BIG Issues with Toney-Peter II

Right so most will know..James Toney is my man..Love the way he fights, love him he can do no wrong to me....
But i do not make excuse for any fighter without legitimate reason..I wont make up crap to say why my man lost... But i got some issues with sam peter here....

First point.. Sam looked great in the first round..I mean heavyweights are known for bieng slow and flat footed ..But he impressed me something crazy with some very niec jabs early..
One thing i did notice which was very very nice is he was throwing two or three at a time..AND stepping in with the jabs looked very nice and was effective..So with sam's opening props out of the way.. Lets begin..
This whole rabbit punching thing is a big issue for me.. Toney leans..and that sometimes invites punches to the side of the head.. and leaves him open for shots behind the ear whether intentional or not..
But sam peter really took the piss in this fight..When hes leant right to his side fine..Thrw your punches overhand or not and it doesnt matter where they land..Although in all fairness..Better to stay with hooks and uppercuts..But when they are folded over and your giving them big overhand rights purposely on the back of the head..That becomes fucking ridiculous.. No wonder he started to gas out and was wobbled those punches should never have hit him there..
Also i was mad at the knockdown..Not at the ref or at peter..But damn it was a jab and he only went over because he was flat footed and he feet werent placed properly.
I noticed even when he did get hurt with these illegal punches early that he was still slick as he had always been so i dont see him bieng shot from there...
Round 3 now...All toney he looked good man..took it to peter for at least two minutes of the round..
Nice snappy one two's.
Round 4..Close..I gave it to toney..They were standing flat..3 from toney 3 back from peter..2 from peter..two from toney.. jabs here and there from both..But for the best part of the last minute it was toney beating sam to the punch n throwin jabs..If this round went to peter..It was that flurry at the end..Which appeared to have peter getting the best..although toney was still throwing.. But the way i score..I wouldnt have given peter that round..
5..Alot of messy trading..Another thing sam does is he pushes the head back with an open glove..
Now that is not right..he often was palming the face back and setting up those overhand illegal punches many landing on the ear and back of the head..
But round to peter.. i had it even most of the round until peter landed more and cleaner single shots at the end..so i would have to score it peter..But not convincing as a fan that he had james' number.
6.Peters round..nice punches..Again..Tha t's james..James wasnt busy enough and gave it away..Although looked busyer in the last minute..Still not enough without any genuinely clear shots to steal it.
7. Toney. Kept his jab going pretty nicely few right hands..a fair few good three punch combo's which we've seen toney throw in the past..In particular against holyfield..The right hand the two left hooks body head or head body.. Those were nice..A good long clinch for somethin like 15-20 secs of the last minute toney kept his jab going..Round doesnt get stolen.
8.Big left hook by peter and good strait punches follow early..But..In all fairness..Both werent very active..and if you ask me..Toney was more active from the second minute to the last 30 or 20 seconds..Easily disputed so no anger at the judges either wat..I say toney.But sam got some clean shots and even showed some handspeed in the last twenty secs..
9.I have it even..This i feel was theyr round off.. Both throwing sloppy jabs.. sam looking a little busyer..
but james i feel tried to steal it with some fairly nice punches at the end..Couple of nice counter fights and taunts.. pretty even. james
10.Cleaner shots in the first minute..Output about the same though..
Stolen in the middle by a suprising showing of attitude by peter and a sudden short second wind...
Toney looked good for the last 30..But that was peter's round no question.
At this point im going to mention dan rafael's card..All ten rounds to peter.. this the showtime press row card..Message for dan..Your an idiot ;) ::**
11.Slow even round... Peter flurried late and that probably stole it.. I probably give it to peter myself.
12.Slow for the mid part..Sam only really threw two meaningful combo's a couple of hooks followed by an overhand right that missed and hit himself in the thigh..And landed a one two..
The rest was just jabs from sam..Toney had about the same output more right hands and a few more hooks on the inside..
Sam looked like a tit.. Good jabs though..But ten seconds doesnt take the round.
12 To Toney.

So tally em up...
7 Rounds to 5.
115-112
Sam Peter..

