Printable View
Why doesn't 1 come up a few pounds, and one come down a few, for this incredible matchup? Isn't it worth the 10 or 15 million they would each get? Hell I would lose or gain 25 pounds for that kind of pizza dough! ;)
I think it would be a great fight. Could PBF take those straight left piercing down the middle lances that Pac seems to land at will?
At 147 PBF would flatten him. I highly doubt Floyd would fight at any other weight.
Its an interesting fight, its my belief Pacman is the closest person because of his offensive skills, being southpaw, and speed to beating Mayweather. However, if Mayweather figures out his rhythym then Pacquiao is screwed. I mean Marquez very quick and a good counter puncher, but he totally figured out how to nullify much of what Pacman is so successful at. Mayweather is bigger than Marquez probably hits a little harder, and is faster if he adapts then Manny is as good as done at any weight class.
I tend to agree, at 147 Pac would be a bit of a sitting duck, minus the "sitting". Still, if it took PBF 6 full rounds to trounce a slow and utterly outclassed Arturo Gatti, I can't see Pac faring any worse against Floyd. Therefore it would be at worst a UD for Floyd, I can't see any KO there, what about you?
PBF would beat Pac with clean and effecive counter punching.
It would be also kinda interesting to see Pac try to land those straight lefts against Floyd's peek-a-boo defense and rolling shoulder. He could actually make Pac miss nearly every shot, as I never saw Pac throw super-wide shots that, oddly, have a better chance of catching Floyd than straight predictable ones.
Pac would have to jump on him early like the 3 knockdown thing with Marquez, or if it goes into the middle to late rounds, Floyd would take him into deep waters. I don't think Pac would ever have to expend so much energy in any other fight than in a fight with Floyd.
Pac may just run out of gas by the 8th round, if Floyd decided to dance for the 1st 24 minutes and pot-shot.
Mayweather will make Pac run into all 4 corners before giving him a brutal KO:pQuote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
We already seen what PacMan could do to ODLH that Floyd was unable to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by brocktonblockbust
We have yet to see what PacMan can do to Hatton and I hope PacMan beats Hatton down in 6 ;D and again shows PBF how to beat a man.
But styles make fights and I think that PACMAN should he win, should stay at the 140 level for a minute and see if he can force PBF down. Right now Pacman is still on top and is considered the P4P champion and not PBF so, Floyd wont have the upper hand any more, Floyd if he wants to beat the new P4P champion, he will have to move down, but who knows, stranger things have happend and it looks as though everyone including myself is over looking Hatton. I can't wait for this to be over so we can move on and I do hope that the fans get their moneys worth and I believe it shall be so. Floyd at a higher weight class is so boring.
Seriously I don't understand why people think Mayweather-Pacquaio would even be competitive. I don't see Pac even beating the Manchester fag Ricky Hatton
I would have to take PBF on this one, I think he would just be too quick on the back foot and be able to turn Pac and make him miss. I do think that it would also be a pretty boring fight with PBF being completely defensive just in case he got caught and it ending a UD or possibly a late TKO if Pac got tired chasing him.
Doubt it's ever gonna happen though.
Watch Mayweather-Judah then get back to me. When Judah threw punches Mayweather was completely defensive and didn't throw punches. I am not saying MAyweather wouldn't have adapted because he did, but Judah always drops his workrate when punches are being thrown at him which is what happened, Pacquiao wouldn't. Sanders, Corley, and Judah all were southpaw and all landed on Mayweather with ease compared to orthodox fighters, none of them are as offensively gifted as Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Another factor which is the same with Floyd fighting Marquez is that he doesn't use size but speed to win fights, and he's 32 and has been inactive for over a year. I think Cotto doesn't have the speed to catch Mayweather, and Mayweather just pot shot him all night and as the night wore on might even stop Cotto. I don't think Mosley can fight at a distance well enough to beat Mayweather, I can see him being a legitimate threat but I Think Mayweather stays away and once against pot shots against Mosley and is too quick and too slick for Mosley to deal with him.
Well, I think you are wrong on this one Taeth. With Corley, he presented a lot of problems for elite fighters because he throws that right hook a lot and so it sets up everything else. He almost had Cotto out on his feet. With Judah, Judah used to spar with PBF so he already knew much about PBF. People you spar with are difficult to deal with it. And plus, Judah does have great power that you have to respect. And he is extremely fast and a bigger guy than Pac. What people aren't saying is that Pac is the one who has never seen anything like PBF. How will he react!? Hell, Pac hasn't even fought an elite fighter who uses movement. And this fighter is the best at it and is bigger. Pac has more to be concerned about than PBF. He fights the guys who come straight forward. Everyone seen how well it went for Morales when he fought a decent fighter who used movement. He nearly got shut out by Zahir Raheem. Raheem said he had harder sparring partners. Marquez would pose more problems to PBF than Pac. Pac doesn't take on all styles so he would be in a new world from the jump. How about we try to figure out how Pac would deal with PBF. There is no comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethWatch Mayweather-Judah then get back to me. When Judah threw punches Mayweather was completely defensive and didn't throw punches. I am not saying MAyweather wouldn't have adapted because he did, but Judah always drops his workrate when punches are being thrown at him which is what happened, Pacquiao wouldn't. Sanders, Corley, and Judah all were southpaw and all landed on Mayweather with ease compared to orthodox fighters, none of them are as offensively gifted as Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Another factor which is the same with Floyd fighting Marquez is that he doesn't use size but speed to win fights, and he's 32 and has been inactive for over a year. I think Cotto doesn't have the speed to catch Mayweather, and Mayweather just pot shot him all night and as the night wore on might even stop Cotto. I don't think Mosley can fight at a distance well enough to beat Mayweather, I can see him being a legitimate threat but I Think Mayweather stays away and once against pot shots against Mosley and is too quick and too slick for Mosley to deal with him.
