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There are several people on this forum who say that Marquez landed a lucky punch against Pacquiao. However, that is not the case. Marquez trained for that punch, as this video shows:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...rmP6HbI4#at=38
Watch :35-:38.
It wasn't lucky. Anybody that fights Pac knows he can be timed. I thought Marquez would get him in their first fight; I thought Barrera would get him. Didn't expect anything from Morales.
Pac's big punch was always his right hook; he'd throw the left and bring the left foot up to set up the hook. I thought he'd get kod just like that, but it was obviously harder to do in real than it seemed on video.
Well. We knew he was a great counter puncher and trained for this but its good to see footage to back it up..
Come on, all the saddos that said it was a lucky punch speak up now or the mods will name you.
Also, Marquez went pro in 1999, meaning he's been a pro for 12-14 years. He's probably thrown a punch like that thousands of times in his career.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I1q0dWdhoKg
As for who said it was a lucky punch:
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Originally Posted by 15rounder
I don't think many people said it was a lucky punch, it's pretty clear that Marquez threw it and knew exactly where it was going. It's not like it was a clubbing punch thrown with the hope of hitting the boxer somewhere like Oliver Mcall did to Lennox Lewis for instance.
I was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
How about the first knockdown?..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
There is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. How can it be luck when the whole point in boxing is to hit your opponent? It makes no fucking sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
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Originally Posted by impHow about the first knockdown?..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
It was a heck of a punch, Pac went down hard, however he was able to wheather the storm and start beating Marquez down.
In football when someone throws a hail marry in the end zone and its caught is it luck or not because the pass is thrown to be caught, in basketball when a player shoots from the other end of the court and makes the shot is it luck or not since he intended for it to go in, since you don't like to use the word luck lets replace it with miracle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. How can it be luck when the whole point in boxing is to hit your opponent? It makes no fucking sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
Are they throwing Hail Mary's all 4 downs? Are they taking half court shots every single possession? No there not. Marquez said before the fight he was gonna go for the knock out. And from the first round you can see he was going for it. Fuck getting robbed. He was gonna knock him out this time. And he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceIn football when someone throws a hail marry in the end zone and its caught is it luck or not because the pass is thrown to be caught, in basketball when a player shoots from the other end of the court and makes the shot is it luck or not since he intended for it to go in, since you don't like to use the word luck lets replace it with miracle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. How can it be luck when the whole point in boxing is to hit your opponent? It makes no fucking sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
So lets get this straight..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by impHow about the first knockdown?..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
It was a heck of a punch, Pac went down hard, however he was able to wheather the storm and start beating Marquez down.
You have just said the first knockdown was a heck of a punch but the 2nd knockdown was lucky?
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Originally Posted by Violent DemiseAre they throwing Hail Mary's all 4 downs? Are they taking half court shots every single possession? No there not. Marquez said before the fight he was gonna go for the knock out. And from the first round you can see he was going for it. Fuck getting robbed. He was gonna knock him out this time. And he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceIn football when someone throws a hail marry in the end zone and its caught is it luck or not because the pass is thrown to be caught, in basketball when a player shoots from the other end of the court and makes the shot is it luck or not since he intended for it to go in, since you don't like to use the word luck lets replace it with miracle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent DemiseThere is no such thing as a lucky punch in boxing. How can it be luck when the whole point in boxing is to hit your opponent? It makes no fucking sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
Yea there have been many times in Marquez career where he said he was going for the knock out and then knocked the guy out cold.
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Originally Posted by impSo lets get this straight..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by impHow about the first knockdown?..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
It was a heck of a punch, Pac went down hard, however he was able to wheather the storm and start beating Marquez down.
You have just said the first knockdown was a heck of a punch but the 2nd knockdown was lucky?
Are you reading my post man, I said Marquez may have timed him perfectly however to knock Pac out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by impSo lets get this straight..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceQuote:
Originally Posted by impHow about the first knockdown?..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jerry RiceI was one, add in all the variablesQuote:
Originally Posted by imp
1. He looked like he was going to get knocked out at anypoint.
2. When has Marquez ever knocked anyone out cold, he has never been a fighter with great punching power on any level.
3. Pac has fought fighters who have hit harder and he was able to take there punches just fine, it had been a while since he had even been down, this defied the odds.
Maybe Marquez timed him perfectly, but to knock him out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
It was a heck of a punch, Pac went down hard, however he was able to wheather the storm and start beating Marquez down.
You have just said the first knockdown was a heck of a punch but the 2nd knockdown was lucky?
Are you reading my post man, I said Marquez may have timed him perfectly however to knock Pac out cold after looking all but defeated was luck.
Your making marquez win look bad which is wrong.
Whether your a die hard pac fan or not accept they have had 3 extremely close fights and this particular time 40 year old lightweight marquez was going to end the show.
All the advantages were with pac for all 4 fights but the punch you never see IS the perfect punch.
Get over it.