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As it stands Issa have people in there ranks from this country and across Europe, if we catch
them what should be done with them.
The little group that are beheading people, do we put them in jail and pander to there needs,
or do we treat them as they have treated others.
I think this is a important issue, because we are going to catch some of THE FUCKERS sometime
are we not.?
That's something to think about. In St Paul, Minnesota, they have a large Somalian community, and, so far as is known, at least 5 members of that group, US citizens, are now fighting with ISIS. Nobody is saying anything about what is going to happen if/when they try to return to Minnesota.
Laws are in place for murder. There are laws in place if you have engaged in terrorist acts. Let due process deal with them, like any other potential criminal.
Islamic State want to goad people into an eye for an eye philosophy. They want to engage you in religious war. Do not rise to the bait, do not let their standards become ours.
We have laws in place correct, but are theses laws a deterrent to stop people doing this
type of thing, over here I would say no there is a place for the death penalty to be reinstated
for this bunch.!!
To be Frank 70 years back people like this, were tried for War crimes, and executed this bunch
are no different , and why should they be treated any different ,! and why should they be locked up
and given special privileges, a rope does not cost much people have gone soft.
Remember a rabid dog is shot for the safety of the public, and keeping this lot alive will be a
bad move, given the chance they would still KILL you me who Knows.
That is being ideological, it is a non starter. It would require a change in a law, that only a UKIP or BNP government would even think of introducing. So even if somehow either got into power, the law would still be two years away, so it has no relevance to this debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
Throughout history, if you fought for the enemy, you were guilty of treason and hung. I'm not saying hang them, but is not what they are doing Treason
Treason is no longer a hanging offence. And anyway we are not at war. Although I do not agree with IS, in the past British citizens have gone to war in other countries for ideological reasons, without sanctions being placed on them when they return.Quote:
Originally Posted by walrus
What's UKIP or the BNP got to do with it,! theses people are committing treason, why on earthQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidThat is being ideological, it is a non starter. It would require a change in a law, that only a UKIP or BNP government would even think of introducing. So even if somehow either got into power, the law would still be two years away, so it has no relevance to this debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
should they not answer for there crimes, better still they maybe killed in action I am always surprised by people, don't say this don't do that,! just how I wonder if a member of there family was going to
be beheaded by some CUNT. I have a good idea you seem to be blinded by the law, but the people
that we are dealing with do not abide by laws.
The Geneva Confession and treating prisoners of War, executing beheading remember all LAWS mean nothing to them, you could wave your law books till the cows come home.
We could say sometimes we are too stupid and far to soft with theses people, to be honest we are
a laughing stock in this country, we have people preaching hatred and it takes years to get rid of them, and we take them in and what price we are paying for it now.;)
No we are an incredibly powerful country, and that is in large part because of law. If we are to live in a capitalist society, a secure stable environment is a huge advantage, and we have that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoWhat's UKIP or the BNP got to do with it,! theses people are committing treason, why on earthQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidThat is being ideological, it is a non starter. It would require a change in a law, that only a UKIP or BNP government would even think of introducing. So even if somehow either got into power, the law would still be two years away, so it has no relevance to this debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
should they not answer for there crimes, better still they maybe killed in action I am always surprised by people, don't say this don't do that,! just how I wonder if a member of there family was going to
be beheaded by some CUNT. I have a good idea you seem to be blinded by the law, but the people
that we are dealing with do not abide by laws.
The Geneva Confession and treating prisoners of War, executing beheading remember all LAWS mean nothing to them, you could wave your law books till the cows come home.
We could say sometimes we are too stupid and far to soft with theses people, to be honest we are
a laughing stock in this country, we have people preaching hatred and it takes years to get rid of them, and we take them in and what price we are paying for it now.;)
A very small minority of Muslims in this Country (.02% at the most), have choose to go to Syria/Iraq and fight. If these people are shown to have committed criminal acts, due process can be used if they return.
What IS has done is a terrible act of propaganda. They lack the legitimacy to rule, so have to use fear to get their message across. By not rising to their grotesque actions, and continuing to live in a society without the fear of State execution as well as showing compassion to the families affected by these horrific acts, we are doing our small bit to defeat them.
