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Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
Many years ago… & I mean many many years ago…this fight would have most boxing fans soiling themselves, but today & in the upcoming weeks to the bout…the majority of us are still scratching our fwockin heads.
What am I talking about?
I’m talking about boxings’ first star studded offer of the New Year : the January 19th, 2008 “superfight” featuring Roy Jones jr & Tito Trinidad as they battle it out for…errrrrmmmm…well…I suppose the right to say…I beat the man…that was a beaten man.
Honestly…I really don’t care for this match up…period…whether it be now or then. It’s just not that much of a nail biter for me. There’s no drama in it & there’s really not much competition to be brought, in Wacko’s humble opinion.
That being said…I’ll be watching…& covering it from the couch for another installment of Wacko’s Round by Round…Jones jr vs. Trinidad.
With both men near either of their primes, this could be a bit more competitive than it had a chance of being nearly a decade or so ago. Roy’s nowhere near his former “athletically superior” self & Trinidad hasn’t fought in two years…he’s also never beaten a boxer with a defense or ability to work a game plan.
It’s easy to categorize both men as stars…or previous one’s & their surely veterans…coming in at age 39 for Jones and 35 years of age for Trinidad. The thing is…the years have not been that kind to them as they have both been humiliated in the late stages of their careers. While there are many factors to be discussed…probably too many to list in this synopsis…I’d honestly rather us all drum ‘em up in this thread than me list them here on the front page.
Well…a Happy New Year to all on board…& let’s get set for another great year in boxing. As usual…I’ll be covering the bout from the couch…round by round…so do what you do best…look, listen, & let’s all learn from another set of combatants.
Break out the chips & salsa, pour up your poison of choice me bwoyo’s…it’s fight night come January the 19th, 2007.
That's all there is...talk amongst yee-selves!
Cheers bitches…& koneecheewah.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
I voted Jones by TKO or KO...here's why.
While I didn’t want to put them on the title page…here’s what I think is going to factor in to the Jones Trinidad bout.
Out of all the variables that will decide the outcome…these are the ones that I believe will lead to a Jones win.
First off…Factor #1: Weight. Both hitters will battle at an agreed catch weight of 170lbs. This could factor in to a loss to either…but I doubt that it favors Tito more than Jones as far as a win goes. I think that the extra weight added to Tito…it’ll hurt him more than the small amount of weight that Jones will have to drop.
Another thing to factor in on top of the weight…
Factor #2 : Layoff. Both men have been out for a bit…but Tito has been out for two years…to add to that…he’s had his ass handed to him in a most humiliating way just prior to that layoff. Granted that Jones has a few losses now…two of which have been devastating ones…they still don’t factor in that much for me as far as the layoff & Factor #3 do. Jones has gone 2 in 0 in his last two fights beating the highly regarded Prince Badi Ajamu & the undefeated prospect Tony Hanshaw. Against Badi Jones showed that he could still take a shot & was able to work through some adversity. Against Hanshaw Jones showed that he still has his much hyped speed & reflexes…both of which he’ll need to stifle Trinidad.
Factor #3 : Skills & abilities. Hands down…this is what’s going to put Tito on his ass. Jones is lightning fast…even as he winds down his “super star” career & he’s still got his pop. Trinidad? Not so much. It’s not the power that I think will be gone for Trinidad when he climbs through the ropes. It’s not that at all…more or less…it’s the fact that Jones is a very accurate & technical boxer & Trinidad is proven to be a fall guy for that type of combatant.
While I am sure that the list can go on & on…that’s about as far as I think it’ll go…& as far as I think that it’ll go?
6 rounds…8 max. Jones by TKO.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
Nice Breakdown Wacko,did you see Roy rubbing his hands together and smiling ear to ear last night on FNF's?Get your cotton candy and stale beer ready...here comes the Circus.
To be honest on this one,I could give two shits about this fight at this point .IMO one should have stayed retired and the other should head to retirement asap.Jones has been feinding for this one prior to Tito vs.Hopkins Fight.
Even at this point I think Jones has way to much left for Trinidad.Sad thing after he pee-lay's Trinidad we'll have to endure ALL of the "Hes back Blah,blah" stuff.
Not to sound like a fem. but good to see ya Wacko,thought you went out and joined the Peace Corps or something.RBR's are a major highlight.Jones tko midway........Possible in between rounds TKO.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
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Nice Breakdown Wacko,did you see Roy rubbing his hands together and smiling ear to ear last night on FNF's?Get your cotton candy and stale beer ready...here comes the Circus.
Thanks babe. I agree pretty much totally agree here...the circus is indeed on the way.
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To be honest on this one,I could give two shits about this fight at this point .IMO one should have stayed retired and the other should head to retirement asap.Jones has been feinding for this one prior to Tito vs.Hopkins Fight.
Agreed...I couldn't give a shat about thisun either. Tito shouldv'e stayed retired...IWHO...he's borderline jokish now.
