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Am I the only one who feels that Al Haymon is actually bad for the sport? Since beginning of PBC we have already seen a number of catchweight fights (Garcia vs. Peterson was a joke), fighters missing weight and dodgy decisions. I'm worried his dominance will lead to further widespread corruption within the sport because money talks.
I think Haymon is doing some good work. Hell man, if you really feel something is amiss write to Haymon and ask him about it.
My advice is to be as courteous and as accurate as possible. Your letter will not be opened by Haymon so if you want him to hear about it be courteous and accurate.
Let them know how excited everyone at Saddo Boxing is about all the new developments in boxing and then slip in your question or complaint.
Thank them for their time.
I'm serious! You might get a response, some tickets, or both. Hell, you might even get a chance to meet Big Al.
What do you think this is, a house of learnin doctors?Quote:
Originally Posted by beenKOed
This is an Internet forum full of cunts.
We bitch n moan n do nothing about it. It is the saddo way! Lol
Haymon is basically setting up his own version of professional boxing. He's going to cut out the existing sanctioning bodies and have his own PBC champions.
What that means is, if he's successful, is that you have PBC and then all the other promoters working with the WBC/A/O/IBF and so on. Boxing becomes even more bi or trifurcated than before, as it's highly unlikely that Haymon manages to sign every single boxing attraction out there.
For example, Kovalev-Stevenson is now an absolute nonstarter as Kovalev is on HBO and Haymon is never going to allow Stevenson to fight on HBO.
The best thing that can happen is for Haymon to bomb and the people bankrolling him to pull the plug. If that happens we go back to guys like Arum and Fishnets occasionally doing business with each other. Maybe these guys get into the habit of doing business while threatenend with Haymon and if/when Haymon does blow up they stay in the habit. So long term Haymon may turn out to be a good thing.
I'm down with Al Haymon.
Boxing on television is never a bad thing.
Boxing on cable or PPV prevented no less than two decades of young kids from watching or knowing exciting fighters with no major promoters.
The great action fights that could have made casual fans, devout fans are endless.
So you blame Haymon for no Kov/Stevenson fight even though they said they were happy to go to the purse bid and Kovalev asked that he be removed from his mandatory position so no purse bid would happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Did Haymon also cause the fall of the Romans?
I'm with you, I sure don't see anything sinister in what Haymon is doing. It's too early to say and like you say more exposure for boxing is a good thing. Let's give it a chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
Damn, I wish you hadn't ask that question. You ever heard of the Hot Tub Time Machine? There was a black dude in that Tub!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSo you blame Haymon for no Kov/Stevenson fight even though they said they were happy to go to the purse bid and Kovalev asked that he be removed from his mandatory position so no purse bid would happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Did Haymon also cause the fall of the Romans?
You almost made me shoot milk out of my nose. I had milk earlierQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedDamn, I wish you hadn't ask that question. You ever heard of the Hot Tub Time Machine? There was a black dude in that Tub!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSo you blame Haymon for no Kov/Stevenson fight even though they said they were happy to go to the purse bid and Kovalev asked that he be removed from his mandatory position so no purse bid would happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Did Haymon also cause the fall of the Romans?
Fall of the romans hahaaahaaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonYou almost made me shoot milk out of my nose. I had milk earlierQuote:
Originally Posted by beenKOedDamn, I wish you hadn't ask that question. You ever heard of the Hot Tub Time Machine? There was a black dude in that Tub!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSo you blame Haymon for no Kov/Stevenson fight even though they said they were happy to go to the purse bid and Kovalev asked that he be removed from his mandatory position so no purse bid would happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Did Haymon also cause the fall of the Romans?
When the 3 networks were moving away from boxing and there were no internet forums, those cable shows were all we had. Plenty of todays superstars came up on them, the then casual fans just had to follow. More so found a reason to follow. Casual fans were stung and hopefully stick around to learn what they are paying for after "the fight of the century" turned into dud a couple of weeks ago. Haymon is providing serious new exposure for in large part mostly established guys, but great exposure to casual fans none the less. I do think the catchweight bs is out of hand for the sport in generalQuote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
I think the afternoon cards have been terrific because the UK get them primetime. Can't be a coincidence that Eddie Hearn's fighters - DeGale, Burns and McDonnell have all been part of the afternoon shows. Keep it going.
I don't care about catchweights (within reason) or belts just the best matches possible being made.
Give Al Haymon & Premier Boxing Champions a chance. I do not think he is the dark evil overlord that he is made out to be but I am not going to criticise him for providing free boxing events for the general public.
No, read what I wrote again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSo you blame Haymon for no Kov/Stevenson fight even though they said they were happy to go to the purse bid and Kovalev asked that he be removed from his mandatory position so no purse bid would happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Did Haymon also cause the fall of the Romans?
I did. You wrote "Haymon is not going to allow..." That looks like blame on Haymon. But the system said that the fight would happen. Haymon and Stevenson said they were looking forward to the purse bid. The fight would have been on the Network that paid most but Duva/Kovalev were not in agreement with that. If Duva won the purse bid they could have had the fight on HBO. Haymon wasn't stopping anything. Kovalev was advised to ask to be removed from his spot. And then in the last couple days he signed an HBO exclusive deal!!! So it seems more about Duva/Kovalev not being willing to fight off HBO than it was about Haymon not being willing to fight on HBO. Until that exclusive contract the fighters could fight wherever paid most, that is the roadblock. Not Haymon. Your point was right, as of that exclusive contract it is a non-starter. The problem is where you placed blame. Stevenson shouldn't have to take less to cater to Kovalev. If he does good for him. But it was absolutely Duva and Kovalev who created all barriers to that fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland LaingNo, read what I wrote again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron SwansonSo you blame Haymon for no Kov/Stevenson fight even though they said they were happy to go to the purse bid and Kovalev asked that he be removed from his mandatory position so no purse bid would happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing
Did Haymon also cause the fall of the Romans?
I thought Haymon/Stevenson were the problem. I like Kovalev(except the racism, the monkey thing could have been a mistake but that interview from about 6 months ago there is no denying how the man feels) I would root for Kovalev. But it is clear by actual actions who stopped this fight right now. Maybe it happens, if Haymon and Stevenson are willing to bend over backwards to make it. But before Duva/Kovalev changed things it was straight forward and simple.