The whole point in this is not to say that toney won..
Its to say that toney got a raw deal in the scoring and that i dont think he is shot..
Styles make fights and peter got safely through two fights to secure his title shot..
But Aside from this fight..Who in the heavyweight division beats James Toney..
Sam peter and likely that vlad does too...
There are four belts and a bunch more names to take..
I would like to see James keep working at getting in shape and hope that his ego is still gona keep him in the game.. I truely hope he hasnt been discouraged by this..
Amongst the names and titles that are still out to be taken..Toney still can make it big and take the heavyweight title he should already have... Im not sure his legacy is quite fulfilled yet..
Also..James might last a little better and look a little better against other fighters that dont rabbit punch :P ;) ;D

Bodyhead.

CC on the analysis...
Although im not the biggest fan of either, i have to agree with MOST of your reporting of the fight. Its sad about the knockdown because toney has eaten tremendous punishment and stood still, but, a knockdown is a knockdown flat footed or not. But you bring up a good point that has been mention on a few recent posts. Samuel peter hits behind the head INTENTIONALLY, no ifs ands or buts, he see's it open, and tries to connect there ALOT. however i do believe the outcome would of still been a ud for peter, toney didnt bring his best game that night, and peter took advantage.

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Originally Posted by Big_Deuce

CC on the analysis...
Although im not the biggest fan of either, i have to agree with MOST of your reporting of the fight. Its sad about the knockdown because toney has eaten tremendous punishment and stood still, but, a knockdown is a knockdown flat footed or not. But you bring up a good point that has been mention on a few recent posts. Samuel peter hits behind the head INTENTIONALLY, no ifs ands or buts, he see's it open, and tries to connect there ALOT. however i do believe the outcome would of still been a ud for peter, toney didnt bring his best game that night, and peter took advantage.

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Cc for the reply brother..
Yehh theres no dispute on the knockdown which is a shame..
Been 13 years since his last knockdown..Which also was when he was off balance after roy jones had taunted him, he taunts back and got knocked off balance with a left hook...lol
His only real knockdown ..that ive seen anyway was in '91.. So he's not been legitimately knocked down in 18 odd years :-\ :P
lol...

I guess i just wanted to let everyone and mostly the doubters on the forum that i really dont think he is shot..I think he was genuinely beat..But he did ok..
I genuinely think..aside from vlad and sam peter there's noone else out there that beats toney..
So theres no need to retire just yet..And he looked in beter shape this fight.. He could look great in a few fights time if he doesnt get discouraged..
Peace

Bodyhead.

are u on crack???/ 10-2 for peter
toney only got 3 and9

;)

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Originally Posted by mikeboxing

are u on crack???/ 10-2 for peter
toney only got 3 and9

;)

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I called round 4 even. Even if you give it to Toney, you have 9-3.

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Originally Posted by mikeboxing

are u on crack???/ 10-2 for peter
toney only got 3 and9

;)

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Go on go watch it and read at the same time and tell me im wrong.. And you tell me at what times and for how long flurries notable punches and the time in which each fighters dominance or round stealing took place...
And i believe that the key to fair scoring..Is watching both fighters ;) ..Not just watching the one you favour ;)

peter DOMINATED toney

Oh so now that youve put it in huge bold that makes it so? ::**
;D ...I think not ;)

I've supported toney equally as much as the best of you but i feel it's over for him. (Hopefully he proves me and a lot of other people who decided to write him off wrong.

Tito. If you read my previous post pre fight you know i was a big toney fan also. I havent seen the fight yet. (anyone know how i can?)
I need a link where i push one button and it works.
When I get to see the fight. I hope I dont have to come back here and tell you that youv'e made a fool of yourself!

PS I had Toney winning all 3 ruiz,rahman and peter1 by a fair margin

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Now call me a fool ..
But dont say i aint good to ya'll
Peace

I quit watching at the end of round two. I'm taking everything back. Peter's nothing but a dirty fighter those shots probably made toney dizzy the whole fight. Toney's not done. In a fair fight where peter is warned and dq'd for blows to the head toney wins in the second round.

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Originally Posted by Punisher136

I quit watching at the end of round two. I'm taking everything back. Peter's nothing but a dirty fighter those shots probably made toney dizzy the whole fight. Toney's not done. In a fair fight where peter is warned and dq'd for blows to the head toney wins in the second round.

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Good man ;)

People can say what they want about toney moving into them, 90% of those shots were thrown while toney was stationary in a defensive stance.

excuses excuses hahahah Toney pure aint good at heavy , IMO he lost both PEter fights and Rahman fight , against Ruiz he won but steriods