Why I wish there was a UFC type organization in boxing.
I wish there was a UFC type organization in boxing for many reasons. First is that there would 1 title in every weightclass. There would also be a lot better PPV cards where several fighters you love to watch would fight on it. More importantly I think the fighters would be better off, I think guys in the UFC get a lot better guidance and direction, in how to invest their money, how to spend it. I think Dana White really cares about the fighters, and if they really needed him down the line he would be there for them. In boxing there isn't anybody like that. But it is just a wish, and how much better would boxing be for it.
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I doubt there is a single boxing fan who would disagree with you mate. One true champ per weight class is what the RING belt represents, but it's not enough really.
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I wish there was a UFC type organization in boxing for many reasons. First is that there would 1 title in every weightclass. There would also be a lot better PPV cards where several fighters you love to watch would fight on it. More importantly I think the fighters would be better off, I think guys in the UFC get a lot better guidance and direction, in how to invest their money, how to spend it. I think Dana White really cares about the fighters, and if they really needed him down the line he would be there for them. In boxing there isn't anybody like that. But it is just a wish, and how much better would boxing be for it.
The UFC is one of the many MMA leagues. And fighters in the UFC cant fight fighters in other leagues or fighters who jare not contracted under UFC. At least in boxing, a WBC fighter can fight a WBA fighter.
Also Dana White pays his fighters chump change. WHile UFC and HBO Boxing PPV's generate a similar amount of money, the boxers walk away with most of the purse, while the UFC fighters get a very small fraction. Remember when Randy Couture quit last year, he revealed that as heavyweight champion, headlining the PPV, he earned $200,000. Compare that to Oscar's $65,000,000 to fight Mayweather.
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Taeth
I wish there was a UFC type organization in boxing for many reasons. First is that there would 1 title in every weightclass. There would also be a lot better PPV cards where several fighters you love to watch would fight on it. More importantly I think the fighters would be better off, I think guys in the UFC get a lot better guidance and direction, in how to invest their money, how to spend it. I think Dana White really cares about the fighters, and if they really needed him down the line he would be there for them. In boxing there isn't anybody like that. But it is just a wish, and how much better would boxing be for it.
The UFC is one of the many MMA leagues. And fighters in the UFC cant fight fighters in other leagues or fighters who jare not contracted under UFC. At least in boxing, a WBC fighter can fight a WBA fighter.
Also Dana White pays his fighters chump change. WHile UFC and HBO Boxing PPV's generate a similar amount of money, the boxers walk away with most of the purse, while the UFC fighters get a very small fraction. Remember when Randy Couture quit last year, he revealed that as heavyweight champion, headlining the PPV, he earned $200,000. Compare that to Oscar's $65,000,000 to fight Mayweather.
The fighters have on occasion fought from other leagues. Chuck Liddell fought Jackson in Pride while he was a UFC fighter. It can be done, but not often because there not really in the same class. You don't see HBO fighters fighting on Friday Night Fights. It's really no different.
Also WBA or WBC don't have fighters. They sanction fights for a fee. If you pay there fees you may be able to earn one of their "titles".
As far as purses. Couture was making good money, they get a salary plus fight purses, bonuses, and they get sponsorships handed to them. You are using ODH as an example. He's the top .01% of earners in boxing and almost all of sports. If you take the AVERAGE figher, UFC average fighters are much better off than boxers financially.
How was Nate Campbell doing as a lightweight champ? Just because there's a half a dozen guys that made huge money doesn't mean the average guy does. Fact is most boxers don't make much and most have jobs in addition to boxing.
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The UFC has had alot of ups and downs since it has started. Lets not forget that there has been mma for as many years as there has been boxing so lets not try to say that this is a new thing in the making. Give the UFC enough time and it will be as corrupt as boxing in no time. There has already been crappy scoring issues, steroid issues, contract issues, money issues, personnal problems with fighters and upper management being made public etc. And give it enough time and I'm sure we will see multiple champions. Rest assured any time something starts to get big and people know that they can make money off it they will try to by any means necessary. Introducing the new undisputed WMMA,UFC and IMMAF world champion BROOOCCK LEEESSNAR =).
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Having a matchmaker makes all the difference in the world. Not being able to duck people for 10 years and other bullshit would really help boxing. :thumb:
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Taeth
I wish there was a UFC type organization in boxing for many reasons. First is that there would 1 title in every weightclass. There would also be a lot better PPV cards where several fighters you love to watch would fight on it. More importantly I think the fighters would be better off, I think guys in the UFC get a lot better guidance and direction, in how to invest their money, how to spend it. I think Dana White really cares about the fighters, and if they really needed him down the line he would be there for them. In boxing there isn't anybody like that. But it is just a wish, and how much better would boxing be for it.
