Miguel Cotto is vastly over-rated (experiment time)
After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.
On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?
Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.
De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.
Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.
Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.
All hype i tell ya ;)
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Originally Posted by ono
After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.
On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?
Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.
De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.
Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.
Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.
All hype i tell ya ;)
Ono, come on. I am not one to say that Cotto would beat up Floyd, though I think he has as good a chance as any, but you are really talking some serious shite here.
Torres gave Cotto some tough rounds yes but Cotto was defenately not strugling to win that fight. And Corely? You've got to be kidding. He landed one good punch and pretty much got his ass kicked for the rest of the fight, which was not long. And if you want to compare Mayweather to Cotto, I don't think you should bring Corley into the discussion.
Judah ain't passed it, he just was'nt that good to begin with and even a passed it Mosely is better than most welterweights out there.
Asside from that, yes I agree some people overrate Cotto but he still is pretty damn good. I expect another big year for him, by the end of it he will eather be THE MAN at 147 (either by fighting PBF or by PBF retireing) or have his first loss.
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I've been going against him and he keeps winning so I'm gonna lay off, but he has a suspect chin to me, that being one of his few weaknesses. His skills are improving but I still wouldnt pick him over Mayweather anytime soon.
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When i saw the Torres fight, i was convinced Cotto was a face-first baffoon. Despite the work i see him put in against Bailey.
I said he'd wind up another 'Gatti'. Not so bad really but hardly elliet.
But know i can see he has come on a fiar bit since his later Light Wleter days.... He seems to have adjusted to the gradual increase in skill he's had to encounted. I mean his display against Mosley was far from domination but who would of thought....?
Well.... The Cotto fans knew the score but that just goes to show, their onto something...
Im keeping my eyes on you Cotto fans :cwm13:
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Cotto is very good. Mosley and Judah on the trot is no easy task.
I wanna see him against Williams or Mayweather. I see both beating him though.
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Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan
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Originally Posted by ono
After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.
On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?
Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.
De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.
Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.
Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.
All hype i tell ya ;)
Ono, come on. I am not one to say that Cotto would beat up Floyd, though I think he has as good a chance as any, but you are really talking some serious shite here.
Torres gave Cotto some tough rounds yes but Cotto was defenately not strugling to win that fight. And Corely? You've got to be kidding. He landed one good punch and pretty much got his a** kicked for the rest of the fight, which was not long. And if you want to compare Mayweather to Cotto, I don't think you should bring Corley into the discussion.
Judah ain't passed it, he just was'nt that good to begin with and even a passed it Mosely is better than most welterweights out there.
Asside from that, yes I agree some people overrate Cotto but he still is pretty damn good. I expect another big year for him, by the end of it he will eather be THE MAN at 147 (either by fighting PBF or by PBF retireing) or have his first loss.
Agreed with Rookie, he might not be on Floyd's level but who the hell is. Cotto's record stands up to just as much scrutiny as a few names in the p4p top 10, so he does have a legitimate shout to be in there.
Your main argument is that he struggled in two fights in his previous weight class, a few years ago now, well guess what, the guy considered no 2 in the world has K.O. losses from years ago at a previous weight class.
If someone were to say that Cotto is already a legendary fighter then that would be overrating him, but most of his fans rate him similar to where Rookiefan rates him which isn't unreasonable by any means.
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Originally Posted by ono
After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.
Whoever think Cotto would destroy PBF is delusional. PBFs speed and ability alone are enough to give Cotto trouble. Not to mention his knew profound power that he's suddenly found at this higher weights.
But you can bet your ass I'm rooting for Cotto alll the way.
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Originally Posted by ono
On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?
Can ask who has Cotto listed in their Top 5 P4P fighters? I'd like to laugh at them myself.
Cottos just hit top 10 and theres room for an arguement there. I personally would say Cottos #7.
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Originally Posted by ono
Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.
Struggling isn't what a P4P fighter does?
What the hell? So you think SRR never struggled with anyone?
PBF struggled with JLC and actually lost to him IMO?
P4P can not only struggle but P4P fighters can actually loose and still be P4P.
Who else has Torres beat well Holt was a prominent name and top contender himself good skills.
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De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.
Corely stunned BOTH Cotto & PBF when he fought them. ;)
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Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.
This is the funny part here that Cotto DIDN'T need to fight Paulie if he didn't want to. Cotto had been struggling making 140 around the Torres fight and had already contemplated moving up. But guess what Paulie opened his big mouth and said he'd dance circles around Cotto. Now Cotto could have said OK well good for you and moved on but he didn't he stood at 140 for one more fight to give Paulie his shot. Cottos a fighter and regardless of how you think he will fare against an opponent ones things for sure he's in the ring to win and nothing more.
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Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.
I agree that neither one was in their prime especially Zab and I was the only one on here argueing that people would not credit Cotto with a Zab win. I argued this point to the death with people here before the fight.
SSM well you gotta look at how he had been performing that's fine if you want to discredit the Vargas fights but did you see that Collazo performance? That was a testiment to the old school SSM. Fast hands good movement picking his shots making Collazo miss going to the body.
So although SSM wasn't in his prime he had been performing up to par with the best around.
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All hype i tell ya ;)
I think someone just told 'ya 8)
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I don't think cotto is quite as bad as mentioned but he's no where near floyd. Just my opinion. I like cotto but a cotto/floyd fight will be just like all the rest. Cotto will be the current anti-floyd saviour there will be a bunch of trash talk maybe even another silly 24/7 thing he will loose and the next hopeful will take his place till floyd decides to really retire.
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Originally Posted by Mar
I don't think cotto is quite as bad as mentioned but he's no where near floyd. Just my opinion. I like cotto but a cotto/floyd fight will be just like all the rest. Cotto will be the current anti-floyd saviour there will be a bunch of trash talk maybe even another silly 24/7 thing he will loose and the next hopeful will take his place till floyd decides to really retire.
Mar, if PBF fights Cotto this year he beats Cotto but if PBF really decides to fight Cotto until 2009 like he said he would take off 2 years I'm going all in on Cotto.
Time passing by just favors the younger and more busier Cotto I can't see how being off for 2 years from the ring will help PBF more then anything it will hurt PBF.
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Is Floyd really getting mixed up in MMA???
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If Floyd took off 2 years I bet he would have to come back as light middle or middleweight. 2 yrs layoff would seriously hurt him.
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If Floyd took off 2 years I bet he would have to come back as light middle or middleweight. 2 yrs layoff would seriously hurt him.
I'm sure he wont loose his training habbits...
When he said 2 years off the ring I'm assuming he just ment fighting and not shutting off the lights of his gym and not working out. Athletes like him are workaholics being in the gym and working out is part of everyday life to them.
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Originally Posted by Mar
I don't think cotto is quite as bad as mentioned but he's no where near floyd. Just my opinion. I like cotto but a cotto/floyd fight will be just like all the rest. Cotto will be the current anti-floyd saviour there will be a bunch of trash talk maybe even another silly 24/7 thing he will loose and the next hopeful will take his place till floyd decides to really retire.
Mar, if PBF fights Cotto this year he beats Cotto but if PBF really decides to fight Cotto until 2009 like he said he would take off 2 years I'm going all in on Cotto.
Time passing by just favors the younger and more busier Cotto I can't see how being off for 2 years from the ring will help PBF more then anything it will hurt PBF.
Thats if Cotto is still undefeated in 2009 . Floyd might be kept in cold storage but there are afew threats for Cotto to be keeping busy against .
Paul Williams I think may launch an assult on the p4p ratings in 2008 and join Cotto and Floyd as 1 of the premier fighters of world boxing .
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Originally Posted by ono
After reading all of the posts on here about how Cotto would destroy Mayweather i have finally plucked up the courage to show you guys that Miguel Cotto is nothing but a fraud.
On paper he does have some good wins but do you really think that he has done enough to be in the top 5 p4p?
Are you all forgetting how badly he struggled with Torres and Corley? That isn't what a p4p fighter does. Ok Torres was vicious but come on.....who else has Torres beaten? A bunch of guys from Colombia.
De-Marcus Corley.....well let's not even go there.
Even in the Maliganaggi fight, Cotto was hurt and Malignaggi can't punch.
Judah and Shane are good wins but even them two are past it.
All hype i tell ya ;)
I think your forgetting that his fights with Corley, Torres, Paulie. Were all at Jr Welterweight where he was much weaker and didn't have the punch resistance he has at Welterweight now. Plus he is much stronger at Welterweight, it makes me laugh when people bring up these fights when Cotto said personally he wasn't comfortable at the weight, and he has shown he has much better punch resistance at Welterweight.
And as for Torres you do know that he almost had 100 percent KO record when Cotto fought him right ?? so he is obviously a massive puncher and can rock anyone with 1 punch, add to the fact that Cotto's punch resistance wasn't good at Jr Welterweight based on not being comfortable at the weight. And Cotto will get wobbled numerous times thats pretty obvious. And you do know that Torres is the current WBO Jr Welterweight champion right ?? so he can't be that bad.
As for Corley he can wobble anyone with 1 punch as Floyd Mayweather Jr found out. Plus Corley was a former Jr Welterweight champion and gave Zab Judah 12 tough rounds. Do you even know the history on Corley or Torres ?? because by what your implying your basically saying there nobodies/journeymans. When thats not true at all both men have held World titles and both men have been in there with solid opposition.
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Originally Posted by GAME
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Originally Posted by Mar
I don't think cotto is quite as bad as mentioned but he's no where near floyd. Just my opinion. I like cotto but a cotto/floyd fight will be just like all the rest. Cotto will be the current anti-floyd saviour there will be a bunch of trash talk maybe even another silly 24/7 thing he will loose and the next hopeful will take his place till floyd decides to really retire.
Mar, if PBF fights Cotto this year he beats Cotto but if PBF really decides to fight Cotto until 2009 like he said he would take off 2 years I'm going all in on Cotto.
Time passing by just favors the younger and more busier Cotto I can't see how being off for 2 years from the ring will help PBF more then anything it will hurt PBF.
Thats if Cotto is still undefeated in 2009 . Floyd might be kept in cold storage but there are afew threats for Cotto to be keeping busy against .
Paul Williams I think may launch an assult on the p4p ratings in 2008 and join Cotto and Floyd as 1 of the premier fighters of world boxing .
Right on GAME I'm sure he'll be busy you also have his 'Mandatorys' & other champs.
But my moneys on that Cotto goes all the way to 2009 udefeated (@ Welter) unless he moves up in weight I can't see him loosing to Margarito or Cintron. Williams IMO posses the most trouble for him.
