The Riddick Bowe that Beat Holyfield Vs The Buster Douglas that beat Tyson
I've said loads of times before there is a vast difference between 'The Best' and 'The Greatest' Heavyweights. These 2 were nowhere near and any all time list for The Greatest, BUT on their very best night (and each only really had one great night) they would've been a match for any heavyweight in history imo!
So who do you think would've one between these two...........and how do you think they would've faired against the all time greats, if they had met them on those one great nights?
Re: The Riddick Bowe that Beat Holyfield Vs The Buster Douglas that beat Tyson
Id say Bowe. He ranks as the 4th best heavyweight of the modern era behind Lewis, Holyfield and Tyson.
Douglas really just had that 1 win and I still dispute that win because Tyson knocked him out in the 8th. Bowe did recapture a title and he beat Evander again afew years later. What really ruined Bowes rep was his reluctance to avenge his olympic loss to Lewis.
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Easily Buster for me. On that night I don't think anyone would have beat Buster that was 6'5 235-240 pound punching machine. Everything looked perfect on Buster that night.
Re: The Riddick Bowe that Beat Holyfield Vs The Buster Douglas that beat Tyson
Riddick Bowe struggled against fighters with a decent jab, aka Andrew Golota x2, Tyrell Biggs. Or against fighters who fought him on the outside aka Evander Holyfield 2, Tony Tubbs. Buster Douglas by decision IMO although thinking about it his stamina maybe a bit suspect.
I remember he had a good performance against Tony Tucker. Then when the going got tough he basically quit. He was never really pressured by Mike Tyson. And Mike Tyson was horrible in that fight, no head movement and his corner were shocking. Not even having a ends-well, so its a bit hard to judge just how bad Mike Tyson was, or how good Buster Douglas was.
Re: The Riddick Bowe that Beat Holyfield Vs The Buster Douglas that beat Tyson
I'd side with Douglas.Alot is made of where Tyson was physically and mentallly,justifiably...but those long to short combinations Buster was hurling were just awesome.Crisp,fluid and the jab at its best.His mind was right...although for a split second when he was laying there I worried he was going to flash back to the comforts of his stool ala the Tucker fight.He was the complete tip top package that night and I think he could have topped more than a few heavys of days gone by.
Bowe,who knows really?He was inspired vs. Holyfield,the jab was pin point and in shape but frankly Holyfield fought a dumb fight and offered little in the way of imagination and brought the heart and guts to the front.Bowe might give him problems on the inside but Bowe has always been hittable.Martin,Coetzer,Hide among others all gave him pause when they should not have.Douglas was not the only one with focus,dedication problems,Bowe had his fill also and I think Douglas would have pushed him harder this night.
Re: The Riddick Bowe that Beat Holyfield Vs The Buster Douglas that beat Tyson
On any other night in their careers I'd take Bowe easily, he had the talent to be up there with the best, just not the determination. However, on that one night, with Douglas determined to win the fight for his mother's memory, I honestly don't think that he could be denied. On that night I'd give him a decent chance against any HW in history, despite being infinitely less talented, he struck me as a guy who would find a way to win given the circumstance.
Re: The Riddick Bowe that Beat Holyfield Vs The Buster Douglas that beat Tyson
Buster Douglas was better than Bowe on the night in question vs. Holyfield. Douglas was a complete fighter and talented with on glaring weakness, training with pizza and beer.
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buster was amazing in the tyson fight, truely great to watch him, i really rate bowe in his prime but i think buster would of beaten many a good fighter that night
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buster was amazing in the tyson fight, truely great to watch him, i really rate bowe in his prime but i think buster would of beaten many a good fighter that night
Buster was good that night but an undertrained, worst ever version of Tyson knocked dhim out in that 8th round. Its the longest count Ive seen and if justice prevailed the fight wouldnt have gone on.
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buster was amazing in the tyson fight, truely great to watch him, i really rate bowe in his prime but i think buster would of beaten many a good fighter that night
Buster was good that night but an undertrained, worst ever version of Tyson knocked dhim out in that 8th round. Its the longest count Ive seen and if justice prevailed the fight wouldnt have gone on.
Buster Douglas knew exactly what he was doing, and had the count of been quicker he would of got up. He was just being smart taking the extra seconds, to clear his head. He even pounded the canvas in anger, so he knew exactly where he was. And the count Mike Tyson had was no quicker either.
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buster was amazing in the tyson fight, truely great to watch him, i really rate bowe in his prime but i think buster would of beaten many a good fighter that night
Buster was good that night but an undertrained, worst ever version of Tyson knocked dhim out in that 8th round. Its the longest count Ive seen and if justice prevailed the fight wouldnt have gone on.
Buster Douglas knew exactly what he was doing, and had the count of been quicker he would of got up. He was just being smart taking the extra seconds, to clear his head. He even pounded the canvas in anger, so he knew exactly where he was. And the count Mike Tyson had was no quicker either.
You may be right but I think Mike was hard done by. It doesnt matter anyway cuz Tyson lost the fight and didnt avenge it. I just wish he had a return cuz he could have done to Douglas what Evander did if he got back to his best.
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Buster was good that night but an undertrained, worst ever version of Tyson knocked dhim out in that 8th round. Its the longest count Ive seen and if justice prevailed the fight wouldnt have gone on.
Buster Douglas knew exactly what he was doing, and had the count of been quicker he would of got up. He was just being smart taking the extra seconds, to clear his head. He even pounded the canvas in anger, so he knew exactly where he was. And the count Mike Tyson had was no quicker either.
You may be right but I think Mike was hard done by. It doesnt matter anyway cuz Tyson lost the fight and didnt avenge it. I just wish he had a return cuz he could have done to Douglas what Evander did if he got back to his best.
i agree, buster was being smart taking the count, i think buster had fought his greatest fight that night & tyson would of won the return
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Drago
buster was amazing in the tyson fight, truely great to watch him, i really rate bowe in his prime but i think buster would of beaten many a good fighter that night
Buster was good that night but an undertrained, worst ever version of Tyson knocked dhim out in that 8th round. Its the longest count Ive seen and if justice prevailed the fight wouldnt have gone on.
think the count was abt 14 seconds? wasnt jack dempsey carpenter alot longer?
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Drago
buster was amazing in the tyson fight, truely great to watch him, i really rate bowe in his prime but i think buster would of beaten many a good fighter that night
Buster was good that night but an undertrained, worst ever version of Tyson knocked dhim out in that 8th round. Its the longest count Ive seen and if justice prevailed the fight wouldnt have gone on.
think the count was abt 14 seconds? wasnt jack dempsey carpenter alot longer?
You mean Gene Tunney vs Jack Dempsey 2, and yes that was indeed longer. But only because Jack Dempsey didn't go to the neutral corner. And that was because the rules had not long been changed, and Jack Dempsey was used to standing over opponents, hence why he didn't go to the neutral corner against Gene Tunney.
Re: The Riddick Bowe that Beat Holyfield Vs The Buster Douglas that beat Tyson
Bowe And it's not even close. Remember Bowe as an ametuer? When he actually trained hard an followed instruction? Bowe fighting as a boxer using his jab, NOT getting dirty inside leaning on guys with his weight? He had solid skills but he was just fat and lazy. At his best, Bowe would have looked like Larry Holmes against Buster, circling him and snapping his head back with the jab.
