Human Races

Some evolution talks had me wondering about this.

I've heard the same story that most of you have that racism is silly because we all started out as the same race in africa (as the story goes, prodominantly dark skinned because of the heat). I'm not doubting that humans first came into existance in africa but i've never seen a black person/bloodline ever lighten up outside of producing offspring with a lighter skinned person (michael jackson aside). Light skinned people can get tans (both naturally from the sun and artificially) but i've never seen a case where a dark skinned individual got a lighter tone just by simply living in the cold (again michael jackson being the only exception here).

Asians/orientals are for the most part light skinned (in fact the only visible difference between them and your traditional "white" person is eye shape) and this is confusing because they have a rather warm and very sunny climate that they have lived in for several centuries (maybe even a few millenniums) at this point. If they were dark skinned, then lightened by europes could climate and then again exposed back into the sun wouldn't they have darkened again?

Most European countries are mostly white/very light skinned as is russia's asian side, canada, and the US (2/3 "white" majority in the US according to the most recent census info). Not exactly sure what qualifies as white as i had somebody explain to me that arabians are actually white descendants ???. Something about people living in the caucas mountains (which i believe is in the middle east area or around it) hence caucasian being used as a term for light skinned people.

So here's the evolution/adaption based question: With all the different established races, how did they all come to be?

Aside from inter-racial offspring, i've never seen anyone "adapt" new racial features. I'm not saying that different races of people are different species from others but the variation among the many different established human races is almost as indepth as those between different animal species that seemingly have no genetic link to one another's characteristics. Amphibian-reptile, reptile-bird, etc.

I don't by into that story of we all came from africa and started off with dark skins. Then How in the world did people cross oceans with a brain of a 1 year old back then? We all just came up from different places, had different cultures, ate differently and evolved differently.

We quickly seperated ourselves from the rest of the earths creatures because of the rapid way we process thoughts. We have lost our instict and have depended on morals. We gain logic but we are still hunted by morals. I believe the more we lose touch with nature the quicker we will all be doomed.

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Originally Posted by Julius Rain

I don't by into that story of we all came from africa and started off with dark skins. Then How in the world did people cross oceans with a brain of a 1 year old back then? We all just came up from different places, had different cultures, ate differently and evolved differently.

We quickly seperated ourselves from the rest of the earths creatures because of the rapid way we process thoughts. We have lost our instict and have depended on morals. We gain logic but we are still hunted by morals. I believe the more we lose touch with nature the quicker we will all be doomed.

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I don't understand that statement ???. During the ice age (the most recent to date) the water was frozen up and levels were down so migration from asia to the americas was possible because a natural land bridge was formed in the bering straight (alaska-russia). Thes migrations would've been lead by elders and stronger members of the tribe (obviously children would be taken as well) but again the 1 yr old statment doesn't make any sense.

We can't go back to being animals. We need technology to be able to compete with the predators that dominate the wild. Go ahead and fight for food with a grizzly bear. Hand to hand wont get the job done, you're either gonna have to out smart it or have some weapons to back you up.

I aggree , I'll shag anything especially the Japanese girls that spend so much time acting confused on Brighton Beach .

The oldest Indian tribe in the Americas forget the tribe originate from the South of France 30,000 years ago I found that peice of imformation intereting.

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Originally Posted by NotGuilty136

I don't understand that statement ???. During the ice age (the most recent to date) the water was frozen up and levels were down so migration from asia to the americas was possible because a natural land bridge was formed in the bering straight (alaska-russia). Thes migrations would've been lead by elders and stronger members of the tribe (obviously children would be taken as well) but again the 1 yr old statment doesn't make any sense.

We can't go back to being animals. We need technology to be able to compete with the predators that dominate the wild. Go ahead and fight for food with a grizzly bear. Hand to hand wont get the job done, you're either gonna have to out smart it or have some weapons to back you up.

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Humans are the dominant predator on the earth by leaps and bounds. Fight a grizzly bear for food? Yes, b/c we all live in an environment where we are in direct competition with another predator for our food source ::**


I agree with what Julius said about the quicker humans lose touch with nature the faster we will be doomed. Even though we have computers, cell phones, status symbols we are still part of the natural world and many forget that. Human population is expanding exponentially and depleting the world around it with no regards to other forms of life.


