Mosley looked like he was on steroids, he was the terminator

I watched the fight between mosley and margarito, mosley looked like he was pumped up, he was never like that strong against cotto or mayorga. Something ain't right, he looked to pumped up for a 37 year old fighter. Check-out the weigh-in, he looked like a jock compared to margarito. I believe his again back to his old ways, found a steroid undetectable at the moment. I Just think it just doesn't add up. He looked like the terminator at that fight not the other way around. He made Margarito look weak. It's steroids I tell, to pumped for a 37 year old. I won't discredit him if he had that reputation of being a strong guy but his not that strong. Why only now??? Geez, theirs some kind of performance enhance drugs he did it before he can do it again. Those who are skeptics, look at the weigh-in pix, Mosley look like his in his prime. Geez something fishy going on here.

i watched mosley's previous fights but his stamina is different this time. he's strong round 1 to round 6 but beyond these rounds he can't hardly punch, he will rest for at least 2 to 3 rounds and come back again.

I believe both margarito and mosley cheated that night. Marga for his handwraps and mosley for his roids. So there both evenly matched. The best man won in that circumstance lol..

I'm just very much a sKeptic about Mosley, he has tainted his legacy when he got caught taking illlegal substance when he faced Dlh. I'm not discrediting Hopkins demolition over Pavlick. Hopkins never got caught and is very disciplined. Hopkins is a true clean boxer and takes care of himself, but for Mosley case as the saying goes, 'a killer can always kill again', a 'thief can always steal again', 'a cheater can always cheat again'. Hence mosley's performance in the ring will forever be tainted everytime he steps in the ring.

Their are certain performance enhance drugs that are undetectable at the moment, science is playing catch up to detect it. Knowing Mosley got away when he fought Delahoya. I'm sure he has the sources on where to get the best illegal substance currently undetectable at the moment. The question is where is he getting it?

Erythropoietin
Pharmacological cheating in sports is not a new phenomenon. Unfortunately, the modern era has witnessed explosive growth in new and different ways to achieve false victory. Advances in biochemistry, medicine, and other fields have benefited humanity in countless ways. Sadly, however, some have abused these advances for, “pursuit of victory at all cost”. A recent article by Dr. Timothy Noakes (1) highlights the breadth and depth of the problem. He discusses several “cheating venues”, but for this article I wish to focus on one, erythropoietin.


Erythropoietin (pronounced, ah-rith-ro-poy-tin, and abbreviated, EPO) is a relatively recent entry into the deceitful pursuit of glory. EPO is a protein hormone produced by the kidney. After being released into the blood stream it binds with receptors in the bone marrow, where it stimulates the production of red blood cells (erythrocytes). Medically, EPO is used to treat certain forms of anemia (e.g., due to chronic kidney failure). Logically, since EPO accelerates erythrocyte production it also increases oxygen carrying capacity. This fact did not long escape notice of the athletic community.
Blood doping is the process of artificially increasing the amount of red blood cells in the body in an attempt to improve athletic performance. In the past this was accomplished by transfusion. The athlete would “donate” a unit of blood into storage and then 3 weeks later, after the body had completely replaced the blood loss, transfuse the unit back into the body. This would occur just before a big race, effectively giving the athlete an “extra” unit of blood. This enables performance improvements in endurance sports because of the extra oxygen carrying capacity. The practice has been outlawed. Not just because it is unfair but because of the dangers involved.

EPO has put a whole new spin on blood doping. No need for messy transfusions, just shoot up with EPO to increase your circulating erythrocyte mass. Until recently accurate testing has been difficult because the recombinant human EPO made in the lab is virtually identical to the naturally occurring form and there are no firmly established normal ranges for EPO in the body. The only previously available route to curtail cheating for sports governing bodies was to ban an athlete if the hematocrit (see side bar) level was too high (e.g., above 50%). Thus, over the past 10 – 15 years some athletes chose to cheat because, as long as they kept their hematocrit levels below 50%, there seemed little risk of getting caught. Of course the other way to get caught was highlighted in the disastrous 1998 Tour de France. Several team doctors and personnel from several teams were caught red-handed with thousands of doses of EPO and other banned substances. Ultimately about 50% of the teams withdrew from the race – either for cheating or in protest.

