Pacquiao and Marqez have no business fighting above 140 pounds against elite opp.
Marquez was ten pounds heavier than he should be for a fight and it showed. He was too small to get anywhere near Floyd.
Pacquiao would have met the same fate. Pacquiao shouldn't face Floyd even for the money. He beat DLH at 147 because DLH was weight-drained. A prime Mosley, Cotto, or PBF would beat Pac. Out of those, he has the best chance of beating Cotto, but Cotto should be too big for Pac too.
I understand there is more money in the higher weight classes, but fighters reach a ceiling at some point. For Pacquiao and Marquez the ceiling is 140.
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Saturday night disgusted me actually. If people enjoyed that and want to see more of that then I would sure as hell not put them in the Boxing Fan box. No way. It wasn't far short of watching PBF beat the living daylights out of the mismatch that was PBF vs Gatti. Competetive matches is what is needed man. I'm flabergasted that people are really into a Floyd - Pac match...... Crazy.... This P4P shit is a cloud on boxing for me, its HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, and should stay like that.
In answer to your thread, they certainly don't have any business being up there atall......
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Pacquiao does. He's showed he can hang it and be successful at 147 regardless of who he is facing. However as you say it was against a shot ODLH and he has never fought a genuine threat at 147. If a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight gets made I think it would only be fair to make it for 144/145 pounds. Marquez on the otherhand does not belong there at all. But even at 140 or 135 Mayweather still smashes Marquez in the same way like he did on Saturday.
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themacmagician
Saturday night disgusted me actually. If people enjoyed that and want to see more of that then I would sure as hell not put them in the Boxing Fan box. No way. It wasn't far short of watching PBF beat the living daylights out of the mismatch that was PBF vs Gatti. Competetive matches is what is needed man. I'm flabergasted that people are really into a Floyd - Pac match...... Crazy.... This P4P shit is a cloud on boxing for me, its HYPOTHETICALLY SPEAKING, and should stay like that.
In answer to your thread, they certainly don't have any business being up there atall......
The way Gatti got taken apart was actually hard to watch. Brutal.:(
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Marquez was ten pounds heavier than he should be for a fight and it showed. He was too small to get anywhere near Floyd.
Pacquiao would have met the same fate. Pacquiao shouldn't face Floyd even for the money. He beat DLH at 147 because DLH was weight-drained. A prime Mosley, Cotto, or PBF would beat Pac. Out of those, he has the best chance of beating Cotto, but Cotto should be too big for Pac too.
I understand there is more money in the higher weight classes, but fighters reach a ceiling at some point. For Pacquiao and Marquez the ceiling is 140.
JMM has no business there!!!
Pac did his business already & he hit the Boom Time!!! PAC was more impressive at this Higher weights than PBF!!!
Pac will KO the Saturday JMM version in 3 rds!!!
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leftylee
Pacquiao does. He's showed he can hang it and be successful at 147 regardless of who he is facing. However as you say it was against a shot ODLH and he has never fought a genuine threat at 147. If a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight gets made I think it would only be fair to make it for 144/145 pounds. Marquez on the otherhand does not belong there at all. But even at 140 or 135 Mayweather still smashes Marquez in the same way like he did on Saturday.
just contradicted yourself something fierce there bud, and fuck this catchweight crap, Pacquiao and Marquez are big boys already, they should know damn well what they can and can't handle, Marquez deep down knew he couldn't beat Mayweather but since it brought the most money well he chose it, and before everyone starts, i thought Marquez showed guts in fighting him, but hell who wouldn't fight Mayweather for around $15 mil, Marquez has plenty of big fights at 135, Valero, Katsidis, Guzman, Reyes, Demarco, Funeka, or the guys that can move up from 130, Guerrero, Soto, Martinez, Linares, as for Pacquiao, i don't wanna hear the same bull that Mayweather is getting if Cotto beats him up bad, IMO neither belongs at 147
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Rantcatrat
Marquez was ten pounds heavier than he should be for a fight and it showed. He was too small to get anywhere near Floyd.
Pacquiao would have met the same fate. Pacquiao shouldn't face Floyd even for the money. He beat DLH at 147 because DLH was weight-drained. A prime Mosley, Cotto, or PBF would beat Pac. Out of those, he has the best chance of beating Cotto, but Cotto should be too big for Pac too.
I understand there is more money in the higher weight classes, but fighters reach a ceiling at some point. For Pacquiao and Marquez the ceiling is 140.
JMM has no business there!!!
