Why do old era fighters get an automatic pass?
Every time i see lists of atgs and hypothetical match-ups between new and old era fighters a lot of people automatically give the older fighter all of these passes..like oh he had a great chin, he could punch, he was a warrior, etc etc and say that well the new guys don't posess any of these attributes and give the old guy the nod...
Ali, Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, Johnson, would all be beaten easily by lewis and holfield
foster,moore,spinks would all be crushed by RJJ
monzon,hagler,ketchel,fullmer, would all be beaten by hopkins,jones and toney
ortiz, leonard and duran would be beaten by PBF and mosley
that's all IMO...
Re: Why do old era fighters get an automatic pass?
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Every time i see lists of atgs and hypothetical match-ups between new and old era fighters a lot of people automatically give the older fighter all of these passes..like oh he had a great chin, he could punch, he was a warrior, etc etc and say that well the new guys don't posess any of these attributes and give the old guy the nod...
Ali, Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, Johnson, would all be beaten easily by lewis and holfield
foster,moore,spinks would all be crushed by RJJ
monzon,hagler,ketchel,fullmer, would all be beaten by hopkins,jones and toney
ortiz, leonard and duran would be beaten by PBF and mosley
that's all IMO...
You have got to stop sniffing the Ajax!
Re: Why do old era fighters get an automatic pass?
Oh please,given the options that todays fighters have for training(including studying tape on all the fighters you mentioned)theyd go through most current divisions like a knife through butter
Its the intelligence of the fighter,not the phsyique
I can train you to look pretty,but I cant make you smart
Ask Shannen(I just got wupped again) Briggs
Re: Why do old era fighters get an automatic pass?
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Oh please,given the options that todays fighters have for training(including studying tape on all the fighters you mentioned)theyd go through most current divisions like a knife through butter
Its the intelligence of the fighter,not the phsyique
I can train you to look pretty,but I cant make you smart
Ask Shannen(I just got wupped again) Briggs
we'll i wasn't talking about magically placing the old era in the new era..i was saying as is from what we've seen of them...
and also the point that you've made only helps why i think todays fighters are much better, because their opponents get to watch and study their fights before hand, they have the same training available, more money for training, altitude, all the benefits of a serious boxer and to still stay on top the way the RJJ, PBF, BHOP, lewis, have done and did speaks volumes to how great they really are....
Re: Why do old era fighters get an automatic pass?
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Every time i see lists of atgs and hypothetical match-ups between new and old era fighters a lot of people automatically give the older fighter all of these passes..like oh he had a great chin, he could punch, he was a warrior, etc etc and say that well the new guys don't posess any of these attributes and give the old guy the nod...
Ali, Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, Johnson, would all be beaten easily by lewis and holfield
foster,moore,spinks would all be crushed by RJJ
monzon,hagler,ketchel,fullmer, would all be beaten by hopkins,jones and toney
ortiz, leonard and duran would be beaten by PBF and mosley
that's all IMO...
Some of that I agree with, BUT PBF beating Duran and Leonard?! ;D ::** Hell Mosley would have a tuff time with both those guys and still lose.
Re: Why do old era fighters get an automatic pass?
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Every time i see lists of atgs and hypothetical match-ups between new and old era fighters a lot of people automatically give the older fighter all of these passes..like oh he had a great chin, he could punch, he was a warrior, etc etc and say that well the new guys don't posess any of these attributes and give the old guy the nod...
Ali, Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, Johnson, would all be beaten easily by lewis and holfield
foster,moore,spinks would all be crushed by RJJ
monzon,hagler,ketchel,fullmer, would all be beaten by hopkins,jones and toney
ortiz, leonard and duran would be beaten by PBF and mosley
that's all IMO...
Perhaps in some cases your right..
But just for the sake of arguement
Hagler gives Jones , bernard and toney a great deal of trouble..Even though i love them all
Leonard ..I dont know that floyd beats him or not.. But to say they destroy the old timers is way off
Re: Why do old era fighters get an automatic pass?