Fortunately, testing technology has now caught up and promises to stem the tide of abuse. There is now an accurate urine test that can detect the differences between normal and synthetic EPO. This test is now the standard and was the sole means to detect for EPO use in the 2004 Athens Olympic Games. The reliability of this test helps explain the cascade of athletes who have been caught and, subsequently, banned from competition. This surge in positive tests will likely decline as the “word” gets out and EPO use declines -- at least until someone figures out a work-around. Of course, there is always the next great pharmacologic or genetic cheat just lurking around the corner to consider.

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Originally Posted by Spoon23

I watched the fight between mosley and margarito, mosley looked like he was pumped up, he was never like that strong against cotto or mayorga. Something ain't right, he looked to pumped up for a 37 year old fighter. Check-out the weigh-in, he looked like a jock compared to margarito. I believe his again back to his old ways, found a steroid undetectable at the moment. I Just think it just doesn't add up. He looked like the terminator at that fight not the other way around. He made Margarito look weak. It's steroids I tell, to pumped for a 37 year old. I won't discredit him if he had that reputation of being a strong guy but his not that strong. Why only now??? Geez, I can see Pacman fighting margarito coz he can out skill and out speed margarito, but mosley geez I fear for pacmans life he looked unstoppable. Obviously theirs some kind of performance enhance drugs just thankful Delahoya didn't use any of those during their fight. Those who are skeptics, look at the weigh-in pix, Mosley look like his in his prime. Geez something fishy going on here. Just don't want Pacman fighting him. But what will happen to pac after he defeats hatton? Mayweather just talked and said he doesn't want to fight no more and is passing the torch to pac and marga. Then who's next for pac after hatton? Mosley??? NO freekn' way!!!! Pac should knock-out Hatton earlier than when mayweather knocked out hatton so he can call out may and a have the fight, but if pac goes for the ud, I don't think mayweather will come out. He will just say, "look I destroyed hatton Pac can only u.d. him" why should i fight him. So that is the dilemma guys... Who's next after hatton??? logical one is marquez but, for me marquez is 50/50 bout. Their like fire and ice they cancel each other out. And it just doesn't make pacman that great fighting him. I want mayweather to come out and pacman defeats him to close out his great career. I just hope pac can knock-out hatton early. So he can call out money may and stop his ranting for good!!!!

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you are an absolute retard fuck off

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Originally Posted by Spoon23

I watched the fight between mosley and margarito, mosley looked like he was pumped up, he was never like that strong against cotto or mayorga. Something ain't right, he looked to pumped up for a 37 year old fighter. Check-out the weigh-in, he looked like a jock compared to margarito. I believe his again back to his old ways, found a steroid undetectable at the moment. I Just think it just doesn't add up. He looked like the terminator at that fight not the other way around. He made Margarito look weak. It's steroids I tell, to pumped for a 37 year old. I won't discredit him if he had that reputation of being a strong guy but his not that strong. Why only now??? Geez, I can see Pacman fighting margarito coz he can out skill and out speed margarito, but mosley geez I fear for pacmans life he looked unstoppable. Obviously theirs some kind of performance enhance drugs just thankful Delahoya didn't use any of those during their fight. Those who are skeptics, look at the weigh-in pix, Mosley look like his in his prime. Geez something fishy going on here. Just don't want Pacman fighting him. But what will happen to pac after he defeats hatton? Mayweather just talked and said he doesn't want to fight no more and is passing the torch to pac and marga. Then who's next for pac after hatton? Mosley??? NO freekn' way!!!! Pac should knock-out Hatton earlier than when mayweather knocked out hatton so he can call out may and a have the fight, but if pac goes for the ud, I don't think mayweather will come out. He will just say, "look I destroyed hatton Pac can only u.d. him" why should i fight him. So that is the dilemma guys... Who's next after hatton??? logical one is marquez but, for me marquez is 50/50 bout. Their like fire and ice they cancel each other out. And it just doesn't make pacman that great fighting him. I want mayweather to come out and pacman defeats him to close out his great career. I just hope pac can knock-out hatton early. So he can call out money may and stop his ranting for good!!!!

