Please tell me, why did B-Hop and RJJ never met the best Europeans?

Please tell me, why did B-Hop and RJJ never met the best Europeans?

Why fighting Morrade Hakkar, Howard Eastman and Scott Dann, when you are able to fight Collins, Calzaghe, Eubank, Watson, Eubank, Ottke and a lot of other good Europeans boxers. Why did they never fight them?

I doubt that RJJ and B-Hop could win over the Europeans - just watch how hyped Lacy was.

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Originally Posted by cityboy

Please tell me, why did B-Hop and RJJ never met the best Europeans?

Why fighting Morrade Hakkar, Howard Eastman and Scott Dann, when you are able to fight Collins, Calzaghe, Eubank, Watson, Eubank, Ottke and a lot of other good Europeans boxers. Why did they never fight them?

I doubt that RJJ and B-Hop could win over the Europeans - just watch how hyped Lacy was.

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for starters you have eubank on there twice......second who is watson and ottke? I'll kinda give you collins...but Roy was at Lt Heavy when collins was making a name for himself....Eubank went up to cruiser while Rjj was at Lt hw hmmmm..wonder why? Benn, eubank, collins were getting into their twilites and I'm thinking maybe they didn't want to have any part of the RJJ express beat down at that time.....B_HOP always said he would fight the best....I'm sure if they would have stepped up and said I can beat you B-HOP would have beat them as well...might be why they never pushed the issue...I don't think it happened because RJJ or B-HOP were ducking the europeans as much as the europeans were ducking them....

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Originally Posted by bigragu

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Originally Posted by cityboy

Please tell me, why did B-Hop and RJJ never met the best Europeans?

Why fighting Morrade Hakkar, Howard Eastman and Scott Dann, when you are able to fight Collins, Calzaghe, Eubank, Watson, Eubank, Ottke and a lot of other good Europeans boxers. Why did they never fight them?

I doubt that RJJ and B-Hop could win over the Europeans - just watch how hyped Lacy was.

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for starters you have eubank on there twice......second who is watson and ottke? I'll kinda give you collins...but Roy was at Lt Heavy when collins was making a name for himself....Eubank went up to cruiser while Rjj was at Lt hw hmmmm..wonder why? Benn, eubank, collins were getting into their twilites and I'm thinking maybe they didn't want to have any part of the RJJ express beat down at that time.....B_HOP always said he would fight the best....I'm sure if they would have stepped up and said I can beat you B-HOP would have beat them as well...might be why they never pushed the issue...I don't think it happened because RJJ or B-HOP were ducking the europeans as much as the europeans were ducking them....

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Yeah, what he said.

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Originally Posted by bigragu

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Originally Posted by cityboy

Please tell me, why did B-Hop and RJJ never met the best Europeans?

Why fighting Morrade Hakkar, Howard Eastman and Scott Dann, when you are able to fight Collins, Calzaghe, Eubank, Watson, Eubank, Ottke and a lot of other good Europeans boxers. Why did they never fight them?

I doubt that RJJ and B-Hop could win over the Europeans - just watch how hyped Lacy was.

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for starters you have eubank on there twice......second who is watson and ottke? I'll kinda give you collins...but Roy was at Lt Heavy when collins was making a name for himself....Eubank went up to cruiser while Rjj was at Lt hw hmmmm..wonder why? Benn, eubank, collins were getting into their twilites and I'm thinking maybe they didn't want to have any part of the RJJ express beat down at that time.....B_HOP always said he would fight the best....I'm sure if they would have stepped up and said I can beat you B-HOP would have beat them as well...might be why they never pushed the issue...I don't think it happened because RJJ or B-HOP were ducking the europeans as much as the europeans were ducking them....

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is late now so ill look into it for an official quote when i get up, but as far as i remember eubank said he didn't want to fight RJJ, don't think he felt he could beat him.

B-hop was meant to fight calzaghe but there were problems with hop's promoters and they called it off *cough* duck *cough*

As for calzaghe v Rjj, some say rjj wudn't come to fight him in the uk, some say calzaghe wudnt go to the us to fight him only real fact anyone can be sure about it wuda been one hell of a fight and a great shame to boxing it never went ahead:(

Not sure about BHOP. He didn't want to fight anyone who had a chance. As for Roy, there wasn't a European fighter that would have beaten him, or come close. Plus, Roy had 5 belts, with 5 constant mandatories, in which no Europeans during that time were ranked high enough to be a mandatory. That's the main reason probably. Plus Roy getting robbed at the Olympics detured him from traveling.

Eubank admitted that he intentionally didn't fight Roy Jones Jr :)

Because the europeans weren't willing to come and face the champions at their weight on their terms. If you want to fight the best you have to give up something to fight them, and the europeans weren't willing to do that.

It takes 2 to make a fight ;)

If the Euros wanted a fight with the world's best, then they should have been the agressors and pushed....they didn't. Besides, like someone said earlier, all the names you mentioned we're kind of out of the picture.

:coolclick: to bigragu

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Originally Posted by Unknowndonor

Not sure about BHOP. He didn't want to fight anyone who had a chance. As for Roy, there wasn't a European fighter that would have beaten him, or come close. Plus, Roy had 5 belts, with 5 constant mandatories, in which no Europeans during that time were ranked high enough to be a mandatory. That's the main reason probably. Plus Roy getting robbed at the Olympics detured him from traveling.

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Collins and Benn called RJJ out many many times during their careers. The same with Calzaghe and B-Hop.

I do think that it is a pattern of american boxers to not fight the best from Europe and still claiming that their the best. Most boxers get beaten up badly when they fight top Europeans. Just watch the likes of Brewster, Lacy, Byrd, Tszyu etc etc

It would be a brave decision for a champ to go to Germany and fight on a Universium card. There seem to be more outrageous decisions there than anywhere else. Jones and Hopkins probably wouldn't have had a problem with fighting Dariuz or Beyer, Ottke etc in the US but Reid, Brewer and Danny Green (1st fight) all got ripped off over there just to mention a few.

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Originally Posted by shooter

It would be a brave decision for a champ to go to Germany and fight on a Universium card. There seem to be more outrageous decisions there than anywhere else. Jones and Hopkins probably wouldn't have had a problem with fighting Dariuz or Beyer, Ottke etc in the US but Reid, Brewer and Danny Green (1st fight) all got ripped off over there just to mention a few.

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Is it better for a Sturm to go fighting ODLH in America?

B-Hop and RJJ would not travel and nor should they have - but remember theat European World champions get tarred with "Hometown Fighter" for that exact same reason.

The European most likely to have beaten RJJ imo is Darius Michaelchevski!

Hardly any Yanks or Euros wanted to leave their turf to defend or much less even fight for a title...enter Winky Wright. ;D

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Originally Posted by BIG H

The European most likely to have beaten RJJ imo is Darius Michaelchevski!

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Yyyyeah, ok, Darius was decent but nothing special...he would have been picked apart and KO'd.

The point is the Europeans didn't want to come over here and RJ and B-Hop had all the belts they wanted so they didn't have to go over to Europe.

Both sides are at fault...seems like they should have fought on an oil rig out at sea or something

Also why fight Svenn Ottke when you penalized for hitting him?