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Even at this point I think Jones has way to much left for Trinidad.Sad thing after he pee-lay's Trinidad we'll have to endure ALL of the "Hes back Blah,blah" stuff.
Jones indeedee-do have enough left in the tank to outwork Teet-ho!
I honestly believe that Jones is back...I think he has been ever since he got through Tarver...even though it was disappointing & ugly...he needed to atleast walk out on his feet & beating Badji-boo & Hanshaw probably did a lot more for him than those humbling losses to Tarver & Johnson.
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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs In 'Nawlins
Not to sound like a fem. but good to see ya Wacko,thought you went out and joined the Peace Corps or something.RBR's are a major highlight.Jones tko midway........Possible in between rounds TKO.
Nah babe...just a lot of shat going on 'round the house. I've got a sick granny that dominates a chunk of me time...& then a 3 year old daughter that owns the rest of it. Family life dictates. ;D
Anywho...thanks for the love & concern. :coolclick:
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
Cool Wacko, Trials & Tribulations do demand our attention.Family the most important!Absolutely. CC back at ya in 24. For some reason "an error has occurred"?? Karma dictates although I have not CC'd ya yet.You can only do one A Day.WTF. Later days.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
I voted RJJ by tko, too...for the obvious reasons that wacko stated above...
But Tito might get lucky with a left hook...we will see...
BTW on the same day Chagaev will defend his title...so I'm looking forward to january... 8)
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
I voted RJJ by tko, too...for the obvious reasons that wacko stated above...
But Tito might get lucky with a left hook...we will see...
BTW on the same day Chagaev will defend his title...so I'm looking forward to january... 8)
:coolclick: Johnny.
There's always a possibility of a lucky hook here there or the other...but I aint so sure that Trinidad will get to be so set on his feet as necessary to handle someone like Jones. He was shit out of luck against Hopkins & honestly...I hate to even bring up the Wright fight...basically just out of respect for the Tito fans...you know what...no I don't!
He was laughable against Wright. Trinidad was beaten with the same three shots all night long with repetition. A right jab & a few lefts thrown in for good times sake...if I aint mistaken.
Jones has got a lot more in his arsenal than that. Tito's fans get lined up all night & press the issue that his power is going to be the great equalizer...it won't be.
He's in for a really long night, IWHO.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
I voted RJJ by tko, too...for the obvious reasons that wacko stated above...
But Tito might get lucky with a left hook...we will see...
BTW on the same day Chagaev will defend his title...so I'm looking forward to january... 8)
:coolclick: Johnny.
There's always a possibility of a lucky hook here there or the other...but I aint so sure that Trinidad will get to be so set on his feet as necessary to handle someone like Jones. He was S*** out of luck against Hopkins & honestly...I hate to even bring up the Wright fight...basically just out of respect for the Tito fans...you know what...no I don't!
He was laughable against Wright. Trinidad was beaten with the same three shots all night long with repetition. A right jab & a few lefts thrown in for good times sake...if I aint mistaken.
Jones has got a lot more in his arsenal than that. Tito's fans get lined up all night & press the issue that his power is going to be the great equalizer...it won't be.
He's in for a really long night, IWHO.
CC back wackman... ;D
I don't doubt that RJJ will win this as long as he doesn't fight the way he did against Tarver in their third fight...
Trinidad not only might get lucky,but he needs to get lucky to win...
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by JohnnyKickAss
I voted RJJ by tko, too...for the obvious reasons that wacko stated above...
But Tito might get lucky with a left hook...we will see...
BTW on the same day Chagaev will defend his title...so I'm looking forward to january... 8)
:coolclick: Johnny.
There's always a possibility of a lucky hook here there or the other...but I aint so sure that Trinidad will get to be so set on his feet as necessary to handle someone like Jones. He was S*** out of luck against Hopkins & honestly...I hate to even bring up the Wright fight...basically just out of respect for the Tito fans...you know what...no I don't!
He was laughable against Wright. Trinidad was beaten with the same three shots all night long with repetition. A right jab & a few lefts thrown in for good times sake...if I aint mistaken.
Jones has got a lot more in his arsenal than that. Tito's fans get lined up all night & press the issue that his power is going to be the great equalizer...it won't be.
He's in for a really long night, IWHO.
CC back wackman... ;D
I don't doubt that RJJ will win this as long as he doesn't fight the way he did against Tarver in their third fight...
Trinidad not only might get lucky,but he
needs to get lucky to win...
He won't. Atleast I don't think so. I don't think that he'll have to work as much as he did against Prince Badji-Boo! I honestly believe that this will be Jones's easiest bout.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
Jones on points. In a less than exciting fight. But I'll still be watching
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
Roy hasn't knocked anyone out in 5 and a half years. As washed up as Trinidad is and as out of depth he is as far as weight, he does have a pretty decent chin. Roy will most likely win a decision.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
And a big welcome back to the Wacko boxing wagon....