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey
Oh please,given the options that todays fighters have for training(including studying tape on all the fighters you mentioned)theyd go through most current divisions like a knife through butter
Its the intelligence of the fighter,not the phsyique
I can train you to look pretty,but I cant make you smart
Ask Shannen(I just got wupped again) Briggs
we'll i wasn't talking about magically placing the old era in the new era..i was saying as is from what we've seen of them...
and also the point that you've made only helps why i think todays fighters are much better, because their opponents get to watch and study their fights before hand, they have the same training available, more money for training, altitude, all the benefits of a serious boxer and to still stay on top the way the RJJ, PBF, BHOP, lewis, have done and did speaks volumes to how great they really are....
If you arent giving those older fighters the exact same advantages,you are just plucking them out of their eras arent you?
You cant teach heart,and smarts
Everything else is doable
Re: Why do old era fighters get an automatic pass?
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Originally Posted by Hulk
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Every time i see lists of atgs and hypothetical match-ups between new and old era fighters a lot of people automatically give the older fighter all of these passes..like oh he had a great chin, he could punch, he was a warrior, etc etc and say that well the new guys don't posess any of these attributes and give the old guy the nod...
Ali, Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, Johnson, would all be beaten easily by lewis and holfield
foster,moore,spinks would all be crushed by RJJ
monzon,hagler,ketchel,fullmer, would all be beaten by hopkins,jones and toney
ortiz, leonard and duran would be beaten by PBF and mosley
that's all IMO...
Some of that I agree with, BUT PBF beating Duran and Leonard?! ;D ::** Hell Mosley would have a tuff time with both those guys and still lose.
mosley easily beats them..but i wasn't talking about SRL rather good ole benny...
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Every time i see lists of atgs and hypothetical match-ups between new and old era fighters a lot of people automatically give the older fighter all of these passes..like oh he had a great chin, he could punch, he was a warrior, etc etc and say that well the new guys don't posess any of these attributes and give the old guy the nod...
Ali, Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, Johnson, would all be beaten easily by lewis and holfield
foster,moore,spinks would all be crushed by RJJ
monzon,hagler,ketchel,fullmer, would all be beaten by hopkins,jones and toney
ortiz, leonard and duran would be beaten by PBF and mosley
that's all IMO...
Perhaps in some cases your right..
But just for the sake of arguement
Hagler gives Jones , bernard and toney a great deal of trouble..Even though i love them all
Leonard ..I dont know that floyd beats him or not.. But to say they destroy the old timers is way off
prime lennox destorys all of them toooooooooooooooo big and skillful they would hhave never seen the likes of him
Re: Why do old era fighters get an automatic pass?
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by Hulk
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Every time i see lists of atgs and hypothetical match-ups between new and old era fighters a lot of people automatically give the older fighter all of these passes..like oh he had a great chin, he could punch, he was a warrior, etc etc and say that well the new guys don't posess any of these attributes and give the old guy the nod...
Ali, Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, Johnson, would all be beaten easily by lewis and holfield
foster,moore,spinks would all be crushed by RJJ
monzon,hagler,ketchel,fullmer, would all be beaten by hopkins,jones and toney
ortiz, leonard and duran would be beaten by PBF and mosley
that's all IMO...
Some of that I agree with, BUT PBF beating Duran and Leonard?! ;D ::** Hell Mosley would have a tuff time with both those guys and still lose.
mosley easily beats them..but i wasn't talking about SRL rather good ole benny...
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Every time i see lists of atgs and hypothetical match-ups between new and old era fighters a lot of people automatically give the older fighter all of these passes..like oh he had a great chin, he could punch, he was a warrior, etc etc and say that well the new guys don't posess any of these attributes and give the old guy the nod...
Ali, Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, Johnson, would all be beaten easily by lewis and holfield
foster,moore,spinks would all be crushed by RJJ
monzon,hagler,ketchel,fullmer, would all be beaten by hopkins,jones and toney
ortiz, leonard and duran would be beaten by PBF and mosley
that's all IMO...
Perhaps in some cases your right..
