Pac has a better shot at beating Floyd NOW than several years ago
I'm not going to get into all the "This fight has lost its luster/They should have fought years ago" talk.
All things considered, Floyd (whom i had projected to beat Pac without much difficulty at one point) would have a very tough time overcoming Pacquaio at this point of his career. This is not to say that PAC hasn't declined as well , but factoring each fighters advantages/disadvantages (speed, reflexes, countering, exposure to punches....) amongst each other then and how they appear now, I can certainly say that Pac has closed the gap with Floyd more than Floyd has widened the gap with him.
Re: Pac has a better shot at beating Floyd NOW than several years ago
I think I agree with that, but I'm not sure where Manny is relative to several years ago either, he certainly isn't the same high octane guy and has been content to stick and move himself in the late rounds. I don't think there's anything to suggest he'd have a chance of stopping Floyd based on the Rios or Bradley fights, and is he really capable of winning rounds without that killer instinct? To me, the Algeri fight should be a pretty good measuring stick of what Pac has left as well. He should still be able to give him a beat down, we'll see..
Re: Pac has a better shot at beating Floyd NOW than several years ago
Pac has to obliterate Algeri for me to at least consider he can beat Mayweather
Re: Pac has a better shot at beating Floyd NOW than several years ago
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Violent Demise
Pac has to obliterate Algeri for me to at least consider he can beat Mayweather
Floyd has obliterated who to make you think he can beat pac?
Floyd didnt want to fight pac for a reason. He said on video that he didnt want to get hurt....that was years back, so that that floyd has seemingly slowed down...he really doesnt want to take that chance.
I see pac by stoppage.
If floyd were to fight pac and one other dangerous fighter.....even in a loss he would gain sooo much respect from me just from stepping into the ring with people that can truly fuck him up. If he cherry picks his last two fights...then he is a bitch fo life.
Re: Pac has a better shot at beating Floyd NOW than several years ago
I agree with that. Both guys are clearly out of their prime but maybe Floyd has slid farther, who knows.
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Floyd has obliterated who to make you think he can beat pac?
How about the guy who KTFO Pac and arguably beat him 4 times?
I'm not a big believer in boxing math (A>B, B>C, A>C), but Pac struggled hard with JMM's mobile counter punching, and Floyd proved that JMM isn't even in his league in terms of counter punching, speed, and overall skill.
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chris6878
Floyd has obliterated who to make you think he can beat pac?
How about the guy who KTFO Pac and arguably beat him 4 times?
I'm not a big believer in boxing math (A>B, B>C, A>C), but Pac struggled hard with JMM's mobile counter punching, and Floyd proved that JMM isn't even in his league in terms of counter punching, speed, and overall skill.
You do have to remember that he jumped two weight classes just for Floyd to not even make weight so I don't know why people consider this such a great win for Floyd.
Re: Pac has a better shot at beating Floyd NOW than several years ago
I actually agree with this. Back when this fight was first talked about, I thought that Floyd would easily outbox then TKO Pac. At this point, Floyd has slowed down enough to where I think that he would really play it safe and just stay on the outside and hold like we saw in the maidana rematch. I think he still wins but it's tougher and uglier.
Re: Pac has a better shot at beating Floyd NOW than several years ago
I can see the original posters argument here. I still think things are a bit skewed. Floyds legs have rusted up a little and he's not quite as mobile. He's slowing down and might not avoid every punch he's trying to avoid. I still consider Floyd sandbagged with using a bad style for the first part of 1st maidana fight.
With Pac, i'm not saying he's dead in the water but I don't think he's back to his best. A knockout like that changes a fighter. Not to mention he's taken his foot off the gas in fights prior to that. Pac fought on and that's great. Rebounding against rios (who was a limited slugger that's there to take a beating) and Bradley rematch (but everyone knew pac won the first fight anyway)
If we still believe these too are the best 2 fighters at the weight. I'd like to see Pacquiao win but I still think Floyds bigger at the weight and his style will be the ace up his sleeve. Unless Freddy's got a hell of game plan up his sleeve and Manny pressing every minute of every round.. its hard to really feel that Manny would be in control of the fight unless Floyds mentally distracted which is entirely possible considering the split with golden boy (forcing him to be lead promoter) and Ellerbe.
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Violent Demise
Pac has to obliterate Algeri for me to at least consider he can beat Mayweather
He will more than obliterate Algeiri. He will beat Algeiri worse than he did Rios... everyone can see it coming.
Hope Algieri make a good chunk of change as a result of this beating. Hope he gets knocked out and doesn't take too much damage...
Re: Pac has a better shot at beating Floyd NOW than several years ago
I like many others agree with the original poster that the gap has narrowed, but I still think Floyd Wins.
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Beanflicker
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chris6878
Floyd has obliterated who to make you think he can beat pac?
How about the guy who KTFO Pac and arguably beat him 4 times?
I'm not a big believer in boxing math (A>B, B>C, A>C), but Pac struggled hard with JMM's mobile counter punching, and Floyd proved that JMM isn't even in his league in terms of counter punching, speed, and overall skill.
You do have to remember that he jumped two weight classes just for Floyd to not even make weight so I don't know why people consider this such a great win for Floyd.
Exactly I knew someone would mention that. Then he backs it up with not being a beliver in boxing math????!?!?
Pac beat him how many times, and yet kept fighting him. Jmm finnaly ko's pac, but not before getting the blood beat out of him....jmm was leaking do you remember that. and like I said, who has floyd obliterated in the last few years
Re: Pac has a better shot at beating Floyd NOW than several years ago
I disagree and believe Floyd knows he has a better chance know which is why it didnt happen earluier. Manny relies on pure speed. Floyd has so much more to his game. A slowdown with age damages Pac more than Floyd.
Re: Pac has a better shot at beating Floyd NOW than several years ago
I agree with the OP.
I think it's a 50/50 fight now but i lean towards Floyd's skill to win him the fight.