One thing that does seem to be thrown up there as a possible prize for RJJ is a potential moneyspinner with Joe Calzaghe, although Hopkins remains the favourite for that one.
As for this fight, I've no doubts it'll be fairly entertaining, after all they both have points to prove, but I think his activity more recently will see RJJ much sharper, and will probably put Tito away. Hopefully, however, I don't think that this will be a total mismatch, as they are both legends and will both lean on the skills learnt over the years, rather than the speed and power of youth.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
As for this fight, I've no doubts it'll be fairly entertaining, after all they both have points to prove, but I think his activity more recently will see RJJ much sharper, and will probably put Tito away. Hopefully, however, I don't think that this will be a total mismatch, as they are both legends and will both lean on the skills learnt over the years, rather than the speed and power of youth.
I'll agree that this one will be entertaining...but only for the duration...which I can't see going the stretch.
I think that it'll actually be a mismatch.
Trinidad has terrible luck in with slickstes & speedsters. Jones should & could eat him apart. It'd say alot for Jones to stop him in 6-8 rounds...& I truly believe that he will.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
:coolclick: s to all aboard the thread.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
1st and fore most CC#3358 to me bwoy! Wacko...
I can't believe I fucken voted. :(
Anywho I went with RJJ via UD. I think this will be snoozer IMO and he who orders it on PPV should be slapped. ;D
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
I can't wait to see what kind of numbers this does and who is going to buy it!! I think Jones wins on points BUT,if he lays on the ropes as he has shown a tendency to do in his recent fights and Tito lands something big,then Jones will look to survive(embaressingly) like he did v Tarver.
I'm not excited by this fight even though it's 2 legends AND 2 of my favourite fighters of all time.I just don't see the winner gaining much and the loser will claim an off night and go back to their more natural weight I guess. I'm not a fan of these fights at catch weights.There's enough weight classes as ther eis and it gives fighters too many excuses.
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Originally Posted by CutMeMick
1st and fore most CC#3358 to me bwoy! Wacko...
I can't believe I fucken voted. :(
Anywho I went with RJJ via UD. I think this will be snoozer IMO and he who orders it on PPV should be slapped. ;D
Anywho I went with RJJ via UD. I think this will be snoozer IMO and he who orders it on PPV should be slapped. ;D
I think your find boxing fans who don't know a lot about the sport, will probably buy this because they will probably think. This is a huge fight with 2 big names most armchair fans when watching fights don't really know any real history on a boxer.
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
Many years ago… & I mean many many years ago…this fight would have most boxing fans soiling themselves, but today & in the upcoming weeks to the bout…the majority of us are still scratching our fwockin heads.
What am I talking about?
I’m talking about boxings’ first star studded offer of the New Year : the January 19th, 2008 “superfight” featuring Roy Jones jr & Tito Trinidad as they battle it out for…errrrrmmmm…well…I suppose the right to say…I beat the man…that was a beaten man.
Honestly…I really don’t care for this match up…period…whether it be now or then. It’s just not that much of a nail biter for me. There’s no drama in it & there’s really not much competition to be brought, in Wacko’s humble opinion.
That being said…I’ll be watching…& covering it from the couch for another installment of Wacko’s Round by Round…Jones jr vs. Trinidad.
With both men near either of their primes, this could be a bit more competitive than it had a chance of being nearly a decade or so ago. Roy’s nowhere near his former “athletically superior” self & Trinidad hasn’t fought in two years…he’s also never beaten a boxer with a defense or ability to work a game plan.
It’s easy to categorize both men as stars…or previous one’s & their surely veterans…coming in at age 39 for Jones and 35 years of age for Trinidad. The thing is…the years have not been that kind to them as they have both been humiliated in the late stages of their careers. While there are many factors to be discussed…probably too many to list in this synopsis…I’d honestly rather us all drum ‘em up in this thread than me list them here on the front page.
Well…a Happy New Year to all on board…& let’s get set for another great year in boxing. As usual…I’ll be covering the bout from the couch…round by round…so do what you do best…look, listen, & let’s all learn from another set of combatants.
Break out the chips & salsa, pour up your poison of choice me bwoyo’s…it’s fight night come January the 19th, 2007.
That's all there is...talk amongst yee-selves!
Cheers bitches…& koneecheewah.
Many years ago… & I mean many many years ago…this fight would have most boxing fans soiling themselves, but today & in the upcoming weeks to the bout…the majority of us are still scratching our fwockin heads.
I remember this fight was supposed to happen if Trinidad beat Hopkins, sadly it didn't turn out that way :(
Honestly…I really don’t care for this match up…period…whether it be now or then. It’s just not that much of a nail biter for me. There’s no drama in it & there’s really not much competition to be brought, in Wacko’s humble opinion.