"I'm not doubting that humans first came into existance in africa but i've never seen a black person/bloodline ever lighten up outside of producing offspring with a lighter skinned person"

That is b/c this would take tens of thousands of years for this to happen?


"the variation among the many different established human races is almost as indepth as those between different animal species that seemingly have no genetic link to one another's characteristics. Amphibian-reptile, reptile-bird."

So you think different colors/ethnicities are all different species? Then how can we mate with each other?

Can a giraffe make a baby with a fish?

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Originally Posted by dasamm

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Originally Posted by NotGuilty136

I don't understand that statement ???. During the ice age (the most recent to date) the water was frozen up and levels were down so migration from asia to the americas was possible because a natural land bridge was formed in the bering straight (alaska-russia). Thes migrations would've been lead by elders and stronger members of the tribe (obviously children would be taken as well) but again the 1 yr old statment doesn't make any sense.

We can't go back to being animals. We need technology to be able to compete with the predators that dominate the wild. Go ahead and fight for food with a grizzly bear. Hand to hand wont get the job done, you're either gonna have to out smart it or have some weapons to back you up.

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Humans are the dominant predator on the earth by leaps and bounds. Fight a grizzly bear for food? Yes, b/c we all live in an environment where we are in direct competition with another predator for our food source ::**


I agree with what Julius said about the quicker humans lose touch with nature the faster we will be doomed. Even though we have computers, cell phones, status symbols we are still part of the natural world and many forget that. Human population is expanding exponentially and depleting the world around it with no regards to other forms of life.


"I'm not doubting that humans first came into existance in africa but i've never seen a black person/bloodline ever lighten up outside of producing offspring with a lighter skinned person"

That is b/c this would take tens of thousands of years for this to happen?


"the variation among the many different established human races is almost as indepth as those between different animal species that seemingly have no genetic link to one another's characteristics. Amphibian-reptile, reptile-bird."

So you think different colors/ethnicities are all different species? Then how can we mate with each other?

Can a giraffe make a baby with a fish?

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You obviously took the second part out of context as i noted that we are all the same species but the differences in our races is amazing especially the vast amount that exists today. What i meant by genetic link is that it would take a lot of work to link certain races progression's/adaptions together while others maybe surprizingly close to one another. I said almost as indepth as the animals stating that the animals were the one with no genetic link like different species of monkey, etc.

We are not the dominant predator of the wild without technology. Without a gun or knife, we can't physically compete with any other predator. If you consider driving a few miles to a food store and buying already killed off animals as being a predator then yes, i guess we are the most dominant.

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Originally Posted by NotGuilty136

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Originally Posted by dasamm

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Originally Posted by NotGuilty136

I don't understand that statement ???. During the ice age (the most recent to date) the water was frozen up and levels were down so migration from asia to the americas was possible because a natural land bridge was formed in the bering straight (alaska-russia). Thes migrations would've been lead by elders and stronger members of the tribe (obviously children would be taken as well) but again the 1 yr old statment doesn't make any sense.

We can't go back to being animals. We need technology to be able to compete with the predators that dominate the wild. Go ahead and fight for food with a grizzly bear. Hand to hand wont get the job done, you're either gonna have to out smart it or have some weapons to back you up.

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Humans are the dominant predator on the earth by leaps and bounds. Fight a grizzly bear for food? Yes, b/c we all live in an environment where we are in direct competition with another predator for our food source ::**


I agree with what Julius said about the quicker humans lose touch with nature the faster we will be doomed. Even though we have computers, cell phones, status symbols we are still part of the natural world and many forget that. Human population is expanding exponentially and depleting the world around it with no regards to other forms of life.


"I'm not doubting that humans first came into existance in africa but i've never seen a black person/bloodline ever lighten up outside of producing offspring with a lighter skinned person"

That is b/c this would take tens of thousands of years for this to happen?


"the variation among the many different established human races is almost as indepth as those between different animal species that seemingly have no genetic link to one another's characteristics. Amphibian-reptile, reptile-bird."

