In a fair fight with an honest referee Golovkin would KO Andre Ward
If the fight were in Oakland with a crooked home referee who would permit Andre Ward to use illegal tactics (hit while holding, use deliberate head butts, hit off the break and repeatedly clamp GGG's arm) I think Ward would win a decision, perhaps a TD after a cut from deliberate head butt.
But in a fair fight with an HONEST referee preventing Ward from fouling, matching SKILL against SKILL, I think Gennady Golovkin would knock out the bigger man Andre Ward.
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Ward haters never cease to amaze me
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.... and they call me a troll.
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If the fight were in Oakland with a crooked home referee who would permit Andre Ward to use illegal tactics (hit while holding, use deliberate head butts, hit off the break and repeatedly clamp GGG's arm) I think Ward would win a decision, perhaps a TD after a cut from deliberate head butt.
But in a fair fight with an HONEST referee preventing Ward from fouling, matching SKILL against SKILL, I think Gennady Golovkin would knock out the bigger man Andre Ward.
In Oakland, Ward would probably get the benefit of the doubt just as Floyd would in Vegas.
Holding and hitting happens in every fight. Being held while you are hitting happens in every fight too, actually that is what is usually going on.
Get in the ring with someone for a few rounds, when they have you on the ropes or are in close and hurting you to the body or head in the middle of the ring, please don't grab them. Lol.
It's instinctive, sir! Not holding goes against everything you brain is telling you. Holding is part of boxing and happens repeatedly in most fights. When there's no holding you have Gatti vs Ward or Alvarado vs Rios.
I agree with you, excessive holding, hitting on the break, or letting (wink, wink) someone run into you head, or following your head on the way inside piss me off too.
When someone is pounding you, it's very hard to not hold, that's why everyone is so good good at it, no training is necessary.
Ward is hard to hit, and if you do hit him how is his chin? I don't know if he's ever been down as a pro or as an amateur.
Actually wards been dropped early in his pro career, when he was caught trying to emulate roy. It might have even been twice. After that is when he adapted this style hes using now. He realizes he doesnt have the speed. So he keeps his chin down, avoids wide open exchanges, stays close to take the leverage off his opponents punches and plays the ranges. If he does get clipped, hes close enough to clinch and hang on. He learned to get off first, close the distance quickly (which results in a lot of headbutts as he follows with his head) , clinch before his opponent gets off and then ambushes on the break when his opponents least expecting it.
I agree with you on the clinching. its part of fighting. Which why Ward uses it to his advantage. So that part would be at the refs discretion. Some allow more and some allow less. As much as I dont like Ward. There's nothing to stop him from Jabbing or snapping a one two down the middle (GGG is very hittable) and the grabbing. (Ala Holyfield/tyson or brook /portor) and totally smothering GGG's offense while waiting for the ref. If Golovkin wants to win that fight, he would have to improve his lateral movement a lot. Learn how to pivot away from war and dig to the body with hooks and then make use of uppercuts up the middle.
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I never want to see Ward/GGG because I'm too big of a GGG fan and I know exactly what Andre would do to him.
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Ward haters never cease to amaze me
Just coz someone has an opinion that is different from yours doesn't make them a hater
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Ward haters never cease to amaze me
Just coz someone has an opinion that is different from yours doesn't make them a hater
The implication that Ward doesn't fight fair and that the referees usually assist him, and that this would be necessary to defeat the smaller GGG who has yet to face someone of Ward's level....
When you add these together, you get someone who just may qualify as a Ward hater. Just sayin ;D
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erics44
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powerpuncher
Ward haters never cease to amaze me
Just coz someone has an opinion that is different from yours doesn't make them a hater
The implication that Ward doesn't fight fair and that the referees usually assist him, and that this would be necessary to defeat the smaller GGG who has yet to face someone of Ward's level....
When you add these together, you get someone who just may qualify as a Ward hater. Just sayin ;D
You have a point :)
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If the fight were in Oakland with a crooked home referee who would permit Andre Ward to use illegal tactics (hit while holding, use deliberate head butts, hit off the break and repeatedly clamp GGG's arm) I think Ward would win a decision, perhaps a TD after a cut from deliberate head butt.
But in a fair fight with an HONEST referee preventing Ward from fouling, matching SKILL against SKILL, I think Gennady Golovkin would knock out the bigger man Andre Ward.
In that type of fight the more skilled fighter wins. And that would be Ward.
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I think unless ward has totally lost it or is highly weight drained in a 160 fight then he owns golovkin pretty easily, at 168 i think ward ko's without too much toruble, golovkin just gets hit far to much and ward really is top class and can mix it up very well... ward by easy win in my opinion!
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GGG is very good at cutting the ring off, Ward is a bit like Hopkins awkward, hard to hit very
dirty and very hard to beat,! but GGG has that power and if you avoid him from KO you out
early he with give you a systematic beating.
I fancy GGG to brake Ward down slowly, before he stops him in maybe 8 to 10 rounds.;)
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erics44
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powerpuncher
Ward haters never cease to amaze me
Just coz someone has an opinion that is different from yours doesn't make them a hater
The implication that Ward doesn't fight fair and that the referees usually assist him, and that this would be necessary to defeat the smaller GGG who has yet to face someone of Ward's level....
When you add these together, you get someone who just may qualify as a Ward hater. Just sayin ;D
I really have no feelings towards ward, doesn't bother me either way, but I do have an opinion that his fighting style at times bends the rules
I thought in the first Kessler fight he excessively used his head
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erics44
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ninjaspy3
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erics44
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Originally Posted by
powerpuncher
Ward haters never cease to amaze me
Just coz someone has an opinion that is different from yours doesn't make them a hater
The implication that Ward doesn't fight fair and that the referees usually assist him, and that this would be necessary to defeat the smaller GGG who has yet to face someone of Ward's level....
When you add these together, you get someone who just may qualify as a Ward hater. Just sayin ;D
I really have no feelings towards ward, doesn't bother me either way, but I do have an opinion that his fighting style at times bends the rules
I thought in the first Kessler fight he excessively used his head
I can understand what you mean, but I felt that Ward started fighting a bit cleaner in later fights. But it seemed to me that many still had his earlier performances in mind and didn't notice that he had cleaned it up a bit, at least IMO.
