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Congrats to both guys!!!
Nonito was 8lbs lighter? Man how is that possible. He must have a way of hovering over the scales! Watching the fight it looked like in Montiel they had taken an image of a man standing further away and brought it to the foreground.
I'll take nothing away from what was a fautless performance but Montiel looked at least two weight classes smaller.
Donaire should be fighting guys like Lopez and Gamboa really, it amazes me he is able to get down to that weight class.
I agree. He looked like an rehydrated featherweight in that fight and not a bantamweight. Montiel looked liked a strawweight next to Donaire in that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
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Bilbo, fight night weight as shown on HBO have Nonito at 126 lbs and Montiel at 134 lbs. Taller yes but frame wise Nonito is not bigger just check out the musculature bro. The reason I brought this up as my title because I know a lot of people here will discredit Nonito for being the "bigger" man. Peace out.;)
And you had Chad Dawson and PWill over Donaire in p4p category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Where's Dawson and PWill now huh?
lmfao!
Congrats to both guys? You talking about Jones? I dont think Montiel is feeling that great about the fight. Congrats on getting KTFO?;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
He uses his ears like dumbo to hover when he's on the scales.Quote:
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No bro I did not mean it that way, congrats for giving a good fight and Montiel's heart for getting up after getting shot like that. I dont wish harm for anyone.Quote:
Originally Posted by No ContestCongrats to both guys? You talking about Jones? I dont think Montiel is feeling that great about the fight. Congrats on getting KTFO?;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Pavlik
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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::And you had Chad Dawson and PWill over Donaire in p4p category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Where's Dawson and PWill now huh?
lmfao!
Well both Williams and Dawson were winning their fights until they moved up to their proper weight class.
I don't see how anyone can look at Montiel and Donaire side by side and not think that looked an unfair fight.
Montiel has like a weird dwarf manchild body, he looks like the freakishly tiny man he is. Donaire just looks like an average build 5 ft 8 man, I can't see how in the world they weigh the same.
Look at the other fighters in that weight class, Darchinyan, Montiel, the guy Donaire fought last time out, they don't look like normal build, they kind of look weird with shrunken bodies and mekon sized heads.
Donaire just looks like a regular size guy beating up on pygmie people when he fights.
As for Williams and Dawson being higher, on acomplishments at the time they were! I still stand by that.
Donaire got rated in the p4p on potential not acomplishments. To his credit with a huge win over Montiel he now deserves to be there, although the hyperbole once again went into overdrive with Roy Jones placing him number 2 behind Pacquaio.
He;s beaten two world champs, and credit to him totally knocked them the fuck out, I won't take that away. But it's taken him over 3 years to finally fight a world rated opponent.
Now he's earned his p4p for sure. Let's see how he does in his own weight class.
In all honesty there's some guys that should move up in weight guys like Ortiz, Guzman, Bambam Rios and to some extent Saul Alvarez(although he is still growing). Checking their fight night weight might be a good start to see how much they rehydrated.
Actually that's my mentality too Bilbo, but let's be OBJECTIVE here is he Montiel actually the functionally heavier guy in there tonight? Is HBO lying is there a conspiracy?Quote:
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Originally Posted by :::PSL:::And you had Chad Dawson and PWill over Donaire in p4p category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Where's Dawson and PWill now huh?
lmfao!
Well both Williams and Dawson were winning their fights until they moved up to their proper weight class.
I don't see how anyone can look at Montiel and Donaire side by side and not think that looked an unfair fight.
Montiel has like a weird dwarf manchild body, he looks like the freakishly tiny man he is. Donaire just looks like an average build 5 ft 8 man, I can't see how in the world they weigh the same.
Look at the other fighters in that weight class, Darchinyan, Montiel, the guy Donaire fought last time out, they don't look like normal build, they kind of look weird with shrunken bodies and mekon sized heads.
Donaire just looks like a regular size guy beating up on pygmie people when he fights.
As for Williams and Dawson being higher, on acomplishments at the time they were! I still stand by that.
Donaire got rated in the p4p on potential not acomplishments. To his credit with a huge win over Montiel he now deserves to be there, although the hyperbole once again went into overdrive with Roy Jones placing him number 2 behind Pacquaio.
He;s beaten two world champs, and credit to him totally knocked them the fuck out, I won't take that away. But it's taken him over 3 years to finally fight a world rated opponent.
Now he's earned his p4p for sure. Let's see how he does in his own weight class.
Donaire has one of the most amazing physiques in boxing today . The guy was the bigger stronger guy, and I knew he would be . But Montiel was heavier which worked good for Donaire.
My guess is that Montiel will move up to super bantam in his next fight. He probably struggled to make weight since he rehydrated 16 pounds!!! For a banatamweight thats alot of weight to put on in one day.
people are just gonna say the same shit they said about donaire before, that he needs to fight heavier guys, i think its insane that someone who was like a flyweight 4 years ago is expected to fight lightweights to get any creditQuote:
Originally Posted by PavlikActually that's my mentality too Bilbo, but let's be OBJECTIVE here is he Montiel actually the functionally heavier guy in there tonight? Is HBO lying is there a conspiracy?Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::And you had Chad Dawson and PWill over Donaire in p4p category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Where's Dawson and PWill now huh?
lmfao!
Well both Williams and Dawson were winning their fights until they moved up to their proper weight class.
I don't see how anyone can look at Montiel and Donaire side by side and not think that looked an unfair fight.
Montiel has like a weird dwarf manchild body, he looks like the freakishly tiny man he is. Donaire just looks like an average build 5 ft 8 man, I can't see how in the world they weigh the same.
Look at the other fighters in that weight class, Darchinyan, Montiel, the guy Donaire fought last time out, they don't look like normal build, they kind of look weird with shrunken bodies and mekon sized heads.
Donaire just looks like a regular size guy beating up on pygmie people when he fights.
As for Williams and Dawson being higher, on acomplishments at the time they were! I still stand by that.
Donaire got rated in the p4p on potential not acomplishments. To his credit with a huge win over Montiel he now deserves to be there, although the hyperbole once again went into overdrive with Roy Jones placing him number 2 behind Pacquaio.
He;s beaten two world champs, and credit to him totally knocked them the fuck out, I won't take that away. But it's taken him over 3 years to finally fight a world rated opponent.
Now he's earned his p4p for sure. Let's see how he does in his own weight class.
donaire didnt knock montiel out with size or strength, he did it with skill, he placed that counter
and montiel was incredibly jacked for a guy his size, the guy had like 0% body fat, he wasnt smaller, just shorter
montiel would move up to 122 but donaire would be there right behind him.
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Originally Posted by PavlikActually that's my mentality too Bilbo, but let's be OBJECTIVE here is he Montiel actually the functionally heavier guy in there tonight? Is HBO lying is there a conspiracy?Quote:
Originally Posted by BilboQuote:
Originally Posted by :::PSL:::And you had Chad Dawson and PWill over Donaire in p4p category.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bilbo
Where's Dawson and PWill now huh?
lmfao!
Well both Williams and Dawson were winning their fights until they moved up to their proper weight class.
I don't see how anyone can look at Montiel and Donaire side by side and not think that looked an unfair fight.
Montiel has like a weird dwarf manchild body, he looks like the freakishly tiny man he is. Donaire just looks like an average build 5 ft 8 man, I can't see how in the world they weigh the same.
Look at the other fighters in that weight class, Darchinyan, Montiel, the guy Donaire fought last time out, they don't look like normal build, they kind of look weird with shrunken bodies and mekon sized heads.
Donaire just looks like a regular size guy beating up on pygmie people when he fights.
As for Williams and Dawson being higher, on acomplishments at the time they were! I still stand by that.
Donaire got rated in the p4p on potential not acomplishments. To his credit with a huge win over Montiel he now deserves to be there, although the hyperbole once again went into overdrive with Roy Jones placing him number 2 behind Pacquaio.
He;s beaten two world champs, and credit to him totally knocked them the fuck out, I won't take that away. But it's taken him over 3 years to finally fight a world rated opponent.
Now he's earned his p4p for sure. Let's see how he does in his own weight class.
Yeah I can't explain it to be fair. I mean he's clearly the naturally much bigger man. It was like the size difference between Manny and Oscar where Oscar despite being much bigger weighed in lighter on fightnight.
But he was a shell of a fighter whereas Donaire seems to perform at peak level whilst being, according to the scales weight seriously dehydrated.
It's definitely a freak gift, like it was for Paul Williams at welter. But I want to see him against guys his own size. Him and Gamboa or Lopez is a great fight.
To be honest if it wasn't for all the hype around I could really like him. No doubting his talent, he has literally destroyed two of the best fighters in the division now.
But Lopez was doing that when he started out. As the opposition got tougher and bigger he hasnt been looking nearly as good.
I wont be convinced that Donaire is top 4 p4p until he's beaten a legit champ his own size.