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Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez to face Dmitry Bivol in Las Vegas on 7 May
Undisputed world super-middleweight champion Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez will step up to light-heavyweight to fight WBA champion Dmitry Bivol on 7 May.
Alvarez, 31, is rated as the world's leading pound-for-pound male boxer.
His most recent bout was November's win over American Caleb Plant, becoming the first man to hold the IBF, WBA, WBC, WBO super-middleweight crowns.
On facing Russia's Bivol in Las Vegas, Alvarez said: "It is another great challenge for me and my career."
Bivol, also 31, is undefeated in his 19 professional bouts, with 11 of the victories coming by knockout.
He has held the WBA light-heavyweight title since 2016, defending the belt 10 times.
Now he will face Mexico's Alvarez in the first of a multi-fight deal with Matchroom and DAZN, with the second set for September.
"I always only wanted to fight the best. I believe that the rest of my goals will begin to materialise on 7 May," said Bivol.
Matchroom boss Eddie Hearn said the multi-fight deal with Alvarez was "an absolute honour".
"Canelo transcends boxing and is the biggest star in the sport," said Hearn.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/60536012
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
the legend continues to grow
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
Have to admire this guy’s willingness to take on the best. If he can beat Bivol it will be time for me to once again re-evaluate my ATG list. Not saying that win gets him to top 10, but it will get him high on my list. He has beaten consistently tough opposition, and his only loss was to an ATG.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
Since Alvarez left golden boy there has been a lot less of the weight shenanigans and he took on all the smw Champions(well and yildirim to he fair) and is off to fight bivol next...Maybe de lo hoya is the one who deserves more of the ire than Alvarez does.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
Well... DLH was (over)protecting his cash cow to be sure. That pantyhose he once posed with may have been a little too tight, cutting off oxygen to his brain. 'Cause he sure has done some crazy ass shet ever since (was) retired from boxing.
Canelo needs to continue taking on all comers... WITHOUT the diva demands and catchweights. Without marinating or cherry picking. Without stacking the deck in his favor.
Bivol is a good start.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
Big test for Canelo, no complaints here. Just hope we get to see it , with all that’s going on at the moment.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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Primo Carnera
Big test for Canelo, no complaints here. Just hope we get to see it , with all that’s going on at the moment.
Forgot about that! Bivol and Beterbiev are both Russian.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
Russian boxer Dmitry Bivol wishes ‘only for peace’ following Russia’s invasion of the Ukraine and believes the likes of Oleksandr Usyk and Vasiliy Lomachenko must do ‘what they have to do’ in the fight.
WBA light-heavyweight champion Bivol, undefeated in 19 professional fights, will take on pound-for-pound king Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez in May with the Mexican moving up in weight class in pursuit of more glory.
Following confirmation of their fight last week, the two came together at a press conference in San Diego on Wednesday with the growing crisis in Ukraine inevitably became a talking point.
Bivol was born in Tokmak, Kyrgyzstan, but has been a long-time resident of St Petersburg and is a Russian citizen. The 31-year-old has not expressed his support for Russian president Vladimir Putin with his immediate concern for friends and family in both Russia and Ukraine.
‘I have a lot of friends in Ukraine,’ Bivol said. ‘I have a lot of friends in Russia. My family is in Russia.’
Bivol added he has ‘a lot of friends everywhere’ and wishes them ‘only peace and only the best.’
‘It’s really sad for me,’ he said. ‘Every day I wake up and read the news and I hope it will stop.’
Heavyweight world champion Usyk and three-weight world champion Lomachenko have both returned to their homeland of Ukraine to take up arms following the invasion.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...d=winp1taskbar
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
My boxing knowledge is not what it used to be. Nowhere near in fact. Had to Google the guy as never heard of him - hmmm it appears he’s Mexican with only one defeat. Beddum tish.
