Ted Kennedy was a bastard and now he's dead!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcYsO890YJY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsaTElBljOE

The Kennedy's are no different than any Mafia family. Joe Kennedy made his family's wealth the same way Al Capone made his money BOOTLEGGING LIQUOR. Joe's family lived lives of excess and they were able to ride their fame through some very stormy waters. The Chappaquiddick incident aside, Ted Kennedy had more than his fair share of shady situations whether it's getting his drug addict son out of trouble and allowing him to keep his seat in Congress or whether it's allowing his nephew to get away with rape, Teddy had his fair share of controversies.

On the political side, Ted Kennedy came up with the idea for HMO's (something he later changed his mind on), he got No Child Left Behind enacted, the immigration acts he passed weren't great for America...they did get results for the Democrats but not for America.

Sure Ted had his good side, he did a lot for civil rights, but the bad/questionable stuff he did shouldn't be left off the table...I'm only hoping his Nationalized Healthcare doesn't come into effect on account of his death.

So, you're not a fan?;D

Admire you for having an honest opinion and not glossing over his past. Also like that you accept he had some good points.

It does seem from some new coverage that he could do no wrong, despite what wrongs he did do.

From the books i have read old man Kennedy bought his way into the Whitehouse and was a bit of a nasty fuck.

Reps to you for starting a new thread and allowing supporters to continue on the other thread.

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Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

So, you're not a fan?;D

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you got that right.

It's kinda funny. As bad as adversarial partisan politics can get, at least real politicians don't stand up and cheer when a member of the opposition kicks off.

They say these famous people always die in sets of three.....well just so you know I've got my fingers crossed for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton....but just in case they don't pass the following will be acceptable: Henry Waxman, Diane Fienstein, Bono, Louis Farrakahn, Rev. Wright, Father Flager, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Ashton Kutcher, Dane Cook, Bill Maher, the entire band Green Day, Chris Matthews, and of course last but not least Al Gore.


So don't be surprised or offended(....hell be offended see if I care), if I cheer when any of those guys kick the bucket either

The best news is that for Halloween now I can be the Zombie Kennedy "eerrrr, uh, I have come baaaaack from the dead foah(for) moi (my) scawtch (scotch)"

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZcQvkCNcE0

Read this old thread and everyone will see that Lyle is FAIR AND BALANCED....
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-has-died.html

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Originally Posted by Lyle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcYsO890YJY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsaTElBljOE

The Kennedy's are no different than any Mafia family. Joe Kennedy made his family's wealth the same way Al Capone made his money BOOTLEGGING LIQUOR. Joe's family lived lives of excess and they were able to ride their fame through some very stormy waters. The Chappaquiddick incident aside, Ted Kennedy had more than his fair share of shady situations whether it's getting his drug addict son out of trouble and allowing him to keep his seat in Congress or whether it's allowing his nephew to get away with rape, Teddy had his fair share of controversies.

On the political side, Ted Kennedy came up with the idea for HMO's (something he later changed his mind on), he got No Child Left Behind enacted, the immigration acts he passed weren't great for America...they did get results for the Democrats but not for America.

Sure Ted had his good side, he did a lot for civil rights, but the bad/questionable stuff he did shouldn't be left off the table...I'm only hoping his Nationalized Healthcare doesn't come into effect on account of his death.

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Teddy was a bastard and he was also a saint. Nothing is black and white in this world. I live in Massachusetts, and I'm not a Kennedy groupie like some many people hear. IMHO, JFK is one of the most overrated presidents ever. He couldn't get crap passed in the legislature and he almost got us into a nuclear war. He escalated Vietnam. He fucked everything with a skirt. Then he died, and LBJ used the combination if his influence in congress and JFK's death to get his agenda passed, plus a few more good things. But LBJ and Nixon get blamed for Vietnam Jack Kennedy gets a free pass. Dems sure love the cult of personality.

Ted did a lot of bad things in his personal life, and he probably should have gone to jail for Mary Jo. Lord only knows how many DUIs he would have gotten if he weren't Teddy Kennedy. I can tell you stories about the antics he used to pull when he would go visit Chris Dodd. My family owned a restaurant/bar just down the road from Dodd's house. I know. It bugs me every time I'm near the Rose Kennedy Greenway that Teddy got to honor his mother with that when so many others from this Commonwealth deserve the recognition more than her.

In spite of all this, Teddy honestly thought he was doing the best he could do for this country. He worked his butt off, not just on big issues, but on local problems. He or his staff answered every letter they received and Teddy would take the time help individuals in this state, totally under the radar. For the last 15 or so years of his live, he cleaned his act up and did his best to make up for the sins of past. You might disagree with his politics, but the man devoted his life to helping others, and he treated people decently. I don't agree with a lot of thing he supported, but overall he did more good than harm.

