Rate these heavyweights in terms of the opposition that they beat.

Saying Lennox Lewis beat Tyson doesn't count
Saying Marciano beat Walcott Charles or Moore doesn't count
...and so on


Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Sonny Liston
Joe Frazier
Vital Klitchko
Wladimir Klitchko
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano

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Originally Posted by BIG H

Saying Lennox Lewis beat Tyson doesn't count
Saying Marciano beat Walcott Charles or Moore doesn't count
...and so on

Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Sonny Liston
Joe Frazier
Vital Klitchko
Wladimir Klitchko
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano

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Damn this is tough im gonna have to think about this one, but obviously Muhammad Ali is at the top and Klitschko bros and Marciano are at the bottom. Infact no disrespect to Vitali Klitschko but i think his resume is shite in all honesty.

what do you mean?

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Originally Posted by erics44

what do you mean?

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Rate their resumes, i.e who beat the best opponents, taking into consideration not just the name of the person they beat, but also the stage at which they beat them, i.e Holmes does not get credit for beating Ali.

ahh i get it now

I think it's harsh what they say about the heavyweights now, yeah it isn't as good to watch but these guys are stronger, hit harder and have better technique than the guys in the other era's. Would Ali,Frazier, Marciano, etc beaten the Klitschko's, honestly I would rather watch the others fight but I think they would have struggled with the size. reach difference. Here is my order -

Muhammad Ali
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitchko
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Vital Klitchko
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano

Ali hands down has the best resume. He beat Liston x2, Patterson x2 (well, OK, once was legit), Cooper, Williams, Folley, Norton x2 (highly-disputed), Frazier x2, Foreman, Lyle, Shavers, Quarry x2, etc. How can you trounce that?

Holyfield beat Qawi, Douglas, Tyson x2, Bowe, Moorer, Ruiz, Cooper, not too shabby.

Holmes beat Shavers x2, Cooney, Bonecrusher, Truth, Weaver, Witherspoon (?), Mercer, and made 20 title defenses successfully. How can you beat that?

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I think it's harsh what they say about the heavyweights now, yeah it isn't as good to watch but these guys are stronger, hit harder and have better technique than the guys in the other era's. Would Ali,Frazier, Marciano, etc beaten the Klitschko's, honestly I would rather watch the others fight but I think they would have struggled with the size. reach difference. Here is my order -

Muhammad Ali
Lennox Lewis
Wladimir Klitchko
Joe Frazier
George Foreman
Vital Klitchko
Mike Tyson
Larry Holmes
Sonny Liston
Jack Dempsey
Jack Johnson
Rocky Marciano

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Klitschko's have better technique ? wash your mouth out with soap thats blasphemy.

Haha you watched Foreman in his prime then, they throw more straight shots, they got better defence, not just hit and get hit back

What are the criteria we are basing our calculations on? H2H?

Ali by a mile no 1, Marciano fought better fighters than Liston .

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Haha you watched Foreman in his prime then, they throw more straight shots, they got better defence, not just hit and get hit back

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George Foreman is a brawler though, what about guys like Holmes, Ali, Holyfield, Tyson.

Ali
Louis
Holmes
Lewis
Tyson
Frazier
Holyfield
Wlad
Marciano
Dempsey
Johnson

Tell me who Tyson beat ? a old Larry Holmes , thats his best win .

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Originally Posted by roberto duran legend

Tell me who Tyson beat ? a old Larry Holmes , thats his best win .

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Who did Holmes beat? An old Ali?
Who did Marciano beat? An old Charles, Walcott, Moore
Wo did Dempsey beat? Jess Willard?
Who did Vitali beat? Fat Sam Peter
Who did Wlad beat? Fat Sam Peter
Who did Liston beat? Tiny Floyd Patterson ...............

..............see the pattern