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Well the first time I saw it I thought Bute was ok to continue. That was only because I didnt see his eyes when he got up at about 8.5 seconds by my count. If the ref would have stayed right there and looked at his condition I can't say Bute would have been able to respond correctly. Ref had a totally wrong count.
yep, he was gone. Does anybody know if Andrade is getting the rematch ?
Eventhough he was out boxed/judge in most of the fight he would have an psycological advantage :cool: if they meet againg
Just thinking about this fight pisses me off. One of the most obvious instances of corruption that I've seen in Boxing.
If I were Andrade in the rematch I would insist before the fight that the ref watch for excessive holding. I think the fight would have taken on a completely different tone had that not been allowed. Bute would have been kayoed 2-3 rounds sooner.
I think Bute won the fight as the ref indicated...It was close at the end and the ref had to make a split second decision and the outcome is the outcome....
If the ref had stopped the fight I am sure there would have been a contingent that said he should not have stepped in and stopped the fight ala taylor/chavez...........Bute did get up before a count of 10...
In close fights I am not going to sit here and nit pick a decision by the refs, the fighters need to take the fight out of the refs hands, if they dont do that than they cant complain about the decision....
Defiantly do not want to kick this one off again but Did Andrade appear sluggish and weighty to any one else last time out?Needs that unbridled,unrelenting pressure...take even the slightest chance of needing a few more seconds out of the 'officials' hands.Then again,it was all stacked against him in Butes backyard....sort of like going into a knife fight with a spreader knife.
See below.
That's how I feel, by the letter of the law (the IBF championship rules), the ref did the right thing. I really don't understand the outcry about it. The long count doesn't matter because Bute was up before a regular 10 count anyways, and the rules state that if a fighter is KD'd at the end of a fight, with less than 10 seconds remaining, all that has to happen is his gloves must both be off the canvas by a count of ten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
If thats the case, at the end of the round than it's Bute's win, I was under the impression when you can't be saved by the bell you have to do the normal gloves up walk forward any knockdown even the last 2. seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThat's how I feel, by the letter of the law (the IBF championship rules), the ref did the right thing. I really don't understand the outcry about it. The long count doesn't matter because Bute was up before a regular 10 count anyways, and the rules state that if a fighter is KD'd at the end of a fight, with less than 10 seconds remaining, all that has to happen is his gloves must both be off the canvas by a count of ten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
I'll try and find the rule for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestIf thats the case, at the end of the round than it's Bute's win, I was under the impression when you can't be saved by the bell you have to do the normal gloves up walk forward any knockdown even the last 2. seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFHThat's how I feel, by the letter of the law (the IBF championship rules), the ref did the right thing. I really don't understand the outcry about it. The long count doesn't matter because Bute was up before a regular 10 count anyways, and the rules state that if a fighter is KD'd at the end of a fight, with less than 10 seconds remaining, all that has to happen is his gloves must both be off the canvas by a count of ten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hunter
Rule 6:
The bell will not save a boxer in any round of the bout. If a boxer is "downed" just before the 3-minute bell in any round, the referee's count shall continue and the bell will not ring until the boxer rises and his hands clear the floor.
http://www.ibf-usba-boxing.com/userf...ut%20Rules.pdf
As soon as his gloves cleared the floor, the fight was over, regardless of whether or not Bute was able to continue.
And for the record, I was cheering for Andrade. I thought Bute was allowed to hold and foul all fight. However, the actions of the ref at the end of the fight were justified. The long count is immaterial, because Bute's gloves cleared the floor before a normal 10 count would have been completed.
I do think there needs to be a rematch in a neutral location with a different, impartial ref.
I don't know. When I saw the fight I didn't it was that bad, people were saying he got a 23 second count, and all that type of BS, but it wasn't even close to that long, and I am saying this as a person who wanted Andrade to win that fight, Bute is an overrated piece of...
I wouldn't call Bute underrated. I thought he was brilliant with his speed and combinations. My only complaint against him was the excessive holding.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARs8axyaDz0
Watch here though with 20 seconds left Bute is unable to defend himself, he cannot hold his hands up and clearly cannot stand on his own power.