The UFC is one of the many MMA leagues. And fighters in the UFC cant fight fighters in other leagues or fighters who jare not contracted under UFC. At least in boxing, a WBC fighter can fight a WBA fighter.
Also Dana White pays his fighters chump change. WHile UFC and HBO Boxing PPV's generate a similar amount of money, the boxers walk away with most of the purse, while the UFC fighters get a very small fraction. Remember when Randy Couture quit last year, he revealed that as heavyweight champion, headlining the PPV, he earned $200,000. Compare that to Oscar's $65,000,000 to fight Mayweather.
The fighters have on occasion fought from other leagues. Chuck Liddell fought Jackson in Pride while he was a UFC fighter. It can be done, but not often because there not really in the same class. You don't see HBO fighters fighting on Friday Night Fights. It's really no different.
Also WBA or WBC don't have fighters. They sanction fights for a fee. If you pay there fees you may be able to earn one of their "titles".
As far as purses. Couture was making good money, they get a salary plus fight purses, bonuses, and they get sponsorships handed to them. You are using ODH as an example. He's the top .01% of earners in boxing and almost all of sports. If you take the AVERAGE figher, UFC average fighters are much better off than boxers financially.
How was Nate Campbell doing as a lightweight champ? Just because there's a half a dozen guys that made huge money doesn't mean the average guy does. Fact is most boxers don't make much and most have jobs in addition to boxing.
1) The UFC sanctions fights just like the WBC or WBA, the only difference is that there is no exclusive contracts with the boxing organizations.
2) although I did use ODLH as an example, you can use any boxing PPV headliner vs any UFC PPV headliner. The boxer will make approximatly 3 to 5 million while the UFC fighter will make a 10% of that even counting various bonuses that are availble. Considering that the UFC PPV's are bringing the approximately the same amount of money as the Boxing PPV you can see how badly Dana White is ripping these guys off.
3) Nate Campbell was never Lightweight Champion. He was nothing more then an alphabet titleist, and true boxing fans know the difference.
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luvfightgame
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Lance Uppercut
The UFC is one of the many MMA leagues. And fighters in the UFC cant fight fighters in other leagues or fighters who jare not contracted under UFC. At least in boxing, a WBC fighter can fight a WBA fighter.
Also Dana White pays his fighters chump change. WHile UFC and HBO Boxing PPV's generate a similar amount of money, the boxers walk away with most of the purse, while the UFC fighters get a very small fraction. Remember when Randy Couture quit last year, he revealed that as heavyweight champion, headlining the PPV, he earned $200,000. Compare that to Oscar's $65,000,000 to fight Mayweather.
The fighters have on occasion fought from other leagues. Chuck Liddell fought Jackson in Pride while he was a UFC fighter. It can be done, but not often because there not really in the same class. You don't see HBO fighters fighting on Friday Night Fights. It's really no different.
Also WBA or WBC don't have fighters. They sanction fights for a fee. If you pay there fees you may be able to earn one of their "titles".
As far as purses. Couture was making good money, they get a salary plus fight purses, bonuses, and they get sponsorships handed to them. You are using ODH as an example. He's the top .01% of earners in boxing and almost all of sports. If you take the AVERAGE figher, UFC average fighters are much better off than boxers financially.
How was Nate Campbell doing as a lightweight champ? Just because there's a half a dozen guys that made huge money doesn't mean the average guy does. Fact is most boxers don't make much and most have jobs in addition to boxing.
1) The UFC sanctions fights just like the WBC or WBA, the only difference is that there is no exclusive contracts with the boxing organizations.
2) although I did use ODLH as an example, you can use any boxing PPV headliner vs any UFC PPV headliner. The boxer will make approximatly 3 to 5 million while the UFC fighter will make a 10% of that even counting various bonuses that are availble. Considering that the UFC PPV's are bringing the approximately the same amount of money as the Boxing PPV you can see how badly Dana White is ripping these guys off.
3) Nate Campbell was never Lightweight Champion. He was nothing more then an alphabet titleist, and true boxing fans know the difference.
1a. Sorry, UFC is the promoter, matchmaker, sanctions, and pays the fighters. WBC or WBA receive money from fighters and don't participate in any promotion, etc.
2a. Use all the other people on the card for the headliners in the example as well and you will see that they aren't being ripped off. 10% of the headliners in boxing crack the million mark.
3a. Nate beat Juan Diaz who was in the process of unifying the titles. Casamayor was the most recognized champ, but that doesn't change the fact that Nate was a legitimate headlining champ.
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Lance Uppercut
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luvfightgame
The fighters have on occasion fought from other leagues. Chuck Liddell fought Jackson in Pride while he was a UFC fighter. It can be done, but not often because there not really in the same class. You don't see HBO fighters fighting on Friday Night Fights. It's really no different.
Also WBA or WBC don't have fighters. They sanction fights for a fee. If you pay there fees you may be able to earn one of their "titles".
As far as purses. Couture was making good money, they get a salary plus fight purses, bonuses, and they get sponsorships handed to them. You are using ODH as an example. He's the top .01% of earners in boxing and almost all of sports. If you take the AVERAGE figher, UFC average fighters are much better off than boxers financially.
How was Nate Campbell doing as a lightweight champ? Just because there's a half a dozen guys that made huge money doesn't mean the average guy does. Fact is most boxers don't make much and most have jobs in addition to boxing.
1) The UFC sanctions fights just like the WBC or WBA, the only difference is that there is no exclusive contracts with the boxing organizations.
2) although I did use ODLH as an example, you can use any boxing PPV headliner vs any UFC PPV headliner. The boxer will make approximatly 3 to 5 million while the UFC fighter will make a 10% of that even counting various bonuses that are availble. Considering that the UFC PPV's are bringing the approximately the same amount of money as the Boxing PPV you can see how badly Dana White is ripping these guys off.
3) Nate Campbell was never Lightweight Champion. He was nothing more then an alphabet titleist, and true boxing fans know the difference.
1a. Sorry, UFC is the promoter, matchmaker, sanctions, and pays the fighters. WBC or WBA receive money from fighters and don't participate in any promotion, etc.
2a. Use all the other people on the card for the headliners in the example as well and you will see that they aren't being ripped off. 10% of the headliners in boxing crack the million mark.
3a. Nate beat Juan Diaz who was in the process of unifying the titles. Casamayor was the most recognized champ, but that doesn't change the fact that Nate was a legitimate headlining champ.
1) Alright the alphabet gangs are not exactly the same as the role the UFC plays; however, your missing the point, the purpose of my original post was to point out that the UFC is just one MMA sanctioning organization, and they do not allow their fighters to fight other organization fighters, such fighters from Affliction.
2) There is a UFC PPV every month, and there is a boxing PPV ever month. Compare the headliners. You'll be shocked to see how little the big MMA names make, and like I said before, that money is going right to Dana White and the other suits.
3) In boxing you have to beat the champion to become the champion. And as a fan you should accept no less. No matter how many paper titles Nate Campbell collected he would never become The Lightweight CHampion until he beat the champion.
IF you think otherwise, then you are buying into the cancerous alphabet gangs, who are destroying the clarity in this sport.
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Lance Uppercut
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luvfightgame
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Lance Uppercut
1) The UFC sanctions fights just like the WBC or WBA, the only difference is that there is no exclusive contracts with the boxing organizations.
2) although I did use ODLH as an example, you can use any boxing PPV headliner vs any UFC PPV headliner. The boxer will make approximatly 3 to 5 million while the UFC fighter will make a 10% of that even counting various bonuses that are availble. Considering that the UFC PPV's are bringing the approximately the same amount of money as the Boxing PPV you can see how badly Dana White is ripping these guys off.
3) Nate Campbell was never Lightweight Champion. He was nothing more then an alphabet titleist, and true boxing fans know the difference.
1a. Sorry, UFC is the promoter, matchmaker, sanctions, and pays the fighters. WBC or WBA receive money from fighters and don't participate in any promotion, etc.
2a. Use all the other people on the card for the headliners in the example as well and you will see that they aren't being ripped off. 10% of the headliners in boxing crack the million mark.
3a. Nate beat Juan Diaz who was in the process of unifying the titles. Casamayor was the most recognized champ, but that doesn't change the fact that Nate was a legitimate headlining champ.
1) Alright the alphabet gangs are not exactly the same as the role the UFC plays; however, your missing the point, the purpose of my original post was to point out that the UFC is just one MMA sanctioning organization, and they do not allow their fighters to fight other organization fighters, such fighters from Affliction.
2) There is a UFC PPV every month, and there is a boxing PPV ever month. Compare the headliners. You'll be shocked to see how little the big MMA names make, and like I said before, that money is going right to Dana White and the other suits.
3) In boxing you have to beat the champion to become the champion. And as a fan you should accept no less. No matter how many paper titles Nate Campbell collected he would never become The Lightweight CHampion until he beat the champion.