Pac did his business already & he hit the Boom Time!!! PAC was more impressive at this Higher weights than PBF!!!
Pac will KO the Saturday JMM version in 3 rds!!!
shut up you clown.
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leftylee
Pacquiao does. He's showed he can hang it and be successful at 147 regardless of who he is facing. However as you say it was against a shot ODLH and he has never fought a genuine threat at 147. If a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight gets made I think it would only be fair to make it for 144/145 pounds. Marquez on the otherhand does not belong there at all. But even at 140 or 135 Mayweather still smashes Marquez in the same way like he did on Saturday.
just contradicted yourself something fierce there bud, and fuck this catchweight crap, Pacquiao and Marquez are big boys already, they should know damn well what they can and can't handle, Marquez deep down knew he couldn't beat Mayweather but since it brought the most money well he chose it, and before everyone starts, i thought Marquez showed guts in fighting him,
but hell who wouldn't fight Mayweather for around $15 mil, Marquez has plenty of big fights at 135, Valero, Katsidis, Guzman, Reyes, Demarco, Funeka, or the guys that can move up from 130, Guerrero, Soto, Martinez, Linares, as for Pacquiao, i don't wanna hear the same bull that Mayweather is getting if Cotto beats him up bad, IMO neither belongs at 147
He would have fought him with a blindfold on and his hands and feet tied together for that much.
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wasn't it about 4 million really? I don't even think Floyd made 15, more like 10.
But of course JMM was going to fight him, that's good money. Money runs everything. JMM could please the purists and clean out 135 or he could make big money :-\ Pacquaio could clean out 140 or he could make big money. Floyd could make more money fighting JMM than he could fighting a 170 pound Josh Clottey, hmm. Fenster is more likely to fight Clottey than PBF is.
They're all doing the same thing, although I think JMM and Pacquaio has shown to be a bit ballsier over the years they are all looking for the big money fights and who gives a fuck about the weights.
Money, money, money. They don't care what we think. Well, for the most part. I had a derogatory joke about ODLH here but it seemed forced.
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leftylee
Pacquiao does. He's showed he can hang it and be successful at 147 regardless of who he is facing. However as you say it was against a shot ODLH and he has never fought a genuine threat at 147. If a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight gets made I think it would only be fair to make it for 144/145 pounds. Marquez on the otherhand does not belong there at all. But even at 140 or 135 Mayweather still smashes Marquez in the same way like he did on Saturday.
Disagree. Pac has fought only once above 140 and it was against a weight drained DLH. There is no way Pac could predict that he would utterly dominate DLH and it is impressive he would fight such a bigger fighter regardless of the weight, but I bet he loses to Cotto and if not Cotto to any other elite welterweight.
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leftylee
Pacquiao does. He's showed he can hang it and be successful at 147 regardless of who he is facing. However as you say it was against a shot ODLH and he has never fought a genuine threat at 147. If a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight gets made I think it would only be fair to make it for 144/145 pounds. Marquez on the otherhand does not belong there at all. But even at 140 or 135 Mayweather still smashes Marquez in the same way like he did on Saturday.
just contradicted yourself something fierce there bud, and fuck this catchweight crap, Pacquiao and Marquez are big boys already, they should know damn well what they can and can't handle, Marquez deep down knew he couldn't beat Mayweather but since it brought the most money well he chose it, and before everyone starts, i thought Marquez showed guts in fighting him, but hell who wouldn't fight Mayweather for around $15 mil, Marquez has plenty of big fights at 135, Valero, Katsidis, Guzman, Reyes, Demarco, Funeka, or the guys that can move up from 130, Guerrero, Soto, Martinez, Linares,
as for Pacquiao, i don't wanna hear the same bull that Mayweather is getting if Cotto beats him up bad, IMO neither belongs at 147
Credit to Pacquiao and Marquez for having the balls to move up in weight and be underdogs against the best even if money is the motivation.
I'm not quite sure of your point but Cotto doesn't deserve the grief Mayweather is receiving about fighting smaller guys because Cotto has fought Mosley, Clottey, Margarito, and a handful of other top ten welterweights. He deserves a fight against a smaller man and he is fighting a smaller man who beat Hatton and ODLH, which makes it more legitimate. This was Marquez's first fight against anyone above 135.
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leftylee
Pacquiao does. He's showed he can hang it and be successful at 147 regardless of who he is facing. However as you say it was against a shot ODLH and he has never fought a genuine threat at 147. If a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight gets made I think it would only be fair to make it for 144/145 pounds. Marquez on the otherhand does not belong there at all. But even at 140 or 135 Mayweather still smashes Marquez in the same way like he did on Saturday.
