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I'm still not sold on him. In the fight with Vanda he was taking some flush shots as usual. His defense his real sloppy. One bout that sticks in my mind is the Celaya bout. He got pretty exposed there before he came back and won. And I didn't like the way he was dropping his hands towards the final rounds agaisnt Vanda, he got caught again by shots when he done that. And Vanda is only medicore at best. I'm pretty certain when he steps up he's gonna get exposed big time.
The fact that he had to rematch fighters like Matt Vanda, Carlos Molina, in the first place shows he is nothing more than an overhyped prospect. Who is only a name because of what his father achieved.Quote:
Originally Posted by leftylee
It's rare these days that I agree with Ice on anything it seems but in this case I do.
i'd also like to remind you both what a fantastic fighter Joe Calzaghe is :)
He would have been a behemoth under Warren.
Chavez defence is pretty standard.....power overrated and fed stiffs. He has found his level and will not be pushed too hard to fight any one of the champions.
Job Biscuit (Nice body shots)!!!
eh eh!!!
He needs to fight someone who anyone knows...
...until then, he'll still be living off daddy's name
agree, hes a daddys boi, he should atleast fight for some kinda belt but if he does hel get sparked like Amir Khan ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by caleoh12
Here's an article by Kevin Iole, that sums it up pretty well.
Chavez Jr. needs to deliver more - Boxing - Yahoo! Sports
oh yeah hes gonna get his ass whooped when he fights a legit opponent.hes overrated on paper.look at his record lol.;D but the great thing is this guy is just 21.not a single amateur fight under his belt,.maybe we should just imagine his fights as 10 rounded amateur fights minus the headgear. ;D or perhaps think he's probably just starting his 'pro' career right now.that way we don't have to crap all over him and his beautiful name ;) to me..for an amateur,,he's doing pretty good
he lacks power to go to the very top
he's 22....almost 40 fights.
He's got so much left in his career.
Just be greatful that we have someone in the sport willing to fight as often as he does regardless of the comp.
His time may or may not come, but in the mean time, it's best that he use his youth perfecting his craft instead of trying to prove critics wrong. He'll only get better as he continues foward and he's still got some maturing to do. Why are people so eager to see him step it up, it's obvious he's not ready yet (you all admit it when pointing out he'll lose to real opp), so why would he fight a real opp when he's not suited to do so just yet?
He'll step it up when he's ready.. and obviously now isn't the time.
How many times does it have to be said that he has no amateur career whatsoever, no olympic exposure, no golden gloves, etc. He was just a teenager when he put those gloves on and up he went to the ring to face the pros. A pro normally will have more than 100 fights experience, many will have olympic exposure, golden gloves, etc. JCC jr has NONE. So even if he faced a pro with one fight, that guy would still have more than 100 of experience compared to JCC jr.
Actually, it is not THAT BAD that he's knocking off guys left and right considering his LIMITED EXPERIENCE. JCC jr. is actually an amateur with 30+ fights experience fighting guys with way more experience and exposure. Julio Cesar Chavez also went straight to the pros when he was a teenager and look how far he got. A total boxing legend, hall of famer, and all kinds of achievements in the ring.
Do the math, any guy that fights a big name or for a championship usually does it around their 20th-30th fight, which is about 130+ fights of experience plus all the other activiities (olympics, golden gloves, jr olympics, etc.). Even if JCC jr. fights for his first belt on fight #50, it would be pretty much like an amateur with 50 fights facing a champion (with all the experience they have already). It's not thaaaaat bad really.
I sometimes think that if he didn't have the last name "Chavez" people would be all supportive about him and rooting for him.
You're never going to be completely objective about this... so you're not going to face the obvious facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino
Fact #1:
Junior's record should NOT be compared straight up with the typical fighter's record. Amateur experience or not, Junior's record has been padded by dead bodies. It's hardly fair to compare his wins and losses against someone who DID have an amateur career and now has 30-40 wins against REAL competition.
Fact #2:
Were Junior just another "Joe Blow", the boxing governing bodies would've DEMANDED by now that he step up the level of competition. But since he's the son of the ever-present and slightly overbearing Senior, no one dares interfere.
Fact #3:
There are MUCH more deserving fighters that should merit PPV fights ahead of Junior. But again, no one dares mention this to Papa Chavez.
Junior is free to pursue a professional career in any way he chooses. Just don't push his bloated record in our faces and call him the next great Mexican legend, because he's not. And BECAUSE of the way he's being pampered and brought along, I personally can't wait until a fighter with a pulse beats his overrated ass.
shouldnt chavez jr. be his ownboss instea of ansering to arum?? makes sense to me:
His own man, Chavez Jr. takes aim at title fight - Las Vegas Sun
If he wasn't ready and now isn't the time to step it up then he shouldn't headline PPV's.Quote:
Originally Posted by intoccabile
Chavez Jr. deserves criticism. His promoters have routinely charged boxing fans to see him fight when they should have been building his name and developing his career. He didn't turn down the PPV cards or the money that came along with them. To be sure, he has shown himself to be complacent and completely willing to trade on his father's name. He should have carved his own niche; he chose not to - thus, he deserves the criticism.