You wouldn't of been interested in this fight when both men were at the top of there game ?? quite surprised at that Wacko, and as for no drama well when we was watching Jones in his prime. Before the fight started we knew it would have no drama because we knew Jones would give his opponent a one sided beating.
Tito does have power and Jones chin has looked shaky to say the least, so just think about that before the fight starts that might add some drama for you ;)
he’s also never beaten a boxer with a defense or ability to work a game plan.
Pernell Whitaker, Oscar De La Hoya.
I agree Tito is a bit 1 dimensional and he can't switch to a plan B. Thats why he was getting caught with the same basic combo from Wright all night, but Tito has beaten some good boxers, who went in there with a Plan A, Plan B.
First off…Factor #1: Weight. Both hitters will battle at an agreed catch weight of 170lbs. This could factor in to a loss to either…but I doubt that it favors Tito more than Jones as far as a win goes. I think that the extra weight added to Tito…it’ll hurt him more than the small amount of weight that Jones will have to drop.
Totally agree i would love to see how Tito does perform at Light Heavyweight, and see if his power is still there at Light Heavyweight, he showed power at Middleweight against decent opponent's like Mayorga, Joppy, but against the elite fighters like Wright, Hopkins, his power was not even a factor in the fight.
But Jones even though he is one of my favorite fighters has been sparked out against fighters. Who are not known as hard hitters so who knows ??
it’s the fact that Jones is a very accurate & technical boxer & Trinidad is proven to be a fall guy for that type of combatant.
I wouldn't call Roy Jones Jr a technical boxer, more like an unorthodox, athletically gifted boxer. Because nothing Jones does is boxing basics its all unorthodox.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
You wouldn't of been interested in this fight when both men were at the top of there game ?? quite surprised at that Wacko, and as for no drama well when we was watching Jones in his prime. Before the fight started we knew it would have no drama because we knew Jones would give his opponent a one sided beating.
he’s also never beaten a boxer with a defense or ability to work a game plan.
Pernell Whitaker, Oscar De La Hoya.
Didn't beat Oscar...no matter how many different ways it get's argued by how many different people. Oscar beat himself by allowing that one to slip out of his fingers. Pernell. I hate it when people bring that one up because Pernell was not even a shade of himself when Tito handled that bout. Again...there’s no drama in it for me & I still don't see any viable competition in the match up whether it was then or now...then...but again...this is nothing more than Wacko’s humble opinion.
I don't think Tito's that effective as a middleweight...even though he did handle Joppy...who I rated back in his days. If he wasn't effective at middle...I just can't imagine him being anymore effective at light heavy...or whatever we'll be calling his catch weight.
The thing is though...if he wins...then I'll applaude him for it.
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
I agree Tito is a bit 1 dimensional and he can't switch to a plan B. Thats why he was getting caught with the same basic combo from Wright all night, but Tito has beaten some good boxers, who went in there with a Plan A, Plan B.
Tito's just not that intelligent of a boxer. He's a fighter...plain & simple. He doesn't really box all that well unless he has established the upper hand. If he's boxed into a corner...you can see the deer actually start batting it's eyelids in front of the headlights...just prior to getting struck.
I blame a lot of this on his father. I think that he's a terrible fit as a trainer & that, far to often, he's let his son drive down many a one way street into a semi or cement truck...head on, so to speak.
He never tells him the truth & it often hurts Tito.
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
First off…Factor #1: Weight. Both hitters will battle at an agreed catch weight of 170lbs. This could factor in to a loss to either…but I doubt that it favors Tito more than Jones as far as a win goes. I think that the extra weight added to Tito…it’ll hurt him more than the small amount of weight that Jones will have to drop.
Totally agree i would love to see how Tito does perform at Light Heavyweight, and see if his power is still there at Light Heavyweight, he showed power at Middleweight against decent opponent's like Mayorga, Joppy, but against the elite fighters like Wright, Hopkins, his power was not even a factor in the fight.
Mayorga is a joke. Always has been & always will be. When he has an opportunity to shine...he blows it with stupidity. I hate that.
Joppy is the exception to the rule when Tito is concerned. Joppy was a pretty sturdy combatant back in his time & Tito just owned him. Very impressive win.
Wright, Hopkins, & Oscar all made Trinidad look silly & totally confused...I look for Roy to do the very same.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by El Gamo
I can't wait to see what kind of numbers this does and who is going to buy it!! I think Jones wins on points BUT,if he lays on the ropes as he has shown a tendency to do in his recent fights and Tito lands something big,then Jones will look to survive(embaressingly) like he did v Tarver.
I'm not excited by this fight even though it's 2 legends AND 2 of my favourite fighters of all time.I just don't see the winner gaining much and the loser will claim an off night and go back to their more natural weight I guess. I'm not a fan of these fights at catch weights.There's enough weight classes as ther eis and it gives fighters too many excuses.