But on a serious note I can’t see this fight happening. If this war continues we’ve only touched the surface of the restrictions against Russians for the foreseeable.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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Primo Carnera
Big test for Canelo, no complaints here. Just hope we get to see it , with all that’s going on at the moment.
Forgot about that! Bivol and Beterbiev are both Russian.
I know you plank! ;D But in case you hadn’t heard, Russian athletes have been banned from the paralympics. Who knows if this carries on , other sports might follow suit.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
Bivol is also a krygz citizen too so maybe they'd let him skip around any sanctions the organizers would level at the Russians... Or maybe Malibu at cruiserweight is back on the table :S
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
There's probably an asterisk against anything upcoming to be fair. The participants nationality is the tip of the iceberg. Until they're in the ring and all that.
Good fight, quality fight. I know there will be Charlo/Andrade/Benavidez this and that, but I'm with Canelo on this. Fuck off and do your own thing and I'll beat up who's left when the smoke clears. Whats the saying about hoping or wishing it will happen? Go away and make it happen. It's all getting a bit desperate.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
It's actually too bad the reality of the dastardly Russian invasion of Ukraine has totally overshadowed this fight. It's probably one of the precious few times in Canelo's career that I have openly conceded that this is a bonafide opponent, at the height of his powers, with no size advantage that I know of. But overshadow it has... and one has to wonder about Bivol's mindset and training coming into this fight. You have to admit... these are totally new and extenuating circumstances that are difficult to just "blow off."
https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/214527/214527
"Dmitry Bivol: ‘I’m Ready For Everything From Canelo’ On May 7th"
The article above has one statement that I sort of disagree with... (which again will be of much dismay to those who view me as just a Canelo hater). :D
"If Bivol is reluctant to let his hands go, as we saw with the 168-lb champions Billy Joe Saunders, Caleb Plant, Rocky Fielding and Callum Smith all were against Canelo, he’s going to get picked apart."
I actually thought BJS was giving as good as he got up until the time he was injured by that uppercut to the eye socket. To this day some in boxing scratch their heads at how much damage Canelo was able to inflict on a full-blown supermiddle with a single punch... when Canelo himself has come up from light welter. But that's another story for another time, I guess. ;)
The point is that one punch immediately turned the whole fight into a stoppage.
But the rest?? You damn right they were reluctant to let their hands go. Callum Smith IMO turned in the 2nd worst possible performance against Canelo (after Kovalev) as the "bigger man." He fought like Bambi.
Rocky Fielding was garbage... precisely the reason he was targeted for the "trinket-grab."
Caleb Plant fought valiantly... but from outset he was no danger to Canelo... and the entire civilized world knew that. Hardly a suspenseful match.
But yeah. For once we have a credible, dangerous, equal-sized (at least), not-over-the-hill, not-cherry-picked, not-marinated opponent for Canelo..... and then his country up and invades Ukraine. :vd:
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
You are right about Callum Smith, he was a real let down.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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Memphis
There's probably an asterisk against anything upcoming to be fair. The participants nationality is the tip of the iceberg. Until they're in the ring and all that.
Good fight, quality fight. I know there will be Charlo/Andrade/Benavidez this and that, but I'm with Canelo on this. Fuck off and do your own thing and I'll beat up who's left when the smoke clears. Whats the saying about hoping or wishing it will happen? Go away and make it happen. It's all getting a bit desperate.
Crazy days right now. Not allowing the strap to be defended might just halt this in its tracks but as goes boxing they may conjure some technicality to allow it. They may be onto something with no banners-flags or anthems though ;D. All feels like some eerie old school cold war wrestling right now, slap a big hammer and sickle on Bivol robe and have Canelo come out in some stars n Bars unitard.
Pop had a saying for the bolded...'you can wish in one and shit in the other, see which fills up fastest'.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
Klitschko brothers call for Russian boxer to be banned from fighting Canelo Alvarez
The Klitschko brothers have called on boxing authorities to ban Russian boxer Dmitry Bivol from fighting against Canelo Alvarez following Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.