So you think different colors/ethnicities are all different species? Then how can we mate with each other?

Can a giraffe make a baby with a fish?

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You obviously took the second part out of context as i noted that we are all the same species but the differences in our races is amazing especially the vast amount that exists today. What i meant by genetic link is that it would take a lot of work to link certain races progression's/adaptions together while others maybe surprizingly close to one another. I said almost as indepth as the animals stating that the animals were the one with no genetic link like different species of monkey, etc.

We are not the dominant predator of the wild without technology. Without a gun or knife, we can't physically compete with any other predator. If you consider driving a few miles to a food store and buying already killed off animals as being a predator then yes, i guess we are the most dominant.

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Of course we are top of the food chain and the most dominant predator. Just becuase we have to use tools to be so doesn't make us any less so. Our ability to conceptualise and use tools seperates us from the animals and makes us top predator.

It's that superior ability that makes us top of the food chain not the actual tools.

I'm not a fan of the idea. Even physically inferior humans can be abe to take out the toughest animal with technology. Anybody (with a functioning upper body) can shoot a gun but not every human is capable of hold its own in the wild if they get lost and aren't prepared.

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Originally Posted by NotGuilty136

I'm not a fan of the idea. Even physically inferior humans can be abe to take out the toughest animal with technology. Anybody (with a functioning upper body) can shoot a gun but not every human is capable of hold its own in the wild if they get lost and aren't prepared.

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Well I've watched every episode of Man vs Wild so I reckon I'd be ok. As long as I had a nice supply of elephant poo that I could squeeze drinking water out of and a nice little termites nest to eat from I'd be ok.

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Originally Posted by Bilbo

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Originally Posted by NotGuilty136

I'm not a fan of the idea. Even physically inferior humans can be abe to take out the toughest animal with technology. Anybody (with a functioning upper body) can shoot a gun but not every human is capable of hold its own in the wild if they get lost and aren't prepared.

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Well I've watched every episode of Man vs Wild so I reckon I'd be ok. As long as I had a nice supply of elephant poo that I could squeeze drinking water out of and a nice little termites nest to eat from I'd be ok.

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I have too. If i'm not out of the area i'm lost in after about 3 days, its not gonna end well. It's just really strange to me. It seems like we're a failed experiment that tryed to merge an animal and a truely "intelligent" life form capable of plannig an advanced society. A lot of things just don't add up. Some animal instincts seem to get in the way of us reaching a universally successful state among the entire species. In a truely advanced society there would be a balance, no upper or lower "social classes". There would be no insurance or anything like that, if you were sick you'd get treatment and there wouldn't be extensive waits because there'd be enough on hand professionals to treat just about anybody.

There's roughly 6.4 billion humans now and i don't see how things are gonna change for the better in the near or distant future. There's been non-stop warring between "different" tribes of people since the species came into existence it seems. You can't get rid of things like greed or hatred because they've been witnessed and everyone knows what they are. If you were to somehow create a "utopia" all future generations would have to do is look at the history books and it would start all over again.

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Originally Posted by Scrap

The oldest Indian tribe in the Americas forget the tribe originate from the South of France 30,000 years ago I found that peice of imformation intereting.

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There was something about that on the colbert report on tuesday. They took his dna and traced it back to a group called (something) K. Apparently if you submit your dna sample (along with the dna of a female in your bloodline) to this grouo they can trace your roots all the way back to the initial african/european roots. Very interesting stuff.

Theres a lot of wise men who put our roots back as far as 5 million years. Also what gives us our IQ is our thumb so look after it

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Originally Posted by Scrap

Theres a lot of wise men who put our roots back as far as 5 million years. Also what gives us our IQ is our thumb so look after it

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I dunno about 5million, maybe for the entire mammal kingdom but not the human species. The common estimate i keep hearing is roughly 100,000. There were advanced civilizations before this one (atlantis, etc.) back in the bc era. There's been ideas that they somehow knew enough about the earth to build these paramids that would give them useable energy (electricity) due to the earths natural magentic field and all that. There's a lot of unexplained things throughout history that we really need to find out.

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