In all actuality...although I don't really believe in this fight...or the hype...or the lack of...it's possible that it could be a shot in the arm if it get's marketed correctly...which I don't believe that it has.
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
I think your find boxing fans who don't know a lot about the sport, will probably buy this because they will probably think. This is a huge fight with 2 big names most armchair fans when watching fights don't really know any real history on a boxer.
As I said above & as El Gamo so gleefully brought to the fore-front...if this fight were to reach it's intended crowd...some of the former fight fans...those that have been jilted from the game...it could possibly make some dollars & to them some sense.
If a boatload of those previoius fans could be reached...then this fight could generate some cash & reverance fairly quickly. Armchair fans or not...both fans still drag in enough love from their devotees to make this a compelling match up...I just aint one of 'em.
I'll chalk meself up as "One of those armchair idiots that'll buy almost anything that either revolves or devolves around boxing" & have no shame in that at all. ;D
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by wacko3205
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
You wouldn't of been interested in this fight when both men were at the top of there game ?? quite surprised at that Wacko, and as for no drama well when we was watching Jones in his prime. Before the fight started we knew it would have no drama because we knew Jones would give his opponent a one sided beating.
he’s also never beaten a boxer with a defense or ability to work a game plan.
Pernell Whitaker, Oscar De La Hoya.
Didn't beat Oscar...no matter how many different ways it get's argued by how many different people. Oscar beat himself by allowing that one to slip out of his fingers. Pernell. I hate it when people bring that one up because Pernell was not even a shade of himself when Tito handled that bout. Again...there’s no drama in it for me & I still don't see any viable competition in the match up whether it was then or now...then...but again...this is nothing more than Wacko’s humble opinion.
I don't think Tito's that effective as a middleweight...even though he did handle Joppy...who I rated back in his days. If he wasn't effective at middle...I just can't imagine him being anymore effective at light heavy...or whatever we'll be calling his catch weight.
The thing is though...if he wins...then I'll applaude him for it.
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
I agree Tito is a bit 1 dimensional and he can't switch to a plan B. Thats why he was getting caught with the same basic combo from Wright all night, but Tito has beaten some good boxers, who went in there with a Plan A, Plan B.
Tito's just not that intelligent of a boxer. He's a fighter...plain & simple. He doesn't really box all that well unless he has established the upper hand. If he's boxed into a corner...you can see the deer actually start batting it's eyelids in front of the headlights...just prior to getting struck.
I blame a lot of this on his father. I think that he's a terrible fit as a trainer & that, far to often, he's let his son drive down many a one way street into a semi or cement truck...head on, so to speak.
He never tells him the truth & it often hurts Tito.
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Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing
First off…Factor #1: Weight. Both hitters will battle at an agreed catch weight of 170lbs. This could factor in to a loss to either…but I doubt that it favors Tito more than Jones as far as a win goes. I think that the extra weight added to Tito…it’ll hurt him more than the small amount of weight that Jones will have to drop.
Totally agree i would love to see how Tito does perform at Light Heavyweight, and see if his power is still there at Light Heavyweight, he showed power at Middleweight against decent opponent's like Mayorga, Joppy, but against the elite fighters like Wright, Hopkins, his power was not even a factor in the fight.
Mayorga is a joke. Always has been & always will be. When he has an opportunity to shine...he blows it with stupidity. I hate that.
Joppy is the exception to the rule when Tito is concerned. Joppy was a pretty sturdy combatant back in his time & Tito just owned him. Very impressive win.
Wright, Hopkins, & Oscar all made Trinidad look silly & totally confused...I look for Roy to do the very same.
Didn't beat Oscar...no matter how many different ways it get's argued by how many different people.
Of course he beat him who else beat him ?? the ref ?? Tito made Oscar run all night, Oscar knew the danger and Tito forced him to run all night along eventually Oscar got tired from all the running, and Tito took advantage and won the later rounds, if Oscar would of stood toe to toe he would of got KO, he knew it so did everyone else thats why he had to use his legs and keep on the move, your not giving Tito enough credit for that win.
Pernell. I hate it when people bring that one up because Pernell was not even a shade of himself when Tito handled that bout.
I know Pernell wasn't in his prime, but he was still good respected name at the time. Tito is the only boxer who has beaten Whitaker without controversy. Yes Whitaker wasn't in his prime but Tito still deserves credit for the win.
I don't think Tito's that effective as a middleweight...even though he did handle Joppy...who I rated back in his days. If he wasn't effective at middle...I just can't imagine him being anymore effective at light heavy...or whatever we'll be calling his catch weight.
I think it was more to do with Tito not being able to fight his fight, and not being able to use his power against Wright, Hopkins. Because of how well they boxed with there great technical skills. Jones is nowhere near as good technically, even though im a big Jones fan lets get real he basically used athletic ability. But now that has gone there is always a chance Tito could catch him.
Tito's just not that intelligent of a boxer. He's a fighter...plain & simple. He doesn't really box all that well unless he has established the upper hand. If he's boxed into a corner...you can see the deer actually start batting it's eyelids in front of the headlights...just prior to getting struck.
I disagree with that slightly, Tito has comeback when he has been behind like in Oscar, Reid, fights. But i do agree with your other comments, Tito has no Plan B he can't adjust and thats why he got dominated against Wright, Hopkins.
I blame a lot of this on his father. I think that he's a terrible fit as a trainer & that, far to often, he's let his son drive down many a one way street into a semi or cement truck...head on, so to speak.
Agreed didn't he say that Tito was winning the Hopkins fight :-\
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
I think Jones has has more advantages in this fight, mostly his sucess at the higher weights and his recent activity. I dont think he gets enough credit for his last two wins, because people expect to see the old Roy Jones. That Roy is long gone, but he has reinvented himself into a fighter who knows how to win with what tools he still has. He has made some adjustments, and we have yet to see if Tito has. My only concern for Jones is fighting at 170, but like I said it is just as big a conern for Tito. I see Jones winning this one by decision but a late stoppage wouldnt surprise me either. I do give Tito a chance and I think hell have some sucess early but will probably take over around the fifth round on.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
I pick Jones by decision. He was still battle weary in his last fight and when he had Hanshaw down and hurt, he never went after him.
Jones actually looked like a solid fighter in that fight overall. He showed to be a very talented Lt Heavyweight, but still only about 60% of his former self. His cockiness and arrogance are gone, and they actually made him a better fighter, but the lack of those attibutes will serve him better now. His old speed he showed flashes of and I was somewhat surprised he still had some good reflexes.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
I was looking at the undercard and it is pretty poor and how can this be PPV for you guys in the states it's a total joke, there's not one world title bout on this card and they expect you guys to pay like 50 dollars or something, the robbing bastards.... you may as well just listen to the RBR.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]
Didn't beat Oscar...no matter how many different ways it get's argued by how many different people.
Of course he beat him who else beat him ?? the ref ?? Tito made Oscar run all night, Oscar knew the danger and Tito forced him to run all night along eventually Oscar got tired from all the running, and Tito took advantage and won the later rounds, if Oscar would of stood toe to toe he would of got KO, he knew it so did everyone else thats why he had to use his legs and keep on the move, your not giving Tito enough credit for that win.[/quote]
So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?
I have watched that bout (much to my sickness) over & over again, I have read the articles supporting & opposing the decision, seen that HBO Legendary Nights bit also & nothing sways me from my position. Oscar handily out boxed Trinidad up until about the 8th round. Yes he took the last few rounds off…but had already boxed comfortably to a position of dominance. Oscar’s stamina was never a question back then…but the amount of punches he threw against Trinidad & the amount of movement he used to stay out of reach of Tito’s shots definitely wore him out.
I don’t credit Tito with that win because I don’t think that he deserved it.
I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?
I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]Pernell. I hate it when people bring that one up because Pernell was not even a shade of himself when Tito handled that bout.
I know Pernell wasn't in his prime, but he was still good respected name at the time. Tito is the only boxer who has beaten Whitaker without controversy. Yes Whitaker wasn't in his prime but Tito still deserves credit for the win.[/quote]
Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.
A win over a champion is a win…but it’s hard to fully respect it unless in his prime…but that’s just my thoughts. He still get’s the W on his script & that’s that I reckon.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]I don't think Tito's that effective as a middleweight...even though he did handle Joppy...who I rated back in his days. If he wasn't effective at middle...I just can't imagine him being anymore effective at light heavy...or whatever we'll be calling his catch weight.
I think it was more to do with Tito not being able to fight his fight, and not being able to use his power against Wright, Hopkins. Because of how well they boxed with there great technical skills. Jones is nowhere near as good technically, even though im a big Jones fan lets get real he basically used athletic ability. But now that has gone there is always a chance Tito could catch him.[/quote]
I disagree here.
Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.
Sure there’s a chance that Tito could catch him…but I don’t believe Jones is that stupid anymore.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]Tito's just not that intelligent of a boxer. He's a fighter...plain & simple. He doesn't really box all that well unless he has established the upper hand. If he's boxed into a corner...you can see the deer actually start batting it's eyelids in front of the headlights...just prior to getting struck.
I disagree with that slightly, Tito has comeback when he has been behind like in Oscar, Reid, fights. But i do agree with your other comments, Tito has no Plan B he can't adjust and thats why he got dominated against Wright, Hopkins.[/quote]
Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission. Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.
On Jones’ worst day…he’s thrice the man Reid is.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]I blame a lot of this on his father. I think that he's a terrible fit as a trainer & that, far to often, he's let his son drive down many a one way street into a semi or cement truck...head on, so to speak.