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Well, Hopkins looked pretty damn good against Taylor in the first fight; he looked pretty good in the Calzaghe fight; and he put on a shut-out in the Pavlik fight. Hopkins is now 44. I'd bet the house that Hopkins isn't on the source. I'd also lay far lighter odds that Mosley was probably not dopping during preparation for the Margarito fight. Just like Forrest had Mosley's style nailed from the amateurs up through the pros, styles make fights.
Margarito is a plodding fighter that takes a lot of punches to land a few of his own. He was tailor made for Mosley, who is faster, more athletic and hits hard. Margarito barely landed on Shane in that fight.
I think you left out the fact that Margarito's gloves were padded prior to the fight. Who really knows how often he was doing that?
What does surprise me is the fact that Cotto hit him with everything but the kitchen sink and he didn't seem to be remotely bothered by Cotto's consistent barrages. But just like the engine that said it could and did make it up the hill, the struggle and damage resulting from the effort and toll it takes on the machinery will eventually lead to its ultimate demise. The same can be said of Margarito. It could have been that Cotto did enough damage to Margarito in that fight that his body finally said enough is enough. That, coupled with the illegal glove padding, may have lead to what you saw in the Mosley fight.
I do think, however, that some of your observations definitely make me a bit more suspicious. For every new ban on an P.E.D., there are twenty more on the black-market manufactured by some group of German Pharmaceutical Scientists. Lets not forget that Mosley has been on the source before. He was connected with that whole BALCO fiasco in 2003, and it's possible he found a new source.
To be honest, this really never entered my mind, but now that you mention it, I'm becoming a bit more suspicious. I would HOPE that this, of course, is not the case and Mosley accomplished this by hard work without P.E.D.'s assisting him.
If he walks through Cotto in a rematch like he did against Margarito, then I would definitely say that something is going on and be fairly convinced that you were right.
Having used steroids myself at various points of my life, I'm always a bit more suspicious than most.

I doubt it,first the shit costs a fortune,second,they allmost have a test to tag it on HGH.
Not worth the damned risk
Just work harder and hope for the best
And Mosely has allready been tagged once. ANd having been on roids,determination takes you every bit as far as they do. What I was doing wasnt classified as a roid at the time,but is now,but I didnt get nearly the risk reward factor youd think.
I got a little bigger,but not much,and I was pumping iron like crazy,even before I roided.
Im just glad I got my hair line back
I just doubt he'd risk it,one schlub with a story to tell,and he's banned for quite a while

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

I doubt it,first the shit costs a fortune,second,they allmost have a test to tag it on HGH.
Not worth the damned risk
Just work harder and hope for the best
And Mosely has allready been tagged once. ANd having been on roids,determination takes you every bit as far as they do. What I was doing wasnt classified as a roid at the time,but is now,but I didnt get nearly the risk reward factor youd think.
I got a little bigger,but not much,and I was pumping iron like crazy,even before I roided.
Im just glad I got my hair line back
I just doubt he'd risk it,one schlub with a story to tell,and he's banned for quite a while

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It's hard to get someone on HGH as far as I know. Spiked HGH doesn't necessarily mean that you have someone bagged for using. They could have an irregular discharge of HGH factor from their pituitary gland. To this day, I don't know of any reliable test to definitively say that someone is using HGH. Unless you're 80, and consistently have blood discharge levels of a 20 year old, I don't know of any way of PROVING that someone is on HGH.

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Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

I doubt it,first the shit costs a fortune,second,they allmost have a test to tag it on HGH.
Not worth the damned risk
Just work harder and hope for the best
And Mosely has allready been tagged once. ANd having been on roids,determination takes you every bit as far as they do. What I was doing wasnt classified as a roid at the time,but is now,but I didnt get nearly the risk reward factor youd think.
I got a little bigger,but not much,and I was pumping iron like crazy,even before I roided.
Im just glad I got my hair line back
I just doubt he'd risk it,one schlub with a story to tell,and he's banned for quite a while

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It's hard to get someone on HGH as far as I know. Spiked HGH doesn't necessarily mean that you have someone bagged for using. They could have an irregular discharge of HGH factor from their pituitary gland. To this day, I don't know of any reliable test to definitively say that someone is using HGH. Unless you're 80, and consistently have blood discharge levels of a 20 year old, I don't know of any way of PROVING that someone is on HGH.[/quoteThe rumour Im hearing,is their coming damned close to a test thats going to hit it.They might even have one and arent saying because they want to tag someone.
I dont have anything to risk,because all of my fighters are clean,but if you played with it before,man just lift more on your own,its safer by far,and you know what you won,you won on your own.

