Poll: Pavlik vs Abraham- Who Wins now?

Pavlik vs Abraham - Who wins now?

Even before Pavliks loss to Hopkins, I thought an Abraham match was a pick'em fight though I slightly favour Pavlik and still do.

Abraham is a hard man to nail, as his defence is superb, but his high hands often mean his output suffers. He is great at looking for the huge counterpunch which worked well against Edison Miranda.

Abraham can be outworked and this is where Pavlik wins it. He has too use his natural size advantages and keep the fight at long distance.

But with these two - one punch could turn the fight on its head as they both have awesome power.

With Pavliks WBC and WBO titles on the line along with Abrahams IBF, it is the biggest fight at Middleweight and is a possibility for early next year.

Who wins and Why in your opinion?

I was thinking about this last night and im leaning towards Arthur not because of what Hopkins did to Pavlik but what Arthur did to Miranda.

Abrahams is a more stand up in your face fighter that uses his gloves to not get hit instead of his feet. Pavlik has a shot as Abrahams will be there to be hit. Trouble is if Abrahams decides to move Pavliks plod will see him get another beating.

Abrahams also hits hard and Pavlik is chinny.

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Abrahams is a more stand up in your face fighter that uses his gloves to not get hit instead of his feet. Pavlik has a shot as Abrahams will be there to be hit. Trouble is if Abrahams decides to move Pavliks plod will see him get another beating.

Abrahams also hits hard and Pavlik is chinny.

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Wouldn't say Pavlik is chinny mate.

pavlik i a future great at middleweight ifd he stays there. thats my opinon and prediction, he will beat anyone at 160. he was flat against hopkins the same way hopkins took trinidad to school by outbiozing him and with the move up in weight, neither of them really stood a chance. taking nothing away from hopkins however he is a fantastic fighter for his age. pavlik to rule 160 for least the next 4 years if he stays, abraham a very good fighter but not active enough to make pavlik go away

I slightly favoured Abraham before so certainly haven't changed my opinion now.

Pavlik will probably be fed two or three gimmes before he's stepped up in class again.. so could be a while for this fight, if it happens.

I see Pavlik having trouble with defensive minded fighters! he looked great against Taylor and Miranda two offensive minded fighters but struggled when Taylor changed to a more defensive game plan and lost to Hopkins who is a defensive boss! I think he struggles to find a way through Abraham and also feels Abrahams power; If Pavlik learns to move laterally though he knocks out Abraham.

I still favor Pavlik over Abraham.

Abraham is a very good fighter, but he ain't Bernard Hopkins.

I don't think Pavlick will ver be the same fighter again! He looked like a lost kid after the Hopkins fight, it was like he realized that he isn't as good as he believed he was. I would've called this one 50-50 before the B-Hop fight, now I go with Abrahams no doubt

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Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Abrahams is a more stand up in your face fighter that uses his gloves to not get hit instead of his feet. Pavlik has a shot as Abrahams will be there to be hit. Trouble is if Abrahams decides to move Pavliks plod will see him get another beating.

Abrahams also hits hard and Pavlik is chinny.

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Abraham's not much of a mover, pretty flat footed really, obviously not comparable to Hopkins' movement.

I still favor Pavlik slightly as a Hopkins fight has absolutely no bearing on an Abraham (unless as Big H says Pavlik's mentally damaged by the fight). I could also see Abraham catching him with something big, still go with Pavlik though.

Either Pavlik by decision or Abraham by Tko.

I am edging towards Abraham though.

It'll be a good fight and a pick 'em, like some said Abraham doesn't have the footwork to make Pavlik overreach like Hopkins, but he's also a tougher nut to crack than Miranda/Taylor. We'll see against Rubio if there's any lasting damage to Kelly's confidence. IMO Kelly's a slow starter (except the Mirand fight where they had a game plane and executed it perfectly), took him some rounds to get the distance right with Taylor, and even with Lockett he need to gauge the distance right before unloading, he just never got the chance to get the distance right against the slick old man.

I said before the Bernard Hopkins fight its a tough fight for Kelly Pavlik, because of Arthur Abraham's toughness, defense, power. The problem is Arthur Abraham goes into a shell quite alot, and when he is going into shell he doesn't move or etc.

So he gives Kelly Pavlik chances to land on him at will, and although all of Kelly Pavlik's punches might not land. Atleast some of them will be getting through Arthur Abraham's guard, and he will be outworking him. Close fight though unless like BIG H said Kelly Pavlik is mentally ruined, which could be the case.

I'd still pick pavlik...

Pavlik wins. Let's remember the Hopkins fight was at 170, Pavlik no way was at his best at that weight. At 160 he is awesome.