Disagree. Pac has fought only once above 140 and it was against a weight drained DLH. There is no way Pac could predict that he would utterly dominate DLH and it is impressive he would fight such a bigger fighter regardless of the weight, but I bet he loses to Cotto and if not Cotto to any other elite welterweight.
I agree Pac and Marquez don't belong anywhere past 140, they just don't have the frame. And if Oscar was about 5 years younger, it would have been a complete 1 sided beat down on Manny. But as someone pointed out, money rules everything and the welterweight division has always had many significant stars and big money fights.
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wasn't it about 4 million really? I don't even think Floyd made 15, more like 10.
But of course JMM was going to fight him, that's good money. Money runs everything. JMM could please the purists and clean out 135 or he could make big money :-\ Pacquaio could clean out 140 or he could make big money. Floyd could make more money fighting JMM than he could fighting a 170 pound Josh Clottey, hmm. [B]Fenster is more likely to fight Clottey than PBF is[B].
They're all doing the same thing, although I think JMM and Pacquaio has shown to be a bit ballsier over the years they are all looking for the big money fights and who gives a fuck about the weights.
Money, money, money. They don't care what we think. Well, for the most part. I had a derogatory joke about ODLH here but it seemed forced.
True.
Marquez was on a guarantee of $2 milllion - a career high payday. (Floyd $10m)
That's why he was so gutted Floyd only weighed-in 2 pound over. One more pound he would have been rewarded half his purse again just for watching a guy fail to make weight. Tidy. :cool:
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leftylee
Pacquiao does. He's showed he can hang it and be successful at 147 regardless of who he is facing. However as you say it was against a shot ODLH and he has never fought a genuine threat at 147. If a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight gets made I think it would only be fair to make it for 144/145 pounds. Marquez on the otherhand does not belong there at all. But even at 140 or 135 Mayweather still smashes Marquez in the same way like he did on Saturday.
just contradicted yourself something fierce there bud, and fuck this catchweight crap, Pacquiao and Marquez are big boys already, they should know damn well what they can and can't handle, Marquez deep down knew he couldn't beat Mayweather but since it brought the most money well he chose it, and before everyone starts, i thought Marquez showed guts in fighting him, but hell who wouldn't fight Mayweather for around $15 mil, Marquez has plenty of big fights at 135, Valero, Katsidis, Guzman, Reyes, Demarco, Funeka, or the guys that can move up from 130, Guerrero, Soto, Martinez, Linares, as for Pacquiao, i don't wanna hear the same bull that Mayweather is getting if Cotto beats him up bad, IMO neither belongs at 147
I looked at the Pacquiao situation from 2 sides. Hence the word "However". I know what I'm talking about when it comes to English Language.
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leftylee
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ElTerribleMorales
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leftylee
Pacquiao does. He's showed he can hang it and be successful at 147 regardless of who he is facing. However as you say it was against a shot ODLH and he has never fought a genuine threat at 147. If a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight gets made I think it would only be fair to make it for 144/145 pounds. Marquez on the otherhand does not belong there at all. But even at 140 or 135 Mayweather still smashes Marquez in the same way like he did on Saturday.
just contradicted yourself something fierce there bud, and fuck this catchweight crap, Pacquiao and Marquez are big boys already, they should know damn well what they can and can't handle, Marquez deep down knew he couldn't beat Mayweather but since it brought the most money well he chose it, and before everyone starts, i thought Marquez showed guts in fighting him, but hell who wouldn't fight Mayweather for around $15 mil, Marquez has plenty of big fights at 135, Valero, Katsidis, Guzman, Reyes, Demarco, Funeka, or the guys that can move up from 130, Guerrero, Soto, Martinez, Linares, as for Pacquiao, i don't wanna hear the same bull that Mayweather is getting if Cotto beats him up bad, IMO neither belongs at 147
I looked at the Pacquiao situation from 2 sides. Hence the word "However". I know what I'm talking about when it comes to English Language.
just by sticking in however doesn't change the fact that you said that Pacquiao is proven at 147, although it was against a shot weight drained fighter
the fact that Pacquiao beat a shot, weight drained fighter, goes on to further show that he isn't proven at 147, i'm pretty sure that Marquez would have beat Felix Trinidad on Saturday if he would have boiled down to 147 :rolleyes:
