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Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
:pimp2: a fucking smorgasbord of fights for us fans Saturday night, including "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout.
April 20
At San Antonio (Showtime): Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin "No Doubt" Trout, 12 rounds, WBC/WBA junior middleweight unification; Omar Figueroa vs. Abner Cotto, 10 rounds, lightweights; Jermall Charlo vs. Orlando Lora, 8 rounds, junior middleweights; Terrell Gausha vs. Eddie Tigs, 4 rounds, super middleweights; Julian Williams vs. KeAndrae Leatherwood, 8 rounds, junior middleweights; Ivan Morales vs. Raul Hidalgo, 8 rounds, flyweights; Andres Gutierrez vs. Salvador Sanchez, 10 rounds, junior featherweights.
And:
At London (Epix and EpixHD.com): Nathan Cleverly vs. Robin Krasniqi, 12 rounds, for Cleverly's WBO light heavyweight title; Dereck Chisora vs. Hector Alfredo Avila, 10 rounds, heavyweights; Liam Walsh vs. Scott Harrison
I'm going to go with my boy Canelo and say he stops Trout in one of the later rounds. ( i've never been wrong 2 weeks in a row!)
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Mars < ~> :LOLATYOU: :drunks:
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
All Access: Canelo vs. Trout - SHOWTIME Boxing Promo:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP0-Au6POUU
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
I wrote a while back a three paragraph long analysis of why Trout will win, but since its damn 10 in the morning, I got finals and stuck at work I'll summarize.
- 1 I've seen him be out boxed for many rounds straight in a fight until he manages to tag the opponent.
- 2 Due to his lack of consistent jabbing, he's forced to be front foot heavy coming forward so he can hit you as soon as he's in range which in turn makes him vulnerable to check hooks as the boxer opponent turns him.
- 3 He has offensive lulls in majority of rounds which leads me to believe he might have a stamina issue or has a disposition of waiting for an opportunity to strike.
- 4 Squares up when he punches and though not terrible at defense, alas he is not the most gifted and will be eating jabs all night long.
- 5 I can't recall him fighting a good solid southpaw.
- 6 His punching power is akin to Angulo, he doesn't have the one punch KO power he just hits hard enough to wear you down. Now this is not a bad thing at all, in fact it would prevent him from falling in love with his power and get caught in the trap that Donaire did.
He being Canelo.
However since he doesn't jab all that much,I think he will even less against a southpaw and since he squares up while being front foot heavy, leans forward when punching, all of that combined it leads me to believe this fight will be very similar to Chavez Martinez
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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DavilaJones
I wrote a while back a three paragraph long
analysis of why Trout will win, but since its damn 10 in the morning, I got finals and stuck at work I'll summarize.
- 1 I've seen him be out boxed for many rounds straight in a fight until he manages to tag the opponent.
- 2 Due to his lack of consistent jabbing, he's forced to be front foot heavy coming forward so he can hit you as soon as he's in range which in turn makes him vulnerable to check hooks as the boxer opponent turns him.
- 3 He has offensive lulls in majority of rounds which leads me to believe he might have a stamina issue or has a disposition of waiting for an opportunity to strike.
- 4 Squares up when he punches and though not terrible at defense, alas he is not the most gifted and will be eating jabs all night long.
- 5 I can't recall him fighting a good solid southpaw.
- 6 His punching power is akin to Angulo, he doesn't have the one punch KO power he just hits hard enough to wear you down. Now this is not a bad thing at all, in fact it would prevent him from falling in love with his power and get caught in the trap that Donaire did.
However since he doesn't jab all that much,I think he will even less against a southpaw and since he squares up while being front foot heavy, leans forward when punching, all of that combined it leads me to believe this fight will be very similar to Chavez Martinez
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So this is a critique of Alvarez, explaining why Trout will win? :confused:
And Trout will be Martinez and Alvarez will be Chavez Jr.? If that's the case, I don't buy it. :-\
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
yeah I did a little edit its a critique of Canleo, my bad on that I normally write with a bit more clarity. I should also explain the comparison. I don't think, not by a long shot that Trout has the same pop as Sergio does but I I believe that he will be turning Canelo round and round and popping him with enough jabs to win rounds.
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
You've got to take the fact that this fight is in Texas into consideration. If Donaire Rigondeaux had been in Texas then Donaire would have won a split decision.
If Alvarez spends the fight coming forward and throwing punches then even if he gets picked off and soundly outboxed all night long then he'll get the decision.
And that's what I think will happen. I'm not sold on Alvarez. He looks the business in fights but he's fighting welterweights and light welterweights. I think Trout is a massive step up for him and will have enough to win a UD, but then Alvarez will get it on the cards.
If Alvarez does walk through him then I'll have to take him seriously.
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Well Trout did beat Saul's bother in Mexico but I do agree I have some trepidation regarding the bouts officiating.
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Gonna go with Canelo on this one, I think it will be his break out performance and he will win a hard fought SD. I think Canelo is faster and has more power than Trout but it will be a war!
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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Going down from Kansas to watch this one should be a great fight. Real excited for it. Predicting a Trout victory. Cheers 8)
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Alvarez stops Trout. Early. Decisively. No need for dodgy judges.
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
I'm going to Wembley for the Cleverly fight. Got ticket 7 rows from the front for £82.50 which I thought was a bargain for a decentish bill.
I'm going with Alvarez & Clevely by decision.
@Mars_ax just FYI, Sky are showing the Brian Rose vs. Joachim Alcine bill which also features Lee Selby this Saturday too.
Cleverly bill and later Alvarez vs. Trout are both live on Boxnation for the UK fans.
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I'm going to Wembley for the Cleverly fight. Got ticket 7 rounds from the front for £82.50 which I thought was a bargain for a decentish bill.
I'm going with Alvarez & Clevely by decision.
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Mars_ax just FYI, Sky are showing the Brian Rose vs. Joachim Alcine bill which also features Lee Selby this Saturday too.
Cleverly bill and later Alvarez vs. Trout are both live on Boxnation for the UK fans.
I backed Cleverly on points at 6/4 and Canelo by KO at 11/4
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Alvarez gets punched to much about the face and head. Lucky for him that he has been fighting men a lot smaller then him. This time he is fighting a big jr middle who is slick. I think Trout is going to box his ears off and get robbed. If he does a job on Alvarez like Rigo did on Donaire it will probably be a draw.
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Heart vs Brain for me or this guy > :bashtroll4cx4: I really want Trout to pull this off, and I think it will be the hardest style who comes in fresh and boxing mind Alvarez has faced. But I just cannot get past Alvarez killing his mobility as it goes with obvious body work and not respecting Trouts power down the stretch. At some point Trout will have to go flat footed and try to be too cute and have to stand in. Body body body, Can't get around it. Trout is a solid talent and earned his spot but Canelo, who i've been hard as Hell on, should kick in the door in what will be his big 'breakout' declaratrion for a unam dec. Hope to be wrong frankly :-X
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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Spicoli
Heart vs Brain for me or this guy > :bashtroll4cx4: I really want Trout to pull this off, and I think it will be the hardest style who comes in fresh and boxing mind Alvarez has faced. But I just cannot get past Alvarez killing his mobility as it goes with obvious body work and not respecting Trouts power down the stretch. At some point Trout will have to go flat footed and try to be too cute and have to stand in. Body body body, Can't get around it. Trout is a solid talent and earned his spot but Canelo, who i've been hard as Hell on, should kick in the door in what will be his big 'breakout' declaratrion for a unam dec. Hope to be wrong frankly :-X
The first straight left hand Alvarez feels from another fellow middleweight will change the dynamics of this fight. Has he even faced a southpaw? To me this is the coming out party for Trout more so then Cotto was. For Alvarez imo its more of a cut the umbilical cord fight. He's fighting the first prime 154 fighter in the top 5 after 40 fights.
Austin all day but a controversial decision which in some way favours Alvarez imo.
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Rooting for Trout (surprise :) ). And I think he beats the Canelo that showed up against Mosley.
We'll see what Canelo brings to the fight.
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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Kirkland Laing
You've got to take the fact that this fight is in Texas into consideration. If Donaire Rigondeaux had been in Texas then Donaire would have won a split decision.
If Alvarez spends the fight coming forward and throwing punches then even if he gets picked off and soundly outboxed all night long then he'll get the decision.
And that's what I think will happen. I'm not sold on Alvarez. He looks the business in fights but he's fighting welterweights and light welterweights. I think Trout is a massive step up for him and will have enough to win a UD, but then Alvarez will get it on the cards.
If Alvarez does walk through him then I'll have to take him seriously.
True, For Alvarez, San Antonio, Texas is like having the fight in Mexico, the Alamodome will be jammed full of Mex fans not wanting to see their boy lose.
I'm thinking Alvarez spanks Austin, but then I thought Cotto would too. Keep in mind that in over 50 years of predicting fights i've never been wrong 2 weeks in a row. :smilie_pinoc:
WAR CANELO!
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Spicoli
Heart vs Brain for me or this guy > :bashtroll4cx4: I really want Trout to pull this off, and I think it will be the hardest style who comes in fresh and boxing mind Alvarez has faced. But I just cannot get past Alvarez killing his mobility as it goes with obvious body work and not respecting Trouts power down the stretch. At some point Trout will have to go flat footed and try to be too cute and have to stand in. Body body body, Can't get around it. Trout is a solid talent and earned his spot but Canelo, who i've been hard as Hell on, should kick in the door in what will be his big 'breakout' declaratrion for a unam dec. Hope to be wrong frankly :-X
The first straight left hand Alvarez feels from another fellow middleweight will change the dynamics of this fight. Has he even faced a southpaw? To me this is the coming out party for Trout more so then Cotto was. For Alvarez imo its more of a cut the umbilical cord fight. He's fighting the first prime 154 fighter in the top 5 after 40 fights.
Austin all day but a controversial decision which in some way favours Alvarez imo.
Finally time for Canelo to put on his big-boy pants and face a fresh force on a upward career swing. I'm with that all around, I think the best jab Canelo has faced is Gomez?! But I know momentum and ability realized carries both ways. Trout had to change his plan vs Cotto and hang in and I think Canelo has him there also, and Trout has shown hes ok with trying to coast and hear the boos. Maybe he opens that cut Shane had going? Dude is a sharp hitter at angles. Just have a feeling. Alvarez will out physical him before its all said and done, Trout has never been hit in the gut like that and put money on Canelo being "unofficial" middle plus :-X.
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Spicoli
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IamInuit
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Spicoli
Heart vs Brain for me or this guy > :bashtroll4cx4: I really want Trout to pull this off, and I think it will be the hardest style who comes in fresh and boxing mind Alvarez has faced. But I just cannot get past Alvarez killing his mobility as it goes with obvious body work and not respecting Trouts power down the stretch. At some point Trout will have to go flat footed and try to be too cute and have to stand in. Body body body, Can't get around it. Trout is a solid talent and earned his spot but Canelo, who i've been hard as Hell on, should kick in the door in what will be his big 'breakout' declaratrion for a unam dec. Hope to be wrong frankly :-X
The first straight left hand Alvarez feels from another fellow middleweight will change the dynamics of this fight. Has he even faced a southpaw? To me this is the coming out party for Trout more so then Cotto was. For Alvarez imo its more of a cut the umbilical cord fight. He's fighting the first prime 154 fighter in the top 5 after 40 fights.
Austin all day but a controversial decision which in some way favours Alvarez imo.
Finally time for Canelo to put on his big-boy pants and face a fresh force on a upward career swing. I'm with that all around, I think the best jab Canelo has faced is Gomez?! But I know momentum and ability realized carries both ways. Trout had to change his plan vs Cotto and hang in and I think Canelo has him there also, and Trout has shown hes ok with trying to coast and hear the boos. Maybe he opens that cut Shane had going? Dude is a sharp hitter at angles. Just have a feeling. Alvarez will out physical him before its all said and done, Trout has never been hit in the gut like that and put money on Canelo being "unofficial" middle plus :-X.
;) We can debate where they should be. Both fight a division under and I'd wager the only thing stopping Alvarez from going to middle is the fact that most of them are super middleweights. Pleasantly surprised should Alvarez do as you suggest. I think Trout will put on a clinic and in some way get penalized for it. And will eat crow if I'm wrong. I think we both watch him win the fight.
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IamInuit
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Spicoli
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IamInuit
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Originally Posted by
Spicoli
Heart vs Brain for me or this guy > :bashtroll4cx4: I really want Trout to pull this off, and I think it will be the hardest style who comes in fresh and boxing mind Alvarez has faced. But I just cannot get past Alvarez killing his mobility as it goes with obvious body work and not respecting Trouts power down the stretch. At some point Trout will have to go flat footed and try to be too cute and have to stand in. Body body body, Can't get around it. Trout is a solid talent and earned his spot but Canelo, who i've been hard as Hell on, should kick in the door in what will be his big 'breakout' declaratrion for a unam dec. Hope to be wrong frankly :-X
The first straight left hand Alvarez feels from another fellow middleweight will change the dynamics of this fight. Has he even faced a southpaw? To me this is the coming out party for Trout more so then Cotto was. For Alvarez imo its more of a cut the umbilical cord fight. He's fighting the first prime 154 fighter in the top 5 after 40 fights.
Austin all day but a controversial decision which in some way favours Alvarez imo.
Finally time for Canelo to put on his big-boy pants and face a fresh force on a upward career swing. I'm with that all around, I think the best jab Canelo has faced is Gomez?! But I know momentum and ability realized carries both ways. Trout had to change his plan vs Cotto and hang in and I think Canelo has him there also, and Trout has shown hes ok with trying to coast and hear the boos. Maybe he opens that cut Shane had going? Dude is a sharp hitter at angles. Just have a feeling. Alvarez will out physical him before its all said and done, Trout has never been hit in the gut like that and put money on Canelo being "unofficial" middle plus :-X.
;) We can debate where they should be. Both fight a division under and I'd wager the only thing stopping Alvarez from going to middle is the fact that most of them are super middleweights. Pleasantly surprised should Alvarez do as you suggest. I think Trout will put on a clinic and in some way get penalized for it. And will eat crow if I'm wrong. I think we both watch him win the fight.
So playing devils advocate here, it's too easy to say Trout is going to put on a clinic and get robbed, leaves too much room for the definition of a clinic. What if its a close fight and Canelo gets the decision, would still be a robbery?
Unfortunately the kid is a victim of his own success, Trout is literally at his peak mentally and physically. Because Canelo has been built up so much we are putting him in a position where if he loses he will be called a fraud and thats not entirely fair for a 22 year old.
With all that being said I do think Canelo is mature enough to be able to pull out a hard fought victory. I think he is stronger and has faster hands than Trout inside which is where he is going want position himself.
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
Even after Cotto, I'm still not sold on Trout. Before that fight I didn't think he was that good and I can't make my mind up if it was a good Trout or a poor Cotto. I still say Canelo beats the crap outta him. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but I don't see him dealing with that kind of pressure.
You've all been asking who has Canelo fought that is on Trout's level. Who has Trout fought other than an old version of a blown up welter?
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bzkfn
Even after Cotto, I'm still not sold on Trout. Before that fight I didn't think he was that good and I can't make my mind up if it was a good Trout or a poor Cotto. I still say Canelo beats the crap outta him. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but I don't see him dealing with that kind of pressure.
You've all been asking who has Canelo fought that is on Trout's level. Who has Trout fought other than an old version of a blown up welter?
The Delvin Rodriguez that Trout faced is better than any win on Canelo's resume. Cotto is definitely better than any win on Canelo's resume. Canelo himself has never even faced a prime junior middleweight, good or bad. That's the knock on Canelo and it's a fair one.
In suggesting that Cotto was passed it in his fight with Trout, are you also diminishing Floyd's win over Cotto?
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
It would be impressive if Canelo went from having never faced a top ten junior middleweight to wiping the floor with the the top of the food chain at junior middleweight.
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bzkfn
Even after Cotto, I'm still not sold on Trout. Before that fight I didn't think he was that good and I can't make my mind up if it was a good Trout or a poor Cotto. I still say Canelo beats the crap outta him. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong but I don't see him dealing with that kind of pressure.
You've all been asking who has Canelo fought that is on Trout's level. Who has Trout fought other than an old version of a blown up welter?
The Delvin Rodriguez that Trout faced is better than any win on Canelo's resume. Cotto is definitely better than any win on Canelo's resume. Canelo himself has never even faced a prime junior middleweight, good or bad. That's the knock on Canelo and it's a fair one.
In suggesting that Cotto was passed it in his fight with Trout, are you also diminishing Floyd's win over Cotto?
I should point out I'm not saying Cotto is past it, I'm more speculating. Cotto was his usual self against Floyd but he didn't pressure Trout in the same way. I genuinely don't know if Cotto got old over night or if Trout is really that good. All I know is I watched a few Trout fights before the Cotto fight and I didn't see anything special there. If he beats Canelo I'll be impressed and also relieved as a big fan of Cotto.
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IamInuit
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Heart vs Brain for me or this guy > :bashtroll4cx4: I really want Trout to pull this off, and I think it will be the hardest style who comes in fresh and boxing mind Alvarez has faced. But I just cannot get past Alvarez killing his mobility as it goes with obvious body work and not respecting Trouts power down the stretch. At some point Trout will have to go flat footed and try to be too cute and have to stand in. Body body body, Can't get around it. Trout is a solid talent and earned his spot but Canelo, who i've been hard as Hell on, should kick in the door in what will be his big 'breakout' declaratrion for a unam dec. Hope to be wrong frankly :-X
The first straight left hand Alvarez feels from another fellow middleweight will change the dynamics of this fight. Has he even faced a southpaw? To me this is the coming out party for Trout more so then Cotto was. For Alvarez imo its more of a cut the umbilical cord fight. He's fighting the first prime 154 fighter in the top 5 after 40 fights.
Austin all day but a controversial decision which in some way favours Alvarez imo.
Finally time for Canelo to put on his big-boy pants and face a fresh force on a upward career swing. I'm with that all around, I think the best jab Canelo has faced is Gomez?! But I know momentum and ability realized carries both ways. Trout had to change his plan vs Cotto and hang in and I think Canelo has him there also, and Trout has shown hes ok with trying to coast and hear the boos. Maybe he opens that cut Shane had going? Dude is a sharp hitter at angles. Just have a feeling. Alvarez will out physical him before its all said and done, Trout has never been hit in the gut like that and put money on Canelo being "unofficial" middle plus :-X.
;) We can debate where they should be. Both fight a division under and I'd wager the only thing stopping Alvarez from going to middle is the fact that most of them are super middleweights. Pleasantly surprised should Alvarez do as you suggest. I think Trout will put on a clinic and in some way get penalized for it. And will eat crow if I'm wrong. I think we both watch him win the fight.
So playing devils advocate here, it's too easy to say Trout is going to put on a clinic and get robbed, leaves too much room for the definition of a clinic. What if its a close fight and Canelo gets the decision, would still be a robbery?
Unfortunately the kid is a victim of his own success, Trout is literally at his peak mentally and physically. Because Canelo has been built up so much we are putting him in a position where if he loses he will be called a fraud and thats not entirely fair for a 22 year old.
With all that being said I do think Canelo is mature enough to be able to pull out a hard fought victory. I think he is stronger and has faster hands than Trout inside which is where he is going want position himself.
That is a fair run down. I just think Trout will have more then a fight to win. It is ominous to me that at the last minute Alvarez demanded Floyd sign to fight him or he would bail from the card and move the fight to Texas. That just smells funny. Like deck stacking. In addition the fact is Mr Alvarez has not fought one prime Jr mid in over 40 fights and walks around calling himself world champion. I wont call Alvarez a fraud should he lose but there will be a little "I told you so";)
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You can try and say Alvarez hasn't fought anyone, but the version of Cotto, Trout fought, wasn't any better then the version of Mosley, Canelo fought. Point being, Trout's record and/or competition as a Jr. Middleweight isn't better then Canelo's.
Canelo is young, strong, and he ain't a shot version of Cotto. Trout is going to have his hands full keeping the fully energized Alvarez off of him.
I believe Alvarez wins a fair & square UD or takes Trout out in one of mid to late rounds.
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IamInuit
Has he even faced a southpaw?
The best boxer he's faced so far is Archie Solis. I like what Spicoli is saying about Alvarez and body work but he hit Matthew Hatton in the body all night and couldn't stop a welterweight. Hatton isn't exactly a mobile fighter.
I think Trout avoids taking punishment enough to make the final bell but because Alvarez will be coming forward most of the fight and will have success at times he'll get the decision.
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IamInuit
Has he even faced a southpaw?
The best boxer he's faced so far is Archie Solis. I like what Spicoli is saying about Alvarez and body work but he hit Matthew Hatton in the body all night and couldn't stop a welterweight. Hatton isn't exactly a mobile fighter.
I think Trout avoids taking punishment enough to make the final bell but because Alvarez will be coming forward most of the fight and will have success at times he'll get the decision.
Thats what I'm thinking but I can see Trout gutting it out late but taking damage. The last thing I want to do is boast about Canelo because I've already said alot of what's been pointed out about him...pampered, padded and spoon fed but strength and precise bodywork on a guy who -must- keep his legs and can fall into another guys fight counts for something. Alvarez jab too, it's a boom stick. When he gets it going can knock Trout off stride, get him stuck between styles big time. Again man I seriously want Trout to take it but it's just a feeling, one of those fights you can almost see.
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Mars_ax
You can try and say Alvarez hasn't fought anyone, but the version of Cotto, Trout fought, wasn't any better then the version of Mosley, Canelo fought. Point being, Trout's record and/or competition as a Jr. Middleweight isn't better then Canelo's.
Canelo is young, strong, and he ain't a shot version of Cotto. Trout is going to have his hands full keeping the fully energized Alvarez off of him.
I believe Alvarez wins a fair & square UD or takes Trout out in one of mid to late rounds.
Basically what I was trying to say. You probably made your point better though.
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Mars_ax
You can try and say Alvarez hasn't fought anyone, but the version of Cotto, Trout fought, wasn't any better then the version of Mosley, Canelo fought. Point being, Trout's record and/or competition as a Jr. Middleweight isn't better then Canelo's.
Canelo is young, strong, and he ain't a shot version of Cotto. Trout is going to have his hands full keeping the fully energized Alvarez off of him.
I believe Alvarez wins a fair & square UD or takes Trout out in one of mid to late rounds.
Shane has not let his hands go since he sliced up Margarito and has been a questionable 154 pound fighter since he won the second Oscar fight. Imo Trout beat a better version of Cotto then Alvarez did in Shane. And if Cotto is so used up why was Alvarez licking his chops hoping to meet Cotto following a win over Trout. Trout kinda derailed those plans.
In addition Alvarez has had 42 fights to Trouts 26 and since winning the youth welter title and moving up to 154 has not fought one legit 154 pounder let alone a prime one save Rhodes.
I have never said that this would be an easy fight but that Trout will most likely win and lose on the cards. This to me is one of these situations where although the coddling leads to an impressive record on paper it hurts you when a real test comes along. If I'm wrong then hats off to Alvarez.
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bzkfn
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Mars_ax
You can try and say Alvarez hasn't fought anyone, but the version of Cotto, Trout fought, wasn't any better then the version of Mosley, Canelo fought. Point being, Trout's record and/or competition as a Jr. Middleweight isn't better then Canelo's.
Canelo is young, strong, and he ain't a shot version of Cotto. Trout is going to have his hands full keeping the fully energized Alvarez off of him.
I believe Alvarez wins a fair & square UD or takes Trout out in one of mid to late rounds.
Basically what I was trying to say. You probably made your point better though.
I shouldn't have said Cotto was "shot", but he looked nothing like the Cotto of old when he fought Trout, more like damaged goods. I don't mean that as an insult to Miguel, he'd been through some fucking wars and his heart just wasn't in the Trout fight.
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bzkfn
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Mars_ax
You can try and say Alvarez hasn't fought anyone, but the version of Cotto, Trout fought, wasn't any better then the version of Mosley, Canelo fought. Point being, Trout's record and/or competition as a Jr. Middleweight isn't better then Canelo's.
Canelo is young, strong, and he ain't a shot version of Cotto. Trout is going to have his hands full keeping the fully energized Alvarez off of him.
I believe Alvarez wins a fair & square UD or takes Trout out in one of mid to late rounds.
Basically what I was trying to say. You probably made your point better though.
I shouldn't have said Cotto was "shot", but he looked nothing like the Cotto of old when he fought Trout, more like damaged goods. I don't mean that as an insult to Miguel, he'd been through some fucking wars and his heart just wasn't in the Trout fight.
I agree with your assessment, Mars. Although Cotto lost both fights, the Cotto that lost to Floyd was sharp and on his game. Floyd was just better. Against Trout, however, Cotto looked a little listless. I don't know whether it's age (and wear and tear) finally catching up to him, or what. Cotto's been in some wars... and those will take their toll on any man.
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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You can try and say Alvarez hasn't fought anyone, but the version of Cotto, Trout fought, wasn't any better then the version of Mosley, Canelo fought. Point being, Trout's record and/or competition as a Jr. Middleweight isn't better then Canelo's.
Canelo is young, strong, and he ain't a shot version of Cotto. Trout is going to have his hands full keeping the fully energized Alvarez off of him.
I believe Alvarez wins a fair & square UD or takes Trout out in one of mid to late rounds.
Shane has not let his hands go since he sliced up Margarito and has been a questionable 154 pound fighter since he won the second Oscar fight. Imo Trout beat a better version of Cotto then Alvarez did in Shane. And if Cotto is so used up why was Alvarez licking his chops hoping to meet Cotto following a win over Trout. Trout kinda derailed those plans.
In addition Alvarez has had 42 fights to Trouts 26 and since winning the youth welter title and moving up to 154 has not fought one legit 154 pounder let alone a prime one save Rhodes.
I have never said that this would be an easy fight but that Trout will most likely win and lose on the cards. This to me is one of theses situations were although the coddling leads to an impressive record on paper it hurts you when a real test comes along. If I'm wrong then hats off to Alvarez.
OK grasshopper, assuming that Cotto was better then Mosley, who the fuck has Trout fought that's a "legit" 154 pounder besides Cotto? Delvin Rodriquez? :lolhaha:
You make it sound like Trout is a consummate old pro who's fought better competition, and Canelo is some overrated mexican kid who's never fought anyone "legit". :confused:
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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You can try and say Alvarez hasn't fought anyone, but the version of Cotto, Trout fought, wasn't any better then the version of Mosley, Canelo fought. Point being, Trout's record and/or competition as a Jr. Middleweight isn't better then Canelo's.
Canelo is young, strong, and he ain't a shot version of Cotto. Trout is going to have his hands full keeping the fully energized Alvarez off of him.
I believe Alvarez wins a fair & square UD or takes Trout out in one of mid to late rounds.
Basically what I was trying to say. You probably made your point better though.
I shouldn't have said Cotto was "shot", but he looked nothing like the Cotto of old when he fought Trout, more like damaged goods. I don't mean that as an insult to Miguel, he'd been through some fucking wars and his heart just wasn't in the Trout fight.
I agree with your assessment, Mars. Although Cotto lost both fights, the Cotto that lost to Floyd was sharp and on his game. Floyd was just better. Against Trout, however, Cotto looked a little listless. I don't know whether it's age (and wear and tear) finally catching up to him, or what. Cotto's been in some wars... and those will take their toll on any man.
The Cotto who fought Floyd would have wiped the floor with Trout, like I said after losing to Floyd, Miguel's heart wasn't in the Trout fight, he looked to be going through the motions. If Trout looks convincing against Canelo, I may see things differently, but I see Alvarez handing him his first loss at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas. BTW, dumb move by Trout taking the fight there, his overconfidence will cost him dearly.
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
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You can try and say Alvarez hasn't fought anyone, but the version of Cotto, Trout fought, wasn't any better then the version of Mosley, Canelo fought. Point being, Trout's record and/or competition as a Jr. Middleweight isn't better then Canelo's.
Canelo is young, strong, and he ain't a shot version of Cotto. Trout is going to have his hands full keeping the fully energized Alvarez off of him.
I believe Alvarez wins a fair & square UD or takes Trout out in one of mid to late rounds.
Shane has not let his hands go since he sliced up Margarito and has been a questionable 154 pound fighter since he won the second Oscar fight. Imo Trout beat a better version of Cotto then Alvarez did in Shane. And if Cotto is so used up why was Alvarez licking his chops hoping to meet Cotto following a win over Trout. Trout kinda derailed those plans.
In addition Alvarez has had 42 fights to Trouts 26 and since winning the youth welter title and moving up to 154 has not fought one legit 154 pounder let alone a prime one save Rhodes.
I have never said that this would be an easy fight but that Trout will most likely win and lose on the cards. This to me is one of theses situations were although the coddling leads to an impressive record on paper it hurts you when a real test comes along. If I'm wrong then hats off to Alvarez.
OK grasshopper, assuming that Cotto was better then Mosley, who the fuck has Trout fought that's a "legit" 154 pounder besides Cotto? Delvin Rodriquez? :lolhaha:
You make it sound like Trout is a consummate old pro who's fought better competition, and Canelo is some overrated mexican kid who's never fought anyone "legit". :confused:
My spelling is atrocious at times especially at work but I digress. Trout has fought 26 jr mids, not 20 x lightweight, jr welter and over the hill 147 pounders. I also never said he was some consummate old pro. Trouts going to have his hands full. Alvarez has had 42 pro fights. Its about time he faced some adversity.
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
For some reason I cannot reply quote? Anyway, I do think the Cotto who fought Trout was far better then Mosley in with Canelo. Cotto was active and giving Floyd a decent fight while Mosley was fresh off needing to be literally talked off his stool vs Manny, mentioning quitting and a fugly draw with Sergio 'less not' Mora. I honestly had the feeling Shane was just doing the promotion a solid vs Canelo and renting out his scalp. Once the bell rings its no longer a guys choice to not do whatever he needs to do, be it subtle or outright, the other fighter is making you. Cotto wasn't what he was at top but Trout grabbed the moment and made Cotto wear his years.
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You can try and say Alvarez hasn't fought anyone, but the version of Cotto, Trout fought, wasn't any better then the version of Mosley, Canelo fought. Point being, Trout's record and/or competition as a Jr. Middleweight isn't better then Canelo's.
Canelo is young, strong, and he ain't a shot version of Cotto. Trout is going to have his hands full keeping the fully energized Alvarez off of him.
I believe Alvarez wins a fair & square UD or takes Trout out in one of mid to late rounds.
Basically what I was trying to say. You probably made your point better though.
I shouldn't have said Cotto was "shot", but he looked nothing like the Cotto of old when he fought Trout, more like damaged goods. I don't mean that as an insult to Miguel, he'd been through some fucking wars and his heart just wasn't in the Trout fight.
I agree with your assessment, Mars. Although Cotto lost both fights, the Cotto that lost to Floyd was sharp and on his game. Floyd was just better. Against Trout, however, Cotto looked a little listless. I don't know whether it's age (and wear and tear) finally catching up to him, or what. Cotto's been in some wars... and those will take their toll on any man.
The Cotto who fought Floyd would have wiped the floor with Trout, like I said after losing to Floyd, Miguel's heart wasn't in the Trout fight, he looked to be going through the motions. If Trout looks convincing against Canelo, I may see things differently, but I see Alvarez handing him his first loss at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas. BTW, dumb move by Trout taking the fight there, his overconfidence will cost him dearly.
Trout is from Las Cruces, New Mexico so he's not too far from home. Canelo is the draw and the money man so Trout has to fight him wherever they say basically as long as its not Mexico.
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Re: Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Austin Trout - Saturday night fight/chat thread
A lot of knowledgeable boxing guys are taking Trout in this one with the consensus being his style is horrible for Alvarez. I also read today that Trout met with Sualimon and he was told it would be scored fairly. Stranger things have happened.
Yesterday I met @NoDoubtTrout and had a talk, he is such a nice man. I promised him neutrality in ring official's decisions if the bout goes
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I agree with your assessment, Mars. Although Cotto lost both fights, the Cotto that lost to Floyd was sharp and on his game. Floyd was just better. Against Trout, however, Cotto looked a little listless. I don't know whether it's age (and wear and tear) finally catching up to him, or what. Cotto's been in some wars... and those will take their toll on any man.[/QUOTE
The Cotto who fought Floyd would have wiped the floor with Trout, like I said after losing to Floyd, Miguel's heart wasn't in the Trout fight, he looked to be going through the motions. If Trout looks convincing against Canelo, I may see things differently, but I see Alvarez handing him his first loss at the Alamodome in San Antonio, Texas. BTW, dumb move by Trout taking the fight there, his overconfidence will cost him dearly.
Trout is from Las Cruces, New Mexico so he's not too far from home. Canelo is the draw and the money man so Trout has to fight him wherever they say basically as long as its not Mexico.
Fair enough @Hulk, but how many fans do you think Austin will have at the Alamodome? :rolleyes:
Really though, although it will help, I don't believe Alvarez will need the home-field advantage, he's going to put a whoopin' on Austin regardless.