should quote your sources

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Originally Posted by Spoon23

I watched the fight between mosley and margarito, mosley looked like he was pumped up, he was never like that strong against cotto or mayorga. Something ain't right, he looked to pumped up for a 37 year old fighter. Check-out the weigh-in, he looked like a jock compared to margarito. I believe his again back to his old ways, found a steroid undetectable at the moment. I Just think it just doesn't add up. He looked like the terminator at that fight not the other way around. He made Margarito look weak. It's steroids I tell, to pumped for a 37 year old. I won't discredit him if he had that reputation of being a strong guy but his not that strong. Why only now??? Geez, I can see Pacman fighting margarito coz he can out skill and out speed margarito, but mosley geez I fear for pacmans life he looked unstoppable. Obviously theirs some kind of performance enhance drugs just thankful Delahoya didn't use any of those during their fight. Those who are skeptics, look at the weigh-in pix, Mosley look like his in his prime. Geez something fishy going on here. Just don't want Pacman fighting him. But what will happen to pac after he defeats hatton? Mayweather just talked and said he doesn't want to fight no more and is passing the torch to pac and marga. Then who's next for pac after hatton? Mosley??? NO freekn' way!!!! Pac should knock-out Hatton earlier than when mayweather knocked out hatton so he can call out may and a have the fight, but if pac goes for the ud, I don't think mayweather will come out. He will just say, "look I destroyed hatton Pac can only u.d. him" why should i fight him. So that is the dilemma guys... Who's next after hatton??? logical one is marquez but, for me marquez is 50/50 bout. Their like fire and ice they cancel each other out. And it just doesn't make pacman that great fighting him. I want mayweather to come out and pacman defeats him to close out his great career. I just hope pac can knock-out hatton early. So he can call out money may and stop his ranting for good!!!!

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He made Tony look weak cause of the body work you fool.

I don't like the tone of the title nor the intitial posting in this thread. To accuse Mosley of being on performance enhancing drugs, without anything to substantiate it beyond the fact that Mosley executed his gameplan well, is lame. :rolleyes:

Mosley simply went into a time machine and the fighter that beat ODH the first time came and battered Marg. Not drugs but Dr Who.

Well I do believe that Shane knew he was taking roids and EPO back then with De La Hoya. First of all, for all of these high profile athletes to come out and say that they didn't know what they were putting in their bodies is absolute bullshit and I don't believe any athlete who says that. Especially someone like Shane who is a certified gym rat and grew up in the California gyms where steroids exploded.

Now, for a 37 year old man, his physique is pretty unbelievable. But I think he's probably just a gym rat that watches what he eats. And as far as him still being able to fight the best today at age 37? I think that is a byproduct of never really being inactive. Most of these guys that fall off of the face of the Earth after they turn 30 usually have long periods of inactivity where they don't fight or train in their off time. And that just speeds up the process. Guys like ODLH and what not, those guys don't train unless they're fighting so their ability erodes over time. And usually, those guys are just training to make weight when they do train. Mosley fights all the time and trains a lot too in his free time so he's been able to avoid the steep dropoff. Look at JMM, he's like 36 too, and he's still at the top.

So I really don't think that Shane's reemergence has anything to do with PEDs in this case. He had the style to beat Tony. Tony couldn't deal with the handspeed from the ring of the bell and it was very evident. Plus, Shane was tying him up and frustrating his offense. Shane had the perfect style and gameplan to beat Tony.

With all that being said, if a boxer really wanted to, he could take all of the better PEDs like IGF, HGH, or something like that without being caught. Yeah, steroids are still used but people aren't gonna wanna chance getting caught anymore especially when the newer generation of PEDs are practically undetectable and just as effective. There's not even a good test for HGH yet because your body naturally produces the stuff.
PEDs will always be a problem.

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Funny,Could have sworn we've seen this exact thread before :-X In so many words???

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Funny,Could have sworn we've seen this exact thread before :-X In so many words???

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Dejavu?

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