More than two million people have now fled the country and the UN has recorded over 1,335 civilian casualties since the war began, with a host of sanctions imposed on Russia as a result.
In the sporting world there has been a near universal response with F1 cancelling the Russian Grand Prix and Russian athletes prevented from competing at the Paralympic Winter Games.
But one high-profile Russian athlete – undefeated WBA light-heavyweight champion Bivol – is still due to face pound-for-pound superstar Canelo, and the Klitschkos do not believe the bout should go ahead.
Asked if Bivol should be allowed to fight Canelo, Wladimir Klitschko – who has remained in Kyiv to fight against Russia alongside his brother – told BBC Radio 5 Live: ‘Absolutely not.
‘Every sanction, and it’s nothing against the personality or athletes, it’s about the politics of Russia.
‘Every Russian representative in this case needs to be sanctioned, because this way we show to Russia that the world is against this senseless war and that there’s no good in this war.’
Vitali, who is the Mayor of Kyiv, added: ‘And the Russia population have to put pressure on the government, on Putin, from inside the country and show that it’s actually a senseless war.
‘People pay with their lives, already thousands from both sides have died. The question is: for what?
‘For what [purpose] is the war? For our idea of being part of the European Union? For our idea of being part of the European family?
‘The reason is because Putin does not want to see Ukraine as an independent country. He has a crazy idea to rebuild the Soviet empire. We were in the USSR and we don’t want to go back to the USSR.
‘We see our future as a democratic, modern country and that’s why we’re fighting for values, for principles, for our country.’
In further quotes carried by The Daily Mail, Wladimir actually called on the US government to intervene and prevent Bivol from travelling to Las Vegas.
The former heavyweight added: ‘It is important that this boxer is forbidden from fighting in America, just as all Russian athletes are being banned from international competition.’
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...cid=entnewsntp
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
Ban Bivol because of what Putin is doing?
Hey... mad respect for the Klitschko brothers. They're going above and beyond in their defense of their homeland. It's also understandable why they would have those sentiments. But from an objective perspective, what is gained by banning Bivol from fighting Canelo? Olympic teams? Sure. Other international team competitions? Absolutely. But Bivol is a professional boxer who just happens to be from Russia. I'm pretty sure he wasn't consulted about the decision to invade Ukraine.
Although TBH... if Bivol is going to be another "Timid Susan" in the ring with Canelo, and hand him a decision... yeah... ban him from fighting Canelo. ;) :D
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
I'll take Canelo by KO. I'm not saying Bivol hasn't got the goods, he's a good light heavy but he's very wide with his punches and likes to fight at his own pace and can be caught going straight back sometimes. He might not have been ready for that shot at the bell by Joe Smith, but it shows he can be wobbled. He recovered well for the next round, but his legs were jelly and against a good finisher with time, I don't think he'll be given that chance. I think he's a bit more dynamic than Beterbiev and not quite as stiff. That being said, I still think he's going to get caught with a counter he doesn't see and his corner will throw in the towel before too much damage is done.
Barring a KO, Bivols not winning a decision... not against Canelo. There will always be at least one judge that sees it 121-96 in favor if Canelo. Add this cancel culture nonsense on top of that and no way a Russian fighter will get anything in his favor on a world stage. It was a tactic that the clique-y teenage whiners brought to social media before the pandemic and now its been inflated to a global scale since, and is being used in war and international conflict and competition... how embarrassing. "I don't like you so we're gonna tell everyone you're not a nice person and everyone is going to out of their way to act like they ignore you to show how they good they are by attacking you and your views.." "Its not enough for you not to do the thing I don't like, you have to attack the people doing what I don't like..." Imagine being an athlete who has trained your whole life for something and then being told you can't compete because people are in their feelings about what your country/ancestors/ people that are the same skin color/ gender/ religion, etc did and where from 2 seconds ago to thousands of years ago. Whatever happened to the good old days when if someone had a problem with you directly, they stepped to you and went out on their feet or on their ass? or even filed a lawsuit (where you both had something to lose if you were wrong) Large scale tattling and shit-talking has become a way for people to get other people fight their battles for them. Mike Tyson was right, the internet made people too comfortable talking crap about people without getting punched in the face for it.