I know you are all awaiting my profound wisdom....well here you go.
I really, really think PBF could beat Manny Pac.
I am not saying Pacquiao won't have problems with Floyd, but Corely was landing a lot of shots on Floyd not jsut the right hook ,and Manny has a good right hook. ALso in what way is Judah a lot bigger than Pacquiao he weighed in at about hte same size against Floyd as Pacquiao did against OScar. Their speed is pretty even, Judah doesn't have great power, its good, but I wouldn't say its significantly better than Pacman's if at all, he might have more power but, Manny has that ability hurt guys. I don't Manny is one of the guys who would have a lot of trouble with pure backwards movement, he is too good at improvising, I think he is very used to guys moving away from him which is why he sets up his cross so well with his right jab. He has more trouble with guys like Marquez who fake going back then come forward quickly and don't give Pacquiao the space to really get off his loaded cross which takes a lot of room to get off. All in all IMO its the speed that will be the biggest factor. Judah is extremely fast but he doesn't fights in spurts, and its different. Manny is more like Calzaghe in that his style has so much energy too it, he's in and out all the time, he throws a lot of punches(he replaces numbers a bit with more power) and he can do it for 12 rounds. Not only that but you hit him and he loves it and wants to hit you back. IMO he could overwhelm Mayweather who would prefer to not get hit than to counter you. I think it was the mexican in Marquez as much as his technical and physical gifts that made him so tough for Manny because he would take a punch to land a punch whereas Floyd will do it from time to time, but its not in his nature as much as it used to be at 130 and 135. You put that Floyd in with Pacquiao and he would destroy Manny, but now he far less aggressive, less combinations, less lateral movement, a lot more defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by blegitWell, I think you are wrong on this one Taeth. With Corley, he presented a lot of problems for elite fighters because he throws that right hook a lot and so it sets up everything else. He almost had Cotto out on his feet. With Judah, Judah used to spar with PBF so he already knew much about PBF. People you spar with are difficult to deal with it. And plus, Judah does have great power that you have to respect. And he is extremely fast and a bigger guy than Pac. What people aren't saying is that Pac is the one who has never seen anything like PBF. How will he react!? Hell, Pac hasn't even fought an elite fighter who uses movement. And this fighter is the best at it and is bigger. Pac has more to be concerned about than PBF. He fights the guys who come straight forward. Everyone seen how well it went for Morales when he fought a decent fighter who used movement. He nearly got shut out by Zahir Raheem. Raheem said he had harder sparring partners. Marquez would pose more problems to PBF than Pac. Pac doesn't take on all styles so he would be in a new world from the jump. How about we try to figure out how Pac would deal with PBF. There is no comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by TaethWatch Mayweather-Judah then get back to me. When Judah threw punches Mayweather was completely defensive and didn't throw punches. I am not saying MAyweather wouldn't have adapted because he did, but Judah always drops his workrate when punches are being thrown at him which is what happened, Pacquiao wouldn't. Sanders, Corley, and Judah all were southpaw and all landed on Mayweather with ease compared to orthodox fighters, none of them are as offensively gifted as Pacquiao.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Demise
Another factor which is the same with Floyd fighting Marquez is that he doesn't use size but speed to win fights, and he's 32 and has been inactive for over a year. I think Cotto doesn't have the speed to catch Mayweather, and Mayweather just pot shot him all night and as the night wore on might even stop Cotto. I don't think Mosley can fight at a distance well enough to beat Mayweather, I can see him being a legitimate threat but I Think Mayweather stays away and once against pot shots against Mosley and is too quick and too slick for Mosley to deal with him.
Judah trained with Floyd during the Olympic tryouts to my knowledge, and when Mayweather was lighter he used to kick the shit out of Judah, but up at welterweight he slowed down quite a bit.
Floyd could win that one, no doubt about it. However, I could see Pacman just ramming him and with his super stamina and relentless punching create some damage, I remember the first FLoyd-Castillo and Castillo should have won, really. The second fight, Floyd won it but it was not a loopsided decision at all, it was a competitive fight, based on that and seeing how Oscar was close (in my opinion) to a draw, I could see arguments why Manny could make it as well, especially that he has the power bombs and the chaining punches to make it true. Well, it could go in both direction depending of the tempo of the fame, let's only hope we'll see it someday.