*NEWS BREAK* < New England - Patriots caught cheating using cameras >

With spying accusations leveled this week against the Patriots, some of the Eagles left from the NFC title team are wondering if New England used bootleg film to their advantage in the Super Bowl.

"Do I think about it? Mmm hmmm," said Brown, their starting cornerback. "It's crazy. I just don't know how far back it goes. Something's not right about that."


Pro Bowl safety Brian Dawkins found the accusations troublesome.

"Now there's always going to be questions about the situation," Dawkins said Thursday. "Was it great adjustments at halftime or what?"

Pittsburgh wide receiver Hines Ward said this week that he suspected the Patriots had some type of inside information on the Steelers before at least one of the teams' two AFC championship game matchups since the 2001 season. While Ward said the Patriots knew a lot of Pittsburgh's calls, none of the Eagles could offer any type of solid proof of any shenanigans.

On Thursday, New England coach Bill Belichick was fined the NFL maximum of $500,000 and the Patriots were ordered to pay $250,000 for spying on an opponent's defensive signals. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell also ordered the team to give up next year's first-round draft choice if it reaches the playoffs and second- and third-round picks if it doesn't.

"I would like to think it's just one team doing it, but it doesn't shock me that it happened," Dawkins said.

Some Eagles said occasional signal-stealing is an accepted part of the game. But they believe what the Patriots are accused of doing crosses the football morality line because it threatens the integrity of the game.

"It's different if you're talking about recording it," Dawkins said. "What can you do if you try to signal a play in?"

"I think they should forfeit, man," said punt returner Reno Mahe, smiling. "We won the Super Bowl. I think we should get it. I'm going to go trade my NFC championship ring for a Super Bowl ring."

The headline over a picture of Belichick on the back page of Thursday's Philadelphia Daily News might have said it all: "Counterfeit RING: Spy Scandal Helps Explain Birds' Super Bowl Loss."

Hey, maybe the illicit tape would show once and for all if Donovan McNabb really did get sick in the huddle late in the game. Remember, that was Philadelphia's first excuse for losing.

McNabb -- who insisted the Eagles would never stoop to those kind of tactics -- was surprised to hear the allegations against the Patriots. But he said the suspicions might be overblown.

"One thing people are forgetting is that even if you have the answers to the test, you still have to take the test," he said. "If they have an idea of what's coming, those guys still have to be able to execute the play."

That doesn't mean McNabb won't clear some space in his jewelry box. For a city that last saw a pro team win a championship nearly 25 years ago, the Eagles might accept a retroactive one.

"Maybe we'll get our ring back," said a chuckling McNabb. "Maybe we'll get the real one."


FUCKEN CHEATERS!!! >:mad

I FWOCKEN HATE PEOPLE/TEAMS WHO CHEAT.... FUCK' EM I SAY THEY MAKE THEM RETURN THE DAMN! TROPHY. FORFEIT THAT MUTHAFUCKER...

OH! YEAH and all those talks about Brady being the next Montana and Brady being of the best has just gone down the fwocken drain.
FUCK THE PATRIOTS AND FUCK BRADY. >:mad

I think the same thing happened to The Vikings in 2000 when they lost to NY Giants 41-0 in the NFC championship.

I think this has been going on for some time.

I was gonna put 'The 49ERS where cheated when thet lost in _______ Super Bowl'

Then I realized we've never lost a bowl game. 8)

So the Patriots would of won 28-14 instead of 38-14. The Jets weren't going to stop Randy Moss anyway. Truth be told I don't give a damn about the Patriots or Brady being the next Montana anyway. It's all about the Broncos and Cutler being the next Elway. Denver all the way.

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I was gonna put 'The 49ERS where cheated when thet lost in _______ Super Bowl'

Then I realized we've never lost a bowl game. 8)

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I was bitter when the 9er's wom Sunday night, Mick. I know they're your squad, but I was cheering against them that night. I won't let it happen again.

First off mick cc. Brady is crap cheating allegations or not. Ward says this may date back to the '01 playoffs. That means not only did they need a new rule invented to win a game, but they also needed stolen signs and they still only won the superbowl by a last second field goal (3 TIMES!)? I know he's a 7th round pick and all but what the fuck? I do worry about him now tho. Brian Dawkins is one mean looking mfer. Dudes eyes are way more intimidating than any boxer i've ever seen. Make them return all 3 trophies. Winning 3 superbowls by 3 points each time is a dynasty of mediocrity *and cheating apparently).