Klitchsko should know better. If you want to fight for your country, that's great. but there are people on both side of that border in harms way. Neither of which has to do with Bivol being able to fight Canelo.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
The 2 biggest tests for Canelo just happen to be Russian. Respect to Alvarez for even to dare and move up in weight to take them on. I think both would beat Canelo and would be a bridge too far for him.
Still cannot get over the fact that 1 judge had the first bout against Golovkin 118-110 to Canelo.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
canelo fighting dmitry before artur did. legend
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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Master
The 2 biggest tests for Canelo just happen to be Russian. Respect to Alvarez for even to dare and move up in weight to take them on. I think both would beat Canelo and would be a bridge too far for him.
Still cannot get over the fact that 1 judge had the first bout against Golovkin 118-110 to Canelo.
I'll see your judge... and raise you the judge that saw the Floyd-Canelo fight 114-114.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez believes David Benavidez and Jermall Charlo should ‘fight each other’ as he insists ‘I’m busy this year’.
Undisputed super-middleweight world champion Canelo Alvarez, 31, will move up to 178 pounds and challenge WBA light heavyweight titleholder Dmitry Bivol on May 7 at the T-Mobile Arena in Las Vegas.
Naturally, this move has been met with criticism from some quarters, including Benavidez, 25, Charlo, 31, and Demetrius Andrade, 34.
But boxing‘s pound-for-pound king claims he doesn’t care about what other people think because he is tired of them waiting around for a ‘payday’ against him.
Canelo told DAZN: “I’m busy this year.
“I know they want that payday but I really don’t understand why they don’t fight each other.
“Fight each other and then I’ll fight the winner of all of them. I don’t f****** care.”
It comes after Canelo recently signed a contract for a two-fight deal with Matchroom and DAZN.
Promoter Eddie Hearn, who promoted both of his last two fights against Caleb Plant and Billy Joe Saunders, struggled to contain his excitement at working again with the Mexican.
He also responded to claims that Canelo is avoiding fights with Benavidez and Charlo by insisting that he ‘would not dodge anyone’.
Speaking to FightHype.com, Hearn said: “People say, oh Canelo, oh he ducked Charlo, he ducked Benavidez – absolute bull***t. Canelo will not duck anyone.
“Canelo wants to at least feel like he’s either gaining something from fighting you or winning a belt or you’ve earned the fight.
“He looks at Benavidez and he looks at Charlo and he won’t want to say it publicly because he’ll feel like he’s making excuses but he’s like, ‘Those guys don’t fight anybody’, same with Demetrius.
“It’s not their faults – well it’s probably Charlo’s fault – but it’s not Benavidez’s fault and it’s not Andrade’s fault.
“I believe David Benavidez wants to be in big fights but they’re not delivering it for him. I know that Demetrius wants to be in big fights. Not sure about Charlo because he’s turned down a lot of big fights.
“That’s the plan is to put them together but I think that Benavidez will be a massive star and down the road Canelo vs Benavidez is a massive fight.
“If he can get some decent wins on his resume it will be a massive fight.”