But just for the sake of arguement
Hagler gives Jones , bernard and toney a great deal of trouble..Even though i love them all
Leonard ..I dont know that floyd beats him or not.. But to say they destroy the old timers is way off
prime lennox destorys all of them toooooooooooooooo big and skillful they would hhave never seen the likes of him
Lol..I never mentioned lennox!! Wtf yo! Lol
And plus yes he does..Aside from ali..Thats a great close fight..Ali was not a small heavyweight atall not like the others.. But if they were all in this time would they be heavyweights? or would they be able to use the advantages of greater training today to theyr advantages to eb better then they were and keep up
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prime lennox destorys all of them toooooooooooooooo big and skillful they would hhave never seen the likes of him
[/quote]correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Lewis get his a** sparked out 2 times?......Marciano would push his endurance farther than any fighter ever pushed him...and we know Lennox was susceptible to the occasional lazy streak....I personally don't see him beating Marciano at all...Marciano KO'd guys just as big as him....
Re: Why do old era fighters get an automatic pass?
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
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Originally Posted by Hulk
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Every time i see lists of atgs and hypothetical match-ups between new and old era fighters a lot of people automatically give the older fighter all of these passes..like oh he had a great chin, he could punch, he was a warrior, etc etc and say that well the new guys don't posess any of these attributes and give the old guy the nod...
Ali, Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, Johnson, would all be beaten easily by lewis and holfield
foster,moore,spinks would all be crushed by RJJ
monzon,hagler,ketchel,fullmer, would all be beaten by hopkins,jones and toney
ortiz, leonard and duran would be beaten by PBF and mosley
that's all IMO...
Some of that I agree with, BUT PBF beating Duran and Leonard?! ;D ::** Hell Mosley would have a tuff time with both those guys and still lose.
mosley easily beats them..but i wasn't talking about SRL rather good ole benny...
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Originally Posted by Tito_BHB
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Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather
Every time i see lists of atgs and hypothetical match-ups between new and old era fighters a lot of people automatically give the older fighter all of these passes..like oh he had a great chin, he could punch, he was a warrior, etc etc and say that well the new guys don't posess any of these attributes and give the old guy the nod...
Ali, Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, Johnson, would all be beaten easily by lewis and holfield
foster,moore,spinks would all be crushed by RJJ
monzon,hagler,ketchel,fullmer, would all be beaten by hopkins,jones and toney
ortiz, leonard and duran would be beaten by PBF and mosley
that's all IMO...
Perhaps in some cases your right..
But just for the sake of arguement
Hagler gives Jones , bernard and toney a great deal of trouble..Even though i love them all
Leonard ..I dont know that floyd beats him or not.. But to say they destroy the old timers is way off
prime lennox destorys all of them toooooooooooooooo big and skillful they would hhave never seen the likes of him
Holmes would beat Lewis.
Re: Why do old era fighters get an automatic pass?
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Originally Posted by THE Bigragu
prime lennox destorys all of them toooooooooooooooo big and skillful they would hhave never seen the likes of him
correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Lewis get his a** sparked out 2 times?......Marciano would push his endurance farther than any fighter ever pushed him...and we know Lennox was susceptible to the occasional lazy streak....I personally don't see him beating Marciano at all...Marciano KO'd guys just as big as him....
[/quote] Not same weight come on he took big bombs which would ko most hws from any era Marciano would be like 60 pounds smaller and 7 inches smaller Lewis would crush Marciano.
Re: Why do old era fighters get an automatic pass?
Holmes would beat Lewis.
[/quote]agreed....Holmes could box circles around Lewis....
Re: Why do old era fighters get an automatic pass?
The fact we talk about them now is because they passed the test of time, so we know they were good. So we match them with guys now and usually the guys who passed the test of time will come through vs. the guys now since they have not passed the test of time yet.
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Originally Posted by THE Bigragu
Holmes would beat Lewis.
agreed....Holmes could box circles around Lewis....
[/quote] Problem with Lewis he didn't like boxers using the jab on him aka Ray Mercer and Frank Bruno.