IF you think otherwise, then you are buying into the cancerous alphabet gangs, who are destroying the clarity in this sport.
1a. Understood, but I see it more like the NFL vs the USFL. There's a difference in the talent level, and the USFL signed alot of top talent but didn't last. Affliction is a tshirt company. If I was running UFC I wouldn't give Affliction the time of day. The other orgs are lower level than UFC. And somewhat function as a minor league for UFC.
2a. I don't think it's all going to Dana. I think percentage wise much more goes to the undercard fighters. I get your point and agree, but the big picture of all the fighters is my point. The undercard guys in UFC are better off than the undercard guys in boxing.
3a. Juan Diaz wasn't a paper champ, and Nate beat him for the titles. I get your point but don't agree in this scenario. The case for either guy being champ is argueable. Even so, Casamayor wasn't a million dollar purse earner. He only had 1 or 2 big paydays.
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I'll say this every org that has attempted to pay MMA fighters big money has tanked. Affliction is living ppv to ppv. They can't put Fedor on every show and if one of them doesn't sell like it should I'm pretty sure you will see them in bankruptcy. I think the guys should get paid more but one would think that if they could get paid more somewhere else they would. I don't see them running to Dream in Japan or strikeforce or anywhere. Its a fighters market. I'm sure the UFC could pay more but I don't think million dollar purses for UFC headliners are in the budget. As far as the original posters sentiments. The fact that I get a minimum of 5 fights for my $50 dollars has pushed me more and more to MMA. I buy 1-2 boxing ppvs in a year where I used to buy 6+. I'd rather spend my money on a UFC PPV where I know I'm going to get to see multiple fights with top competitors. One belt per weight class is a no brainer but simply better matchmaking and good top to bottom cards would be a great start
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I'll say this every org that has attempted to pay MMA fighters big money has tanked. Affliction is living ppv to ppv. They can't put Fedor on every show and if one of them doesn't sell like it should I'm pretty sure you will see them in bankruptcy. I think the guys should get paid more but one would think that if they could get paid more somewhere else they would. I don't see them running to Dream in Japan or strikeforce or anywhere. Its a fighters market. I'm sure the UFC could pay more but I don't think million dollar purses for UFC headliners are in the budget. As far as the original posters sentiments. The fact that I get a minimum of 5 fights for my $50 dollars has pushed me more and more to MMA. I buy 1-2 boxing ppvs in a year where I used to buy 6+. I'd rather spend my money on a UFC PPV where I know I'm going to get to see multiple fights with top competitors. One belt per weight class is a no brainer but simply better matchmaking and good top to bottom cards would be a great start
Definitely agree about the matchmaking. Also I think UFC has a good business plan. If it aint broke don't fix it. They hooked up with spike at a perfect time, and both benefited. I have HBO and Showtime, but I like that I can watch UFC on regular tv. Plus I think they get alot more sponsorships because of the regular tv thing.
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The UFC is a complete shit-show. Yes, I respect the athleticism of many of the fighters. But if you look up steroids or HGH in the dictionary, you should see that organization and the majority of its champions standing front and center and physically depicting the resultant of performance enhancing substances.
When you throw the other elements of 'glove' size, and the fact that you've seen many fighters K.O.'d cold, only to see their opponents pummel them with several more shots before the fight is stopped, you have to come to a grim realization: there's a fine line between sport and truly barbaric, blood fests guised under the name of sport.
Where does one draw the line? Well, its really not for me to say. It's just my opinion. Watching tactful, intelligent phenoms like Royce Gracie was something to admire. However, once the parallels between UFC and WWE, freak show 'entertainment' on a much more dangerous level become obvious to anyone, thats when I jump ship.
Maybe its just me, but there's nothing like a good, old-fashioned, prize-fight. The UFC will never have anything on the sport of sports. One of my very few guilty pleasures.
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I would hardly call UFC an organization. UFC is one promoter (the asshole bald guy) Anyways, it's been tried in boxing. I think they call it Don King Promotions, or something like that. :shakehead:
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Having a matchmaker makes all the difference in the world. Not being able to duck people for 10 years and other bullshit would really help boxing. :thumb:
Boxing has matchmakers,I am one.And in all honesty it comes down to,"Who can I get on short notice?"
I have absolutely no idea why it allways come down to that,but it allways does.I allmost guarantee you my phone is going to ring for a fight in the next two days,and it will be for a 2 weeks notice fight. And even then half the replacement fights fall down.
You just spend most of your time trying to find someone who's good to go,on that date