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/boxi...id=msedgntphdr
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
For once I agree with the ginger-haired diva. He can't fight everyone at once... and everyone's clamoring for the cash cow. Carefully coddled or not (I choose the former)... the fact is he's where he's at, and everyone wants a piece of him. There's all kinds of time for Ginger to fight Benavidez. Ditto with Charlo. Andrade's getting up there in age, but what the hell. Again... I'm happy Ginger's fighting Bivol, without (it appears so far) any diva demands. Unfortunately... Canelo only fights at home, where the judges all have their pockets lined and the Ginger brand is sacred. So Bivol better come to fight, and try and get Ginger out of there. Otherwise it's CJ Ross all over again.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
i doubt judges will be needed for this fight. canelo will end it by a late knockout
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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TIC
i doubt judges will be needed for this fight. canelo will end it by a late knockout
If judges are needed then Bivol should win on points. He will outbox Canelo as Kovalev was doing before he capitulated late on in their fight. I need to find out how the judges had that fight because Canelo should have been behind.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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Master
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TIC
i doubt judges will be needed for this fight. canelo will end it by a late knockout
If judges are needed then Bivol should win on points. He will outbox Canelo as Kovalev was doing before he capitulated late on in their fight. I need to find out how the judges had that fight because Canelo should have been behind.
i think canelo could also win on the cards like he did against ggg in the second fight. but i see a canelo knockout or dmitry getting bludgeoned in survival mode. the judges had canelo ahead on two cards ninety six to ninety four & even on the third. i had in even after ten
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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Master
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TIC
i doubt judges will be needed for this fight. canelo will end it by a late knockout
If judges are needed then Bivol should win on points. He will outbox Canelo as Kovalev was doing before he capitulated late on in their fight. I need to find out how the judges had that fight because Canelo should have been behind.
The judges had it pretty close with Alvarez ahead by one, maybe even on one of them...although that's one I totally disagree with, I don't see why Kovalev was scoring so many points, he was just retreating and tapping Alvarez s gloves the whole fight, the only good punches came from Alvarez and then of course he ended it :S
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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Master
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TIC
i doubt judges will be needed for this fight. canelo will end it by a late knockout
If judges are needed then Bivol should win on points. He will outbox Canelo as Kovalev was doing before he capitulated late on in their fight. I need to find out how the judges had that fight because Canelo should have been behind.
I disagree on both counts, @Master.
Bivol will never win on points. Never. Nunca. Jamais. Nooit. Nie. Not in Vegas, for crying out loud. Bivol would have to drop Canelo in every round to have any chance at getting a decision. And even then it would be split.
Ginger is the most protected fighter in modern history... and anyone who doesn't believe that is suffering from denial.
Kovalev fought Ginger like a shell-shocked Bambi. Looks like Andre Ward's KO of him to the body took out any of the bully that used to intimidate opponents. Team Ginger must've watched LOTS of film.
Bivol's not a murderous puncher.
So unfortunately he goes for the knockout and risks getting tagged himself..... or he resigns himself to seeing Ginger's arm raised at the end of the fight regardless of who actually deserves the decision.
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Master
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TIC
i doubt judges will be needed for this fight. canelo will end it by a late knockout
If judges are needed then Bivol should win on points. He will outbox Canelo as Kovalev was doing before he capitulated late on in their fight. I need to find out how the judges had that fight because Canelo should have been behind.
I disagree on both counts, @
Master.
Bivol will never win on points. Never. Nunca. Jamais. Nooit. Nie. Not in Vegas, for crying out loud. Bivol would have to drop Canelo in every round to have any chance at getting a decision. And even then it would be split.
Ginger is the most protected fighter in modern history... and anyone who doesn't believe that is suffering from denial.
Kovalev fought Ginger like a shell-shocked Bambi. Looks like Andre Ward's KO of him to the body took out any of the bully that used to intimidate opponents. Team Ginger must've watched LOTS of film.
Bivol's not a murderous puncher.
So unfortunately he goes for the knockout and risks getting tagged himself..... or he resigns himself to seeing Ginger's arm raised at the end of the fight regardless of who actually deserves the decision.
i could see dmitry winning a decision without dropping canelo in every round & possibly a unanimous decision if can can box & keep canelo from planting his feet. i didn't think canelo was protected against austin, floyd, erislandy, ggg times two, danny, callum & billy joe. i thought sergey boxed well before canelo iced him. andre's robbery & then nut shots may have taken some of sergey's desire. canelo will dominate against dmitry & i doubt the judges will be needed
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
Golovkin definitely beat Canelo in their first fight and the judge that gave it to Canelo with his insane scoring showed he was being protected.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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Master
Golovkin definitely beat Canelo in their first fight and the judge that gave it to Canelo with his insane scoring showed he was being protected.