As far as nationalized health care, government funded insurance for all is going to happen sooner or later. Maybe not now, but it's gonna happen. Hell, it's already happened because people without insure just use the ER as primary care. We have medicaid and medicare. Though some HMO's are great, I would take medicare over some of them anytime.

You can fight it, or you can try to look for ways to do it that won't destroy the things that are good about the current system. Agree with you in hoping bad healthcare reform doesn't get passed in his name, because we can do a heck of a lot better than this foolishness Obama has on the table.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

They say these famous people always die in sets of three.....well just so you know I've got my fingers crossed for Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton....but just in case they don't pass the following will be acceptable: Henry Waxman, Diane Fienstein, Bono, Louis Farrakahn, Rev. Wright, Father Flager, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Ashton Kutcher, Dane Cook, Bill Maher, the entire band Green Day, Chris Matthews, and of course last but not least Al Gore.


So don't be surprised or offended(....hell be offended see if I care), if I cheer when any of those guys kick the bucket either

The best news is that for Halloween now I can be the Zombie Kennedy "eerrrr, uh, I have come baaaaack from the dead foah(for) moi (my) scawtch (scotch)"

GOD BLESS AMERICA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZcQvkCNcE0

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Lyle, be careful with that.;D

BBC NEWS | Science & Environment | Science ponders 'zombie attack'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgpa7...eature=related


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Actually I just heard that some old lady is selling the grave plot on top of Marylin monroe and the bids are at 4 mill. You can in effect be buried face down on top of Marylin.

That what they should of done for Ted.

lol pretty funny to me anyway Lyle had to go back 2+ years to find a few lines he posted that somehow make his views fair and balanced.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

Read this old thread and everyone will see that Lyle is FAIR AND BALANCED....
http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...-has-died.html

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So in one case you leave a throwaway comment, in this you post a short character assassination :cwm13:

Putting that aside, it's admirable that you went back years to prove that you're capable of classless insensitivity regardless of the deceased's political leanings :rolleyes:

Jaz, what am I to do when people say "Ted Kennedy was the lion of the Senate"...or "The Kennedy's are America's Royal Family"....I'm sorry I don't take kindly to such sycophantic exaggerations especially in the case of Ted Kennedy. Ted Kennedy served the US in the best way he knew how, but the only reason he was a "Senator for Life" was because he was a Kennedy and that reason may have also kept him (and his other infamous family members) out of prison.

My comment to make it know that I am fair and balanced did come 2 years ago but when was the last time someone like a Rev. Falwell passed away for me to comment on them? The only person I can think of that has "recently" passed that comes close to being a Republican version of Ted Kennedy is maybe MAYBE Jesse Helms, but then again #1 Jesse never killed anyone, #2 Jesse never got any relatives off of rape charges and #3 He never tried to undermine US national security by working with the Soviets

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Jaz, what am I to do when people say "Ted Kennedy was the lion of the Senate"...or "The Kennedy's are America's Royal Family"....I'm sorry I don't take kindly to such sycophantic exaggerations especially in the case of Ted Kennedy. Ted Kennedy served the US in the best way he knew how, but the only reason he was a "Senator for Life" was because he was a Kennedy and that reason may have also kept him (and his other infamous family members) out of prison.

My comment to make it know that I am fair and balanced did come 2 years ago but when was the last time someone like a Rev. Falwell passed away for me to comment on them? The only person I can think of that has "recently" passed that comes close to being a Republican version of Ted Kennedy is maybe MAYBE Jesse Helms, but then again #1 Jesse never killed anyone, #2 Jesse never got any relatives off of rape charges and #3 He never tried to undermine US national security by working with the Soviets

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I actually quite agree with you on this thread, Lyle. I don't buy into the whole Kennedy family nonsense at all. Ted Kennedy might have had his good points but he was a grossly flawed character, much like the rest of them.

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Originally Posted by miles

I actually quite agree with you on this thread, Lyle. I don't buy into the whole Kennedy family nonsense at all. Ted Kennedy might have had his good points but he was a grossly flawed character, much like the rest of them.

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I do appreciate the support I get in this thread when I get it, thank you miles.

As an American I can just tell you I always found it very disturbing that anyone would ever bestow the title "America's Royal Family" to any family....how do you think any of the Founding Fathers would treat that? I think fellow Bostonian and agitator of the British Samuel Adams would have a fucking fit over such a frivilous title being given to the Kennedy's and I am sure Sam Adams wouldn't have been alone in his dislike of that kind of bullshit media hype.