BG, I realize you are a viking fan but you really can't put something like that past them. They've been known to do shit like that.

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It's all about the Broncos and Cutler being the next Elway. Denver all the way.

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So you're saying San Francisco is going to crush the Broncos in the Super Bowl before Cutler wins a couple 10 years later? ;D

And I don't really care about this, it's not like you can relay those signs in real time.

Tom Brady is a savage though. Only fitting he be from the Bay Area 8)

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I was gonna put 'The 49ERS where cheated when thet lost in _______ Super Bowl'

Then I realized we've never lost a bowl game. 8)

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I was bitter when the 9er's wom Sunday night, Mick. I know they're your squad, but I was cheering against them that night. I won't let it happen again.

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Why you little shitt head. >:mad

Silverback you've dissowned me and therefor you have dissowned yourself. ;D

Don't let it happen again. :)

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So you're saying San Francisco is going to crush the Broncos in the Super Bowl before Cutler wins a couple 10 years later? ;D

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It's all about the Broncos and Cutler being the next Elway. Denver all the way.

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So you're saying San Francisco is going to crush the Broncos in the Super Bowl before Cutler wins a couple 10 years later? ;D

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As sorry as the 49ers have been for the last couple of years, I don't blame you for living in the past. Alex Smith couldn't carry Jay Cutler's jock strap.

Competition breeds cheating. I don't know why this is such a huge surprise. Kind of like steroids. You push the limits to win. Two kinds these days: cheaters and losers. But don't think pushing ethics is anything new, cheating has been a part of competitiveness since it began.
I watch racing alot (I know it is a different sport and some would argue not a sprt at all) but, if a team doesn't get busted for cheating ever, I think its an indication they aren't trying hard enough.

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It's all about the Broncos and Cutler being the next Elway. Denver all the way.

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So you're saying San Francisco is going to crush the Broncos in the Super Bowl before Cutler wins a couple 10 years later? ;D

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As sorry as the 49ers have been for the last couple of years, I don't blame you for living in the past. Alex Smith couldn't carry Jay Cutler's jock strap.

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That's right....

So last year when the Broncos were playing for their playoff lives and the 9ers were playing for nothing...I guess Alex Smith just outshined Cutler because he was so inferior. Right ;D

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Competition breeds cheating. I don't know why this is such a huge surprise. Kind of like steroids. You push the limits to win. Two kinds these days: cheaters and losers. But don't think pushing ethics is anything new, cheating has been a part of competitiveness since it began.

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I agree with this 100%

Especially when people have been on top for awhile and will do anything to stay there.

CC VD for supporting Cutler! :)

I see this whole situation as something that the public and media is making a huge deal out of.. Yes, they lugged some equipment on the field to steal signals and what not, but look at it this way.. In baseball, the third base coach and the manager are giving signs to the player batting and players on base. It would be the same as if you video taped those signs and analyzed them. I mean, EVERYONE in the ballpark can see these signals, but only the players know the cipher. If an MLB manager decided to video tape those signals, and analyzed them and figured it out, then really who's fault is that. I say it's the teams fault for not changing up their signs. Even when i played baseball we had new signs every game.

Either way, next year they're probably going to pass the rule to allow defensive captains to have radio's in their helmet and this will be forgotten about. I just feel that when you say what happened, it sounds a lot worse than it is.. Everyone in the stadium can see these signals, but Belicheck decided to record and analyze them.. and according to his interpretation of the rulebook, he felt that he could do that.

A lot of people talk about how it really doesn't mean much but its just common sense, if it means nothing why do it? Especially after the NFL just made a big deal about warning people not to do it. Apparently there's more to it, like offensive coordinator's headsets all of a sudden jamming during important moments when teams have to play at New England.

Belichick's statement was a joke. He misinterpreted the rule? The rule that says you can't film ANYTHING on the sideline, especially not the other team's signals? That's a real vague rule, I can understand Belichick's trouble in figuring that one out ::** Arrogant cunt.

In the end the punishment is not that harsh. Its not like its their only first round pick, they had two, they have a shitload of picks stocked up for this year. 250,000 to the organization is like a couple bucks to most of us. 500,000 for Belichick sounds bad but he's loaded, and its not like it matters either way cause I'm sure the Patriots will end up paying it.