i can see a draw in the first ggg fight. i had canelo losing but i can see how a draw can be justified, not a win though. does a judge protect a fighter in actual combat? canelo has to get in the ring & actually fight these opponents. canelo facing the unbeaten ggg was a big risk & he fought him again in his next fight after many felt he lost the first. another big risk. if i was trying to protect a fighter i wouldn't be putting him in with ggg back to back
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Master
Golovkin definitely beat Canelo in their first fight and the judge that gave it to Canelo with his insane scoring showed he was being protected.
i can see a draw in the first ggg fight. i had canelo losing but i can see how a draw can be justified, not a win though. does a judge protect a fighter in actual combat? canelo has to get in the ring & actually fight these opponents. canelo facing the unbeaten ggg was a big risk & he fought him again in his next fight after many felt he lost the first. another big risk. if i was trying to protect a fighter i wouldn't be putting him in with ggg back to back
You would when you have at least 1 judge in your pocket and know all you have to do is get to a decision and you have a chance to win a decision. The extra burden on your opponent can be a negative.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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Master
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Master
Golovkin definitely beat Canelo in their first fight and the judge that gave it to Canelo with his insane scoring showed he was being protected.
i can see a draw in the first ggg fight. i had canelo losing but i can see how a draw can be justified, not a win though. does a judge protect a fighter in actual combat? canelo has to get in the ring & actually fight these opponents. canelo facing the unbeaten ggg was a big risk & he fought him again in his next fight after many felt he lost the first. another big risk. if i was trying to protect a fighter i wouldn't be putting him in with ggg back to back
You would when you have at least 1 judge in your pocket and know all you have to do is get to a decision and you have a chance to win a decision. The extra burden on your opponent can be a negative.
no i wouldn't because having a judge in your pocket doesn't soften the punches the opponent is throwing. lets say for example i have a judge in my pocket & know all i have to do is get jamie munguia to a decision and he will win a decision against ggg. even now that is a big risk for jamie. a judge in my pocket won't protect jamie in the ring. also canelo didn't get the decision in the first ggg fight
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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Master
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Master
Golovkin definitely beat Canelo in their first fight and the judge that gave it to Canelo with his insane scoring showed he was being protected.
i can see a draw in the first ggg fight. i had canelo losing but i can see how a draw can be justified, not a win though. does a judge protect a fighter in actual combat? canelo has to get in the ring & actually fight these opponents. canelo facing the unbeaten ggg was a big risk & he fought him again in his next fight after many felt he lost the first. another big risk. if i was trying to protect a fighter i wouldn't be putting him in with ggg back to back
You would when you have at least 1 judge in your pocket and know all you have to do is get to a decision and you have a chance to win a decision. The extra burden on your opponent can be a negative.
no i wouldn't because having a judge in your pocket doesn't soften the punches the opponent is throwing. lets say for example i have a judge in my pocket & know all i have to do is get jamie munguia to a decision and he will win a decision against ggg. even now that is a big risk for jamie. a judge in my pocket won't protect jamie in the ring. also canelo didn't get the decision in the first ggg fight
He got a gift of a draw.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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I'll take Canelo by KO. I'm not saying Bivol hasn't got the goods, he's a good light heavy but he's very wide with his punches and likes to fight at his own pace and can be caught going straight back sometimes. He might not have been ready for that shot at the bell by Joe Smith, but it shows he can be wobbled. He recovered well for the next round, but his legs were jelly and against a good finisher with time, I don't think he'll be given that chance. I think he's a bit more dynamic than Beterbiev and not quite as stiff. That being said, I still think he's going to get caught with a counter he doesn't see and his corner will throw in the towel before too much damage is done.
Barring a KO, Bivols not winning a decision... not against Canelo. There will always be at least one judge that sees it 121-96 in favor if Canelo. Add this cancel culture nonsense on top of that and no way a Russian fighter will get anything in his favor on a world stage. It was a tactic that the clique-y teenage whiners brought to social media before the pandemic and now its been inflated to a global scale since, and is being used in war and international conflict and competition... how embarrassing. "I don't like you so we're gonna tell everyone you're not a nice person and everyone is going to out of their way to act like they ignore you to show how they good they are by attacking you and your views.." "Its not enough for you not to do the thing I don't like, you have to attack the people doing what I don't like..." Imagine being an athlete who has trained your whole life for something and then being told you can't compete because people are in their feelings about what your country/ancestors/ people that are the same skin color/ gender/ religion, etc did and where from 2 seconds ago to thousands of years ago. Whatever happened to the good old days when if someone had a problem with you directly, they stepped to you and went out on their feet or on their ass? or even filed a lawsuit (where you both had something to lose if you were wrong) Large scale tattling and shit-talking has become a way for people to get other people fight their battles for them. Mike Tyson was right, the internet made people too comfortable talking crap about people without getting punched in the face for it.
Klitchsko should know better. If you want to fight for your country, that's great. but there are people on both side of that border in harms way. Neither of which has to do with Bivol being able to fight Canelo.
Look at the boomer making this all about his politics, talking about people used to do it face to face but now cancel culture has people saying things on the internet. While this boomer tells actual soldiers what’s what on the internet. The hypocrisy of this boomer is delicious.
Nobody cares about your politics. Leave the war to the fighting men old man
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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Golovkin definitely beat Canelo in their first fight and the judge that gave it to Canelo with his insane scoring showed he was being protected.
i can see a draw in the first ggg fight. i had canelo losing but i can see how a draw can be justified, not a win though. does a judge protect a fighter in actual combat? canelo has to get in the ring & actually fight these opponents. canelo facing the unbeaten ggg was a big risk & he fought him again in his next fight after many felt he lost the first. another big risk. if i was trying to protect a fighter i wouldn't be putting him in with ggg back to back
You would when you have at least 1 judge in your pocket and know all you have to do is get to a decision and you have a chance to win a decision. The extra burden on your opponent can be a negative.
no i wouldn't because having a judge in your pocket doesn't soften the punches the opponent is throwing. lets say for example i have a judge in my pocket & know all i have to do is get jamie munguia to a decision and he will win a decision against ggg. even now that is a big risk for jamie. a judge in my pocket won't protect jamie in the ring. also canelo didn't get the decision in the first ggg fight
He got a gift of a draw.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
I only hope Bivol approaches this as if he cannot trust the judges. Seems like total common sense to go out like the entire arena will be rooting against you, war and Nationality aside.
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Re: Saul 'Canelo' Alvarez v Dmitry Bivol - 7th May 2022
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Golovkin definitely beat Canelo in their first fight and the judge that gave it to Canelo with his insane scoring showed he was being protected.
i can see a draw in the first ggg fight. i had canelo losing but i can see how a draw can be justified, not a win though. does a judge protect a fighter in actual combat? canelo has to get in the ring & actually fight these opponents. canelo facing the unbeaten ggg was a big risk & he fought him again in his next fight after many felt he lost the first. another big risk. if i was trying to protect a fighter i wouldn't be putting him in with ggg back to back
You would when you have at least 1 judge in your pocket and know all you have to do is get to a decision and you have a chance to win a decision. The extra burden on your opponent can be a negative.
no i wouldn't because having a judge in your pocket doesn't soften the punches the opponent is throwing. lets say for example i have a judge in my pocket & know all i have to do is get jamie munguia to a decision and he will win a decision against ggg. even now that is a big risk for jamie. a judge in my pocket won't protect jamie in the ring. also canelo didn't get the decision in the first ggg fight
He got a gift of a draw.
in your opinion
Of course it is my opinion and many others including yours.