Agreed didn't he say that Tito was winning the Hopkins fight :-\
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Yes he did. He’s always kept Tito in left field when it comes to what’s really what out on the mat.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]
Didn't beat Oscar...no matter how many different ways it get's argued by how many different people.
Of course he beat him who else beat him ?? the ref ?? Tito made Oscar run all night, Oscar knew the danger and Tito forced him to run all night along eventually Oscar got tired from all the running, and Tito took advantage and won the later rounds, if Oscar would of stood toe to toe he would of got KO, he knew it so did everyone else thats why he had to use his legs and keep on the move, your not giving Tito enough credit for that win.
So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?
I have watched that bout (much to my sickness) over & over again, I have read the articles supporting & opposing the decision, seen that HBO Legendary Nights bit also & nothing sways me from my position. Oscar handily out boxed Trinidad up until about the 8th round. Yes he took the last few rounds off…but had already boxed comfortably to a position of dominance. Oscar’s stamina was never a question back then…but the amount of punches he threw against Trinidad & the amount of movement he used to stay out of reach of Tito’s shots definitely wore him out.
I don’t credit Tito with that win because I don’t think that he deserved it.
I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?
I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]Pernell. I hate it when people bring that one up because Pernell was not even a shade of himself when Tito handled that bout.
I know Pernell wasn't in his prime, but he was still good respected name at the time. Tito is the only boxer who has beaten Whitaker without controversy. Yes Whitaker wasn't in his prime but Tito still deserves credit for the win.[/quote]
Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.
A win over a champion is a win…but it’s hard to fully respect it unless in his prime…but that’s just my thoughts. He still get’s the W on his script & that’s that I reckon.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]I don't think Tito's that effective as a middleweight...even though he did handle Joppy...who I rated back in his days. If he wasn't effective at middle...I just can't imagine him being anymore effective at light heavy...or whatever we'll be calling his catch weight.
I think it was more to do with Tito not being able to fight his fight, and not being able to use his power against Wright, Hopkins. Because of how well they boxed with there great technical skills. Jones is nowhere near as good technically, even though im a big Jones fan lets get real he basically used athletic ability. But now that has gone there is always a chance Tito could catch him.[/quote]
I disagree here.
Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.
Sure there’s a chance that Tito could catch him…but I don’t believe Jones is that stupid anymore.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]Tito's just not that intelligent of a boxer. He's a fighter...plain & simple. He doesn't really box all that well unless he has established the upper hand. If he's boxed into a corner...you can see the deer actually start batting it's eyelids in front of the headlights...just prior to getting struck.
I disagree with that slightly, Tito has comeback when he has been behind like in Oscar, Reid, fights. But i do agree with your other comments, Tito has no Plan B he can't adjust and thats why he got dominated against Wright, Hopkins.[/quote]
Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission. Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.
On Jones’ worst day…he’s thrice the man Reid is.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]I blame a lot of this on his father. I think that he's a terrible fit as a trainer & that, far to often, he's let his son drive down many a one way street into a semi or cement truck...head on, so to speak.
Agreed didn't he say that Tito was winning the Hopkins fight :-\
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Yes he did. He’s always kept Tito in left field when it comes to what’s really what out on the mat.
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So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?
Yep because it wasn't a robbery, I thought Barrera got a draw against Marquez and would of won if knockdown would of been scored. But you said to other members here the ones who thought Barrera won that they have to give Marquez his dues even if they didn't think Marquez won. So basically you have to do the same in this case because it wasn't a robbery plus Tito done very well to get back into the fight he was losing by about 3 or 4 rounds.
I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?
I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.
For most of the fight Oscar was running hardly throwing any punches, he would throw flurries every once in a while, and throw some jabs but most of the time he was on the back foot and he was way to cautious. Thats why he got tired at the end because he was wasting energy by dancing/running for the entire 3 minutes of the round no one can keep up that pace.
Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.
Well not long before that fight Whitaker gave Oscar a very razor thin close fight, in which many thought Oscar got a gift decision. So i think Tito deserves bit more credit.
Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.
Well i can't change your mind on that so we will leave it at that.
Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission.
Tito forced Oscar on the back foot so Tito played a part into Oscar tiring late in the fight. I just think Oscar was moving way too much he almost seemed scared of Tito's power, and he never really got his body weight into the shots.
Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.
Not saying it has anything to do with Jones fight, its just you said Tito doesn't box well unless he has the upper hand. So i just pointed of them fights because he was losing in those fights and comeback well in both fights.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
I think the Wacko / Ice match up will prove to be far more entertaining than Jones vs. Trinidad.
This is more of an "event" of big names rather than a relevant fight for boxing standings.I'll be on the RBR but will save My money on this one.
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I think the Wacko / Ice match up will prove to be far more entertaining than Jones vs. Trinidad.
This is more of an "event" of big names rather than a relevant fight for boxing standings.I'll be on the RBR but will save My money on this one.