Yes a very small minority but the majority don't seem to condone, there acts if we live in a societyQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidNo we are an incredibly powerful country, and that is in large part because of law. If we are to live in a capitalist society, a secure stable environment is a huge advantage, and we have that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bandoWhat's UKIP or the BNP got to do with it,! theses people are committing treason, why on earthQuote:
Originally Posted by BritkidThat is being ideological, it is a non starter. It would require a change in a law, that only a UKIP or BNP government would even think of introducing. So even if somehow either got into power, the law would still be two years away, so it has no relevance to this debate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dia bando
should they not answer for there crimes, better still they maybe killed in action I am always surprised by people, don't say this don't do that,! just how I wonder if a member of there family was going to
be beheaded by some CUNT. I have a good idea you seem to be blinded by the law, but the people
that we are dealing with do not abide by laws.
The Geneva Confession and treating prisoners of War, executing beheading remember all LAWS mean nothing to them, you could wave your law books till the cows come home.
We could say sometimes we are too stupid and far to soft with theses people, to be honest we are
a laughing stock in this country, we have people preaching hatred and it takes years to get rid of them, and we take them in and what price we are paying for it now.;)
A very small minority of Muslims in this Country (.02% at the most), have choose to go to Syria/Iraq and fight. If these people are shown to have committed criminal acts, due process can be used if they return.
What IS has done is a terrible act of propaganda. They lack the legitimacy to rule, so have to use fear to get their message across. By not rising to their grotesque actions, and continuing to live in a society without the fear of State execution as well as showing compassion to the families affected by these horrific acts, we are doing our small bit to defeat them.
that shows tolerance, and we receive none back remember people can only show so much tolerance, and maybe people are getting sick of treading softly, it could be time to carry a big stick.
When you fight Issa you exterminate them simple, War my friend is not cricket it's bloody and grotesque, the taking of a life in War is a grotesque act.
But we have no place in this Country for Fundamentalism, why do we except it theses people
ARE WAR CRIMINALS, they are not citizens any Country would wish to call there own.
ISIS is quite developed and strong. They make billions on black market oil, have governmental support, safe haven, a place to train and recruit which is exactly what happened in Afganistan prior to 9/11
Don't make Obama's mistake of thinking they are a junior varsity team. I don't speak because I am an American and I'm afraid of a bigger 9/11 which is what ISIS says there plans for the US are but look what the Taliban, who have the same ideology. Did to their own country. This shit gotta stop. The US spends 44 percent of the world's military budget. Often I think it's a waste but with fuckers like these people alive it makes me think we aren't so stupid as we have always been willing to help out friends in distress even though we get spoken so much shit about. Canada doesn't even bother with a Military, why should they, we are there neighbors. They don't need to worry other than protesting what we do as they are safe due to proximity. I appreciate all religions, I don't care what Islam did 1000 years ago I care what is going on today. If you want to preach your religion and try to convert others fine, it's freedom of speech and expression, but if these people face death for not doing so you don't have a Religion you have evil. Again, I'm talking about today. Where are these moderate Islamists speaking out against this stuff. When I see born again Christians harrasing people around here I always step in, I don't think you should harass people to convert let alone kill them. We are fighting a wide spread very accepted ideology all over the world. I hope I'm wrong but I think at some point a big portion of the world is going to be glad the US has spent almost fifty percent of the world's defense money within our borders. These cocksuckers aren't going to be sitting at the peace table anytime soon.
We should all chip in and buy miles a one way ticket to ISIS-land....the rest will sort itself out
I think we've gone well beyond being expected to treat these individuals as a matter of law and judges, and just the thought of that in and of itself is both terrifying in a 'free Nation' as it is a hardened realism. These are savages looking to die more spectacularly than the guy they are sitting next too and to be honest the last place we need one is sitting in a prison system with numbers of individuals who are convinced they are being screwed over and might have little to live for as it is. We have shifted dramatically post 9/11 and have seen the direct effects and inefficiency on the Governments part in regards to civil liberties, laws implemented from the front lawn of the White House over 4 terms but I cannot believe there is a thinking man alive that truly believes that any man who non flinchingly saws the head off of a breathing man or woman and executes prisoners can be reasoned with, or should be. They want to die in spectacular fashion... I say we help them, quick fast and in a hurry. It wouldn't surprise me and I look forward to the next time this executioner steps in front of the camera that his own head disappears into a cloud of red mist. There is no sitting on the fence and talking it out with these. We no longer have that luxury.
As Brit Kid has said if they come back here then they should be arrested and charged. Making martyrs of these idiots will make the situation worse.