn how each type of mask & filtration works. n95. surgical. material. let me ask another question if i may. not just to you but anyone who thinks masks & gloves work. if your mask & are catching & stopping the virus shouldn't there be bio hazard bins everywhere to dispose of these highly contagious items?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICsince you had the balls to sort of answer i'll go easy on you. i won't even bother with your eyes or how filtration works. so if you didn't do any research did you just you follow along like a brainless zombie? don't take that wrong. simple question. if you believe the masks work then why the need for social distancing?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Eyes.... gotcha.
Meh..... I don't believe my only two choices are 1) doing research or 2) follow along like a brainless zombie. But feel free to continue believing what you will.
Somewhere in the middle there are educated guesses and common sense.
But be that as it may..... here's the deal, and it may be the source of a lot of misunderstanding (and up to now, contention).
No one is claiming that masks are the cure-all, solve-all panacea that will magically keep you from getting the virus.
Only that, as common sense would dictate to some of us, the use of masks will protect you a bit better from the inadvertent sneeze or cough from the person next to you.... at least when compared to not wearing a mask.
No big deal.... no black magic.... no need for all the contention masks have apparently caused.
Why the need for social distancing if you're wearing a mask?
Simple. Neither is the magic pill for avoiding catching the virus. But together... they decrease your chances of getting infected significantly.
One's a barrier... the other is simply distancing.
So "brainless zombie" and "ignorant." Ok... I'll be sure and not take any of those wrong. ;)
Let me correct you on something. Not doing research on something does not make you ignorant. "Research" is a word lightly thrown around by guys such as yourself and I've seen Miles (Gandalf) do it as well. It lessens the work of those who do "real" research to claim that everyone and their brother can do research. Don't take that wrong.
In this case, research would require a bio lab and plenty of equipment most mortal humans don't have ready access to.
Now... having driven that point home, I'll address the other questions. The eyes? Sure... it has been said as much. The eyes are a vulnerable point of entry for a virus. But let me say this. If you're on a boat with 4 or 5 holes in the hull, then it's a fair certainty your boat's gonna sink, right? Cool. If you patch up 3 or 4 of those holes..... and bail out some water to boot..... your boat may not be as good as new.... but you might not sink. Cool?
We're not talking "either/or" here, nor are we talking "black/white." The world is not made up of strictly absolutes. There is gray... and there are subtleties in most everything in life. I know enough about masks to make my personal choices when I go out. THAT...... is enough for me.
For you to say this............ "either masks work & there is no need for social distancing or social distancing works & there is no need for masks" smacks of pure ignorance. Don't take that wrong.
Back to the boat analogy. You're taking on water so you patch up holes and you bail water. Does bailing alone save you from sinking? Probably not. Does patching some of the holes? Probably not. Does doing both improve your chances of not sinking?
I'd say yes.
Bio hazard bins...... good point. There should be plenty of those available. If government and/or businesses are going to mandate the use of masks and gloves.... then enough bio hazard bins should be supplied to dispose of used ones.
But people are people. You see people protect themselves with gloves and masks.... only to take them off and throw them in the street. Worse than animals.
The use of gloves is another point of contention.
I use masks as I see fit.... but have hardly ever, if at all, used gloves. Why? Gloves just carry contamination from one place to another. People are so clueless as to glove use.
Besides, common sense measures such as hand sanitizer and the washing of hands is more than enough.
They have been very careful in schools here. Masks are worn, proper masks. There was still an outbreak. They only do so much. Outbreaks will keep happening even with masks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
what would you call proper masks?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThey have been very careful in schools here. Masks are worn, proper masks. There was still an outbreak. They only do so much. Outbreaks will keep happening even with masks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Quote:
Originally Posted by TICignorant means lacking knowledge or awareness in general. research is an investigation in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions. in this case it doesn't require a bio lab. you could reference the independent research of places like osha regs & verify the info cited. because of your lack of knowledge about masks i must point out that masks don't act as a patch. if they worked like a patch to plug a hole completely then we wouldn't need social distancing would we. from your posts it is clear you have no knowledge of different masks & how their filtration works. if masks worked there would be no need for social distancing. if social distancing worked there would be no need for masks. if masks work why didn't they just give them to prisoners instead of releasing them? hmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICthen your answer shouldn't be yes. but you had the balls to answer so respect to you. do you believe you can't catch this virus through your eyes? doing no research would mean you are ignorant. don't take that wrong. so why are they forcing & mandating that people wear masks if they are not the cure-all? common sense would suggest a sneeze or cough would not just hone in on a mask but would also reach your eyes. so if neither are the magic pill for avoiding catching the virus then why force masks & social distancing on us? either masks work & there is no need for social distancing or social distancing works & there is no need for masks. you should learn how each type of mask & filtration works. n95. surgical. material. let me ask another question if i may. not just to you but anyone who thinks masks & gloves work. if your mask & are catching & stopping the virus shouldn't there be bio hazard bins everywhere to dispose of these highly contagious items?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICsince you had the balls to sort of answer i'll go easy on you. i won't even bother with your eyes or how filtration works. so if you didn't do any research did you just you follow along like a brainless zombie? don't take that wrong. simple question. if you believe the masks work then why the need for social distancing?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Eyes.... gotcha.
Meh..... I don't believe my only two choices are 1) doing research or 2) follow along like a brainless zombie. But feel free to continue believing what you will.
Somewhere in the middle there are educated guesses and common sense.
But be that as it may..... here's the deal, and it may be the source of a lot of misunderstanding (and up to now, contention).
No one is claiming that masks are the cure-all, solve-all panacea that will magically keep you from getting the virus.
Only that, as common sense would dictate to some of us, the use of masks will protect you a bit better from the inadvertent sneeze or cough from the person next to you.... at least when compared to not wearing a mask.
No big deal.... no black magic.... no need for all the contention masks have apparently caused.
Why the need for social distancing if you're wearing a mask?
Simple. Neither is the magic pill for avoiding catching the virus. But together... they decrease your chances of getting infected significantly.
One's a barrier... the other is simply distancing.
So "brainless zombie" and "ignorant." Ok... I'll be sure and not take any of those wrong. ;)
Let me correct you on something. Not doing research on something does not make you ignorant. "Research" is a word lightly thrown around by guys such as yourself and I've seen Miles (Gandalf) do it as well. It lessens the work of those who do "real" research to claim that everyone and their brother can do research. Don't take that wrong.
In this case, research would require a bio lab and plenty of equipment most mortal humans don't have ready access to.
Now... having driven that point home, I'll address the other questions. The eyes? Sure... it has been said as much. The eyes are a vulnerable point of entry for a virus. But let me say this. If you're on a boat with 4 or 5 holes in the hull, then it's a fair certainty your boat's gonna sink, right? Cool. If you patch up 3 or 4 of those holes..... and bail out some water to boot..... your boat may not be as good as new.... but you might not sink. Cool?
We're not talking "either/or" here, nor are we talking "black/white." The world is not made up of strictly absolutes. There is gray... and there are subtleties in most everything in life. I know enough about masks to make my personal choices when I go out. THAT...... is enough for me.
For you to say this............ "either masks work & there is no need for social distancing or social distancing works & there is no need for masks" smacks of pure ignorance. Don't take that wrong.
Back to the boat analogy. You're taking on water so you patch up holes and you bail water. Does bailing alone save you from sinking? Probably not. Does patching some of the holes? Probably not. Does doing both improve your chances of not sinking?
I'd say yes.
Bio hazard bins...... good point. There should be plenty of those available. If government and/or businesses are going to mandate the use of masks and gloves.... then enough bio hazard bins should be supplied to dispose of used ones.
But people are people. You see people protect themselves with gloves and masks.... only to take them off and throw them in the street. Worse than animals.
The use of gloves is another point of contention.
I use masks as I see fit.... but have hardly ever, if at all, used gloves. Why? Gloves just carry contamination from one place to another. People are so clueless as to glove use.
Besides, common sense measures such as hand sanitizer and the washing of hands is more than enough.
I suggest you work on your reading comprehension if you think you read that I think masks act as a patch. I will gladly get into a discussion of the filtration mechanism of masks with someone who comes into the conversation with a clear, unbiased mind about the topic in general and guess what...... you just don't tick that box. Don't take that the wrong way. If from the beginning you've been spouting one-liners about COVID being a hoax, it gives me little to no desire to discuss facemask filtration mechanics with you.
Precisely because facemasks do not act as patches, is the reason why they must be combined with other measures such as social distancing. But we've been at this long enough to know that not everyone here is interested in having a frank, honest conversation about COVID and masks... haven't we. ;)
You persist on this: "if masks worked there would be no need for social distancing. if social distancing worked there would be no need for masks"
If you want to hang on to that, knock yourself out.
Maybe you missed the part where I told you neither is 100% effective, which is why people that truly know about this stuff (hint: there are none on this boxing forum) recommend using them both together. To minimize the probability of getting infected.
Basically the government issued masks that my wife seems to throw at me every now and then. I don't really pay much attention to them as I don't really use them much and there are no infections anywhere near me. Still all required in enclosed areas, but there is no infection in most cities of the country. It is just a few areas that keep having very sporadic clusters, but 10 cases in a city of 10 million? It is not that bad. You probably could wear the boxer short combo and be perfectly safe. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwhat would you call proper masks?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThey have been very careful in schools here. Masks are worn, proper masks. There was still an outbreak. They only do so much. Outbreaks will keep happening even with masks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
i know masks don't work as a patch which is why your analogy was pointless. we are discussing if masks work. just because we don't agree on if the virus is real or not doesn't mean we can't discuss mask filtration. i like that you are copying me. tells me i hit a nerve. one has nothing to do with the other. so masks don't work unless combined with other measures. covid & masks are two different discussions. aren't they. so if masks are not one hundred percent effective then they don't work. we can use any other institutes independent research & citations if you would like to provide it. i just provided osha because i am familiar with them & have experience & knowledge of their research. if you would like me to explain how filtration works on each type of mask just ask. or you could go & research for yourself. that is best or else it's just as bad as relying on the tv to tell you what to thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICignorant means lacking knowledge or awareness in general. research is an investigation in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions. in this case it doesn't require a bio lab. you could reference the independent research of places like osha regs & verify the info cited. because of your lack of knowledge about masks i must point out that masks don't act as a patch. if they worked like a patch to plug a hole completely then we wouldn't need social distancing would we. from your posts it is clear you have no knowledge of different masks & how their filtration works. if masks worked there would be no need for social distancing. if social distancing worked there would be no need for masks. if masks work why didn't they just give them to prisoners instead of releasing them? hmmmQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICthen your answer shouldn't be yes. but you had the balls to answer so respect to you. do you believe you can't catch this virus through your eyes? doing no research would mean you are ignorant. don't take that wrong. so why are they forcing & mandating that people wear masks if they are not the cure-all? common sense would suggest a sneeze or cough would not just hone in on a mask but would also reach your eyes. so if neither are the magic pill for avoiding catching the virus then why force masks & social distancing on us? either masks work & there is no need for social distancing or social distancing works & there is no need for masks. you should learn how each type of mask & filtration works. n95. surgical. material. let me ask another question if i may. not just to you but anyone who thinks masks & gloves work. if your mask & are catching & stopping the virus shouldn't there be bio hazard bins everywhere to dispose of these highly contagious items?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICsince you had the balls to sort of answer i'll go easy on you. i won't even bother with your eyes or how filtration works. so if you didn't do any research did you just you follow along like a brainless zombie? don't take that wrong. simple question. if you believe the masks work then why the need for social distancing?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Eyes.... gotcha.
Meh..... I don't believe my only two choices are 1) doing research or 2) follow along like a brainless zombie. But feel free to continue believing what you will.
Somewhere in the middle there are educated guesses and common sense.
But be that as it may..... here's the deal, and it may be the source of a lot of misunderstanding (and up to now, contention).
No one is claiming that masks are the cure-all, solve-all panacea that will magically keep you from getting the virus.
Only that, as common sense would dictate to some of us, the use of masks will protect you a bit better from the inadvertent sneeze or cough from the person next to you.... at least when compared to not wearing a mask.
No big deal.... no black magic.... no need for all the contention masks have apparently caused.
Why the need for social distancing if you're wearing a mask?
Simple. Neither is the magic pill for avoiding catching the virus. But together... they decrease your chances of getting infected significantly.
One's a barrier... the other is simply distancing.
So "brainless zombie" and "ignorant." Ok... I'll be sure and not take any of those wrong. ;)
Let me correct you on something. Not doing research on something does not make you ignorant. "Research" is a word lightly thrown around by guys such as yourself and I've seen Miles (Gandalf) do it as well. It lessens the work of those who do "real" research to claim that everyone and their brother can do research. Don't take that wrong.
In this case, research would require a bio lab and plenty of equipment most mortal humans don't have ready access to.
Now... having driven that point home, I'll address the other questions. The eyes? Sure... it has been said as much. The eyes are a vulnerable point of entry for a virus. But let me say this. If you're on a boat with 4 or 5 holes in the hull, then it's a fair certainty your boat's gonna sink, right? Cool. If you patch up 3 or 4 of those holes..... and bail out some water to boot..... your boat may not be as good as new.... but you might not sink. Cool?
We're not talking "either/or" here, nor are we talking "black/white." The world is not made up of strictly absolutes. There is gray... and there are subtleties in most everything in life. I know enough about masks to make my personal choices when I go out. THAT...... is enough for me.
For you to say this............ "either masks work & there is no need for social distancing or social distancing works & there is no need for masks" smacks of pure ignorance. Don't take that wrong.
Back to the boat analogy. You're taking on water so you patch up holes and you bail water. Does bailing alone save you from sinking? Probably not. Does patching some of the holes? Probably not. Does doing both improve your chances of not sinking?
I'd say yes.
Bio hazard bins...... good point. There should be plenty of those available. If government and/or businesses are going to mandate the use of masks and gloves.... then enough bio hazard bins should be supplied to dispose of used ones.
But people are people. You see people protect themselves with gloves and masks.... only to take them off and throw them in the street. Worse than animals.
The use of gloves is another point of contention.
I use masks as I see fit.... but have hardly ever, if at all, used gloves. Why? Gloves just carry contamination from one place to another. People are so clueless as to glove use.
Besides, common sense measures such as hand sanitizer and the washing of hands is more than enough.
I suggest you work on your reading comprehension if you think you read that I think masks act as a patch. I will gladly get into a discussion of the filtration mechanism of masks with someone who comes into the conversation with a clear, unbiased mind about the topic in general and guess what...... you just don't tick that box. Don't take that the wrong way. If from the beginning you've been spouting one-liners about COVID being a hoax, it gives me little to no desire to discuss facemask filtration mechanics with you.
Precisely because facemasks do not act as patches, is the reason why they must be combined with other measures such as social distancing. But we've been at this long enough to know that not everyone here is interested in having a frank, honest conversation about COVID and masks... haven't we. ;)
You persist on this: "if masks worked there would be no need for social distancing. if social distancing worked there would be no need for masks"
If you want to hang on to that, knock yourself out.
Maybe you missed the part where I told you neither is 100% effective, which is why people that truly know about this stuff (hint: there are none on this boxing forum) recommend using them both together. To minimize the probability of getting infected.
would they be n95 type masks? material masks such as bandannas or cloth are completely useless & offer no filtrationQuote:
Originally Posted by GandalfBasically the government issued masks that my wife seems to throw at me every now and then. I don't really pay much attention to them as I don't really use them much and there are no infections anywhere near me. Still all required in enclosed areas, but there is no infection in most cities of the country. It is just a few areas that keep having very sporadic clusters, but 10 cases in a city of 10 million? It is not that bad. You probably could wear the boxer short combo and be perfectly safe. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by TICwhat would you call proper masks?Quote:
Originally Posted by GandalfThey have been very careful in schools here. Masks are worn, proper masks. There was still an outbreak. They only do so much. Outbreaks will keep happening even with masks.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
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Originally Posted by TICi know masks don't work as a patch which is why your analogy was pointless. we are discussing if masks work. just because we don't agree on if the virus is real or not doesn't mean we can't discuss mask filtration. i like that you are copying me. tells me i hit a nerve. one has nothing to do with the other. so masks don't work unless combined with other measures. covid & masks are two different discussions. aren't they. so if masks are not one hundred percent effective then they don't work. we can use any other institutes independent research & citations if you would like to provide it. i just provided osha because i am familiar with them & have experience & knowledge of their research. if you would like me to explain how filtration works on each type of mask just ask. or you could go & research for yourself. that is best or else it's just as bad as relying on the tv to tell you what to thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFanQuote:
Originally Posted by TICignorant means lacking knowledge or awareness in general. research is an investigation in order to establish facts and reach new conclusions. in this case it doesn't require a bio lab. you could reference the independent research of places like osha regs & verify the info cited. because of your lack of knowledge about masks i must point out that masks don't act as a patch. if they worked like a patch to plug a hole completely then we wouldn't need social distancing would we. from your posts it is clear you have no knowledge of different masks & how their filtration works. if masks worked there would be no need for social distancing. if social distancing worked there would be no need for masks. if masks work why didn't they just give them to prisoners instead of releasing them? hmmmQuote:
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Originally Posted by TICthen your answer shouldn't be yes. but you had the balls to answer so respect to you. do you believe you can't catch this virus through your eyes? doing no research would mean you are ignorant. don't take that wrong. so why are they forcing & mandating that people wear masks if they are not the cure-all? common sense would suggest a sneeze or cough would not just hone in on a mask but would also reach your eyes. so if neither are the magic pill for avoiding catching the virus then why force masks & social distancing on us? either masks work & there is no need for social distancing or social distancing works & there is no need for masks. you should learn how each type of mask & filtration works. n95. surgical. material. let me ask another question if i may. not just to you but anyone who thinks masks & gloves work. if your mask & are catching & stopping the virus shouldn't there be bio hazard bins everywhere to dispose of these highly contagious items?Quote:
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Originally Posted by TICsince you had the balls to sort of answer i'll go easy on you. i won't even bother with your eyes or how filtration works. so if you didn't do any research did you just you follow along like a brainless zombie? don't take that wrong. simple question. if you believe the masks work then why the need for social distancing?Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Eyes.... gotcha.
Meh..... I don't believe my only two choices are 1) doing research or 2) follow along like a brainless zombie. But feel free to continue believing what you will.
Somewhere in the middle there are educated guesses and common sense.
But be that as it may..... here's the deal, and it may be the source of a lot of misunderstanding (and up to now, contention).
No one is claiming that masks are the cure-all, solve-all panacea that will magically keep you from getting the virus.
Only that, as common sense would dictate to some of us, the use of masks will protect you a bit better from the inadvertent sneeze or cough from the person next to you.... at least when compared to not wearing a mask.
No big deal.... no black magic.... no need for all the contention masks have apparently caused.
Why the need for social distancing if you're wearing a mask?
Simple. Neither is the magic pill for avoiding catching the virus. But together... they decrease your chances of getting infected significantly.
One's a barrier... the other is simply distancing.
So "brainless zombie" and "ignorant." Ok... I'll be sure and not take any of those wrong. ;)
Let me correct you on something. Not doing research on something does not make you ignorant. "Research" is a word lightly thrown around by guys such as yourself and I've seen Miles (Gandalf) do it as well. It lessens the work of those who do "real" research to claim that everyone and their brother can do research. Don't take that wrong.
In this case, research would require a bio lab and plenty of equipment most mortal humans don't have ready access to.
Now... having driven that point home, I'll address the other questions. The eyes? Sure... it has been said as much. The eyes are a vulnerable point of entry for a virus. But let me say this. If you're on a boat with 4 or 5 holes in the hull, then it's a fair certainty your boat's gonna sink, right? Cool. If you patch up 3 or 4 of those holes..... and bail out some water to boot..... your boat may not be as good as new.... but you might not sink. Cool?
We're not talking "either/or" here, nor are we talking "black/white." The world is not made up of strictly absolutes. There is gray... and there are subtleties in most everything in life. I know enough about masks to make my personal choices when I go out. THAT...... is enough for me.
For you to say this............ "either masks work & there is no need for social distancing or social distancing works & there is no need for masks" smacks of pure ignorance. Don't take that wrong.
Back to the boat analogy. You're taking on water so you patch up holes and you bail water. Does bailing alone save you from sinking? Probably not. Does patching some of the holes? Probably not. Does doing both improve your chances of not sinking?
I'd say yes.
Bio hazard bins...... good point. There should be plenty of those available. If government and/or businesses are going to mandate the use of masks and gloves.... then enough bio hazard bins should be supplied to dispose of used ones.
But people are people. You see people protect themselves with gloves and masks.... only to take them off and throw them in the street. Worse than animals.
The use of gloves is another point of contention.
I use masks as I see fit.... but have hardly ever, if at all, used gloves. Why? Gloves just carry contamination from one place to another. People are so clueless as to glove use.
Besides, common sense measures such as hand sanitizer and the washing of hands is more than enough.
I suggest you work on your reading comprehension if you think you read that I think masks act as a patch. I will gladly get into a discussion of the filtration mechanism of masks with someone who comes into the conversation with a clear, unbiased mind about the topic in general and guess what...... you just don't tick that box. Don't take that the wrong way. If from the beginning you've been spouting one-liners about COVID being a hoax, it gives me little to no desire to discuss facemask filtration mechanics with you.
Precisely because facemasks do not act as patches, is the reason why they must be combined with other measures such as social distancing. But we've been at this long enough to know that not everyone here is interested in having a frank, honest conversation about COVID and masks... haven't we. ;)
You persist on this: "if masks worked there would be no need for social distancing. if social distancing worked there would be no need for masks"
If you want to hang on to that, knock yourself out.
Maybe you missed the part where I told you neither is 100% effective, which is why people that truly know about this stuff (hint: there are none on this boxing forum) recommend using them both together. To minimize the probability of getting infected.
Nerve? Don't fucking flatter yourself. I copy/paste any quote I find utterly ridiculous just to highlight it. Ok so you feel it's either 100% or 0% with masks. Great. Like I said... knock yourself out. It appears you're the one with little to no knowledge about filtration technology. Listen... nobody's telling you to change your mind. You're free to keep believing the shit you believe. Why does it matter to you so much what others choose to believe? It seems personal with you.
but you didn't copy my quote did you? well my question was do masks work. so either they do or they don't. we are talking about if they will stop an invisible virus. it is not just my knowledge on filtration but independent research & verified citations from osha. you can provide your own for us to discuss. i don't care what others believe. beliefs aren't facts. when they start mandating this stuff on people is where the problem starts. you yourself have said that masks need to be combined with social distancing. so are masks in combination with social distancing one hundred percent effective? don't bother answering. the only way to be one hundred percent effective would be a hazmat suit with it's on air supply
First you don't even believe the virus is real. So why are we having this conversation? Why care about masks against a virus you say doesn't exist? Doesn't add up. Assuming you're just arguing for argument's sake, no....... you're wrong. It's not simply "masks work or they don't." There is a filtration efficiency involved, just like any filter in any application. If you're having trouble following, look it up. Filters are rated as to their efficiency in removing particles from airflow. It's not simply a matter of 100% or 0%. That's not the way it works. But hey... it's not my job to instruct you. Number one I'd have to want to convince you, which I don't.... and number two, I'd have to be convinced I'm talking with someone who gives a fuck, which you obviously don't. So carry on. Maybe you can convince others of your beliefs.
TIC was the one who phantom-copied something that two other posters had pasted already. Phantom copying it's not really legit, especially if two other posters have already pasted something. Copying something is okay but TIC has used it as a patch like someone would use it in a lifeboat, and Tito fan rightly said that they were three or four holes in the boat. The only way I can see TIC being correct on this if it is a phantom boat. Otherwise no way can he get away with phantom copying what two other posters pasted.
covid being a virus caught from outside the body through the air or off surfaces & masks are two different discussions. i don't care about masks. i care about them being mandatory. i understand how filtration works on each type of mask. i have mentioned osha's own independent research as a means for you to research & verify the citations. not my beliefsQuote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
you haven't told me what type of better mask type you useQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
I have two and the one in the packet with the label is in my car and the one I have here just your usual looking mask. It definitely filters to a degree anything coming out and likely coming in, but unless I am wearing shades it is not that effective. The eyes take in everything. I scratched my eye recently and have to put in medicine nightly. I taste the medicine in my throat almost immediately. It gets in the eye, it is getting in the body. I wear shades as a result too. I am hunky dory.Quote:
Originally Posted by TICyou haven't told me what type of better mask type you useQuote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
THE FAKEST BULLSHIT YOU'LL EVER SEE, PLUS THIS HYPOCRITE IS 60 DAYS LATE WITH THIS SHIT----- WE GOT 10,000 CASES YESTERDAY AND 8,000 TODAY
Why does this feel like a SNL skit?
I can feel the back pedaling.
@Gandalf @El Kabong @TitoFan @Beanz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wx1oFMg2PQ
Abbott has been harshly criticized for his handling of the pandemic, and the results are bearing that out.
I've always believed as one expert well put it on a televised interview recently.
Comparing the U.S. to any one country is not really accurate in this case.
It's more like 50 different countries, all going in distinctly separate directions.
A strong federal leadership from the very beginning may have yielded much better results.
Exactly. You have states doing INSANE SHIT, I saw a fistfight today in Aldi's here in Irving, Texas, a man went in about 40 years old, no mask, the poor Nepali cashier had to walk up to him around her register and say "Sir, Im sorry, I have to call security if you do NOT COMPLY with the mask mandate." This dude said I DONT CARE, I'M FREE, I NEED TO BUY FOOD. So she called security but before they showed up NAOTHER 40 year old guy went up to him and screamed thru his mask MOFO, ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE FUCKING THINGS UP! GET THE F*** OUT OF THIS STORE, YOURE THREATENING EVERYONE HERE, next thing I know I hear a bottle break, I ran up to the end of the aisle and glass everywhere, the asshole had grabbed a glass jar of peanuts and threw it down at the other guy's feet, both screaming at eaech other, the maskless PIECE OF SHIT tackled the other guy and they are on the ground like UFC punching each other in the ribs, both were evenly matched, then security comes in and pulls them apart. Its insane over here, now Abbott was forced to EAT FUCKING CROW TONIGHT, and declared this Mask Mandate IN ALL PLACES IN PUBLIC. People are going to start shooting places up here when denied entry. This country is totally fucked. Get me the living hell out of here. First fucking flight out. You all can have it. I know when I see a totally collapsed empire from its own HUBRIS.Quote:
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Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellExactly. You have states doing INSANE SHIT, I saw a fistfight today in Aldi's here in Irving, Texas, a man went in about 40 years old, no mask, the poor Nepali cashier had to walk up to him around her register and say "Sir, Im sorry, I have to call security if you do NOT COMPLY with the mask mandate." This dude said I DONT CARE, I'M FREE, I NEED TO BUY FOOD. So she called security but before they showed up NAOTHER 40 year old guy went up to him and screamed thru his mask MOFO, ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE FUCKING THINGS UP! GET THE F*** OUT OF THIS STORE, YOURE THREATENING EVERYONE HERE, next thing I know I hear a bottle break, I ran up to the end of the aisle and glass everywhere, the asshole had grabbed a glass jar of peanuts and threw it down at the other guy's feet, both screaming at eaech other, the maskless PIECE OF SHIT tackled the other guy and they are on the ground like UFC punching each other in the ribs, both were evenly matched, then security comes in and pulls them apart. Its insane over here, now Abbott was forced to EAT FUCKING CROW TONIGHT, and declared this Mask Mandate IN ALL PLACES IN PUBLIC. People are going to start shooting places up here when denied entry. This country is totally fucked. Get me the living hell out of here. First fucking flight out. You all can have it. I know when I see a totally collapsed empire from its own HUBRIS.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Anyone might read what you wrote and think "Man... this guy must be exaggerating" or something to that effect.
But you're not. That same scenario is likely repeated countless times all over the country.
It's beyond sad that people would lose their humanity over stupid shit like having to wear a mask.
What worries me is that we receive a lot of flights daily from two of the most affected States, Florida and Texas.
We've been pretty well under control down here... but with this flow of people from States where people are so rebellious and don't give a shit.... we're bound to be headed into difficult times.
Yeah, no, not exaggerating at all, I even saw a shoving match at Patel Brothers Cash & Carry here in Irving last week, same deal, no mask, no entry, AGAIN a Nepali grocery worker had to stand in front of the automatic doors with his arms out, as a non-Indian let's say, screamed at him to let him enter, tried to bull his way past the worker, who did a great job at blocking him with his shoulder over and over until the guy spat and gave up and stormed back to his SUV.Quote:
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Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellExactly. You have states doing INSANE SHIT, I saw a fistfight today in Aldi's here in Irving, Texas, a man went in about 40 years old, no mask, the poor Nepali cashier had to walk up to him around her register and say "Sir, Im sorry, I have to call security if you do NOT COMPLY with the mask mandate." This dude said I DONT CARE, I'M FREE, I NEED TO BUY FOOD. So she called security but before they showed up NAOTHER 40 year old guy went up to him and screamed thru his mask MOFO, ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE FUCKING THINGS UP! GET THE F*** OUT OF THIS STORE, YOURE THREATENING EVERYONE HERE, next thing I know I hear a bottle break, I ran up to the end of the aisle and glass everywhere, the asshole had grabbed a glass jar of peanuts and threw it down at the other guy's feet, both screaming at eaech other, the maskless PIECE OF SHIT tackled the other guy and they are on the ground like UFC punching each other in the ribs, both were evenly matched, then security comes in and pulls them apart. Its insane over here, now Abbott was forced to EAT FUCKING CROW TONIGHT, and declared this Mask Mandate IN ALL PLACES IN PUBLIC. People are going to start shooting places up here when denied entry. This country is totally fucked. Get me the living hell out of here. First fucking flight out. You all can have it. I know when I see a totally collapsed empire from its own HUBRIS.Quote:
Originally Posted by TitoFan
Anyone might read what you wrote and think "Man... this guy must be exaggerating" or something to that effect.
But you're not. That same scenario is likely repeated countless times all over the country.
It's beyond sad that people would lose their humanity over stupid shit like having to wear a mask.
What worries me is that we receive a lot of flights daily from two of the most affected States, Florida and Texas.
We've been pretty well under control down here... but with this flow of people from States where people are so rebellious and don't give a shit.... we're bound to be headed into difficult times.
This shit is happening in many places in this country. Beyond sad is right.
You probably already know the updated stats for your country, but here I'll post 'em:
Total infections: 7,608 (the curve is definitely increasing, for example on June 1 you had 3,873 total cases, and on May 1 you had a total of 1,575 cases)
Total deaths: 153
Today's infections: 71 (lower than usual over the past 10 days, so a good sign there)
Today's deaths: 0 (cant get better than that)
But yeah, if FL and TX are your arrivals, fucking hell, watch yourself.
Texas yesterday got 9,873 new cases, mindboggling, and 7,702 new cases today, it is unthinkable but its happening and the curve is like straight up, almost vertical.
Masks are to block BACTERIA not VIRUSES soooo I mean wear it if you want :dontknow:
No we cannot wear if we want, it is now mandated. Thank you for answering the question. So you don't think that a mask can slow the spread of a virus?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
Anyway law enforcement here is going around now and enforcing the mask mandate with $250 fines. Finally some intelligent law enforcement action only 60 days too late but hey better late than never
It's not what they are made for. Think of a mask like the netting on a soccer goal....the netting easily catches soccer balls, but smaller things can easily pass through. Bacteria are large when compared to the size of a virus. Viruses can easily pass through these masks. Trying to stop the virus with a mask would be like trying to bail out a sinking ship with a sieve.Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBellNo we cannot wear if we want, it is now mandated. Thank you for answering the question. So you don't think that a mask can slow the spread of a virus?Quote:
Originally Posted by El Kabong
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Man that Democrat party is the party of SCIENCE!!!! Infinity genders and protests don't cause outbreaks....but Bars & Churches do!
So youre saying no mask is as good as a mask. I wonder why doctors wear them then? youre really saying this seriously, that masks dont help at all against germs, bacteria, viruses? Im not being sarcastic.
It's Time to Face Facts, America: Masks WORK
Official advice has been confusing and anal retentive about it, but the science isn't hard to grok. Everyone should cover up. Means El Kabong and Walrus and TIC.
In the past few months, with medical supplies dangerously diminished, the CDC, US surgeon general Jerome Adams, and the World Health Organization have urged people not to buy masks, paradoxically claiming that masks are both essential for the safety of health care workers and incapable of protecting the public from Covid-19.
widespread use of masks is one of the many reasons why China, Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan have controlled outbreaks of coronavirus much more effectively than the US and Europe. “Of course masks work,” sociologist Zeynep Tufekci wrote in a New York Times editorial. “Their use has always been advised as part of the standard response to being around infected people.” Public health expert Shan Soe-Lin and epidemiologist Robert Hecht made a similar argument in the Boston Globe: “We need to change our perception that masks are only for sick people and that it’s weird or shameful to wear one … If more people donned masks it would become a social norm as well as a public health good.” Last week, George Gao, director-general of the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, said that America and Europe are making a "big mistake" by not telling the public to wear masks during the ongoing pandemic.
Masks reduce the spread of infectious disease by catching microbes expelled by the wearer and protecting the wearer from microbes in their environment. When we cough, sneeze, talk, or simply breathe we emit a plume of air and droplets, which are largely composed of saliva, mucus, salts, and—if we are infected—potentially dangerous microbes. The smallest of these droplets, sometimes called aerosols, may hover or drift through the air for hours, potentially exposing anyone who enters that airspace. Larger droplets may travel only a few feet—or up to 26 feet if propelled by a sneeze—before falling to the ground or onto another surface, such as someone’s skin or clothes.
****WE, THE INTELLECTUALS OF THE WORLD, CAN ONLY CONCLUDE THAT AMERICANS, ESPECIALLY REPUBLICAN TRUMP SUPPORTERS, ARE UNTREATABLY ANALLY RETENTIVE AND SUFFER FROM DEEP MASK-ANXIETY DUE TO HAVING LOW IQ'S ************
Fucking hell, atleast we can explain what is happening now.
so if masks work then there's no need for lockdowns yeh?Quote:
Originally Posted by NoSavingByTheBell
What more do Americans want after reading that?Quote:
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