I think I might be developing epilepsy from all the different fonts, bolds, italics and colours they're using.
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I think the Wacko / Ice match up will prove to be far more entertaining than Jones vs. Trinidad.
This is more of an "event" of big names rather than a relevant fight for boxing standings.I'll be on the RBR but will save My money on this one.
I think I might be developing epilepsy from all the different fonts, bolds, italics and colours they're using.
Eggs-zackree!
One of the reasons I no longer banter with him...I mean...WTF?!?!?! Why note quote like a normal forum goer?!?!?! ;D :P
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by superheavyrhun
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Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs In 'Nawlins
I think the Wacko / Ice match up will prove to be far more entertaining than Jones vs. Trinidad.
This is more of an "event" of big names rather than a relevant fight for boxing standings.I'll be on the RBR but will save My money on this one.
I think I might be developing epilepsy from all the different fonts, bolds, italics and colours they're using.
Eggs-zackree!
One of the reasons I no longer banter with him...I mean...WTF?!?!?! Why note quote like a normal forum goer?!?!?! ;D :P
Oh come on thats a petty excuse you lost just admit it ;)
Nah but seriously i find it easier to do it that way, i can't believe some people find it hard to read. I think it breaks long sentences down and its easier to read.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of shit ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.
Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.
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Oh come on thats a petty excuse you lost just admit it ;)
I often find your adolescent assumptions ammusing half way through...but considering myself having lost something? Nah...only flesh off of my finger tips typing text that you quite often shift a few words to better suit a later purpose in your favor.
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Nah but seriously i find it easier to do it that way, i can't believe some people find it hard to read. I think it breaks long sentences down and its easier to read.
This coming from the man who quite often refused puncuation...or was that 140? I so often confuse the two. ;) ;D :-*
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Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.
Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.
Well then color me silly for saying so, under the guise of the forum wizard & Crockee-dile-gotdam-dundee himself!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZZSnVt5hss
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoyo's!
Happy New Years bitches...it's just 'round the corner!
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.
Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.
Not trying to speak for Snakey full force or anything...but any man that can wrangle up four to six punch combinations, stop on a dime, pot shot, & then slide out of the way unscathed or drop his hands to his side or behind his back & then fire speedy & accurate from the hip…soon to follow with another rally...that's the man that get’s my vote for a sound technical background.
Now…athletically speaking…that very man who can do such…& then top it off with often going entire fights or a handful of rounds & not getting touched with 1 or less than 5 to 6 shots all night long…I think ole’ Snakey has enough smarts to get away with a statement like that.
Jones was both athletically superior & also technically gifted compared to the every day contender here, there, & everywhere…even shoulder to shoulder with most champs.
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]
Didn't beat Oscar...no matter how many different ways it get's argued by how many different people.
Of course he beat him who else beat him ?? the ref ?? Tito made Oscar run all night, Oscar knew the danger and Tito forced him to run all night along eventually Oscar got tired from all the running, and Tito took advantage and won the later rounds, if Oscar would of stood toe to toe he would of got KO, he knew it so did everyone else thats why he had to use his legs and keep on the move, your not giving Tito enough credit for that win.
So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?
I have watched that bout (much to my sickness) over & over again, I have read the articles supporting & opposing the decision, seen that HBO Legendary Nights bit also & nothing sways me from my position. Oscar handily out boxed Trinidad up until about the 8th round. Yes he took the last few rounds off…but had already boxed comfortably to a position of dominance. Oscar’s stamina was never a question back then…but the amount of punches he threw against Trinidad & the amount of movement he used to stay out of reach of Tito’s shots definitely wore him out.
I don’t credit Tito with that win because I don’t think that he deserved it.
I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?
I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]
Pernell. I hate it when people bring that one up because Pernell was not even a shade of himself when Tito handled that bout.
I know Pernell wasn't in his prime, but he was still good respected name at the time. Tito is the only boxer who has beaten Whitaker without controversy. Yes Whitaker wasn't in his prime but Tito still deserves credit for the win.
Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.
A win over a champion is a win…but it’s hard to fully respect it unless in his prime…but that’s just my thoughts. He still get’s the W on his script & that’s that I reckon.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]I don't think Tito's that effective as a middleweight...even though he did handle Joppy...who I rated back in his days. If he wasn't effective at middle...I just can't imagine him being anymore effective at light heavy...or whatever we'll be calling his catch weight.
I think it was more to do with Tito not being able to fight his fight, and not being able to use his power against Wright, Hopkins. Because of how well they boxed with there great technical skills. Jones is nowhere near as good technically, even though im a big Jones fan lets get real he basically used athletic ability. But now that has gone there is always a chance Tito could catch him.[/quote]
I disagree here.
Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.
Sure there’s a chance that Tito could catch him…but I don’t believe Jones is that stupid anymore.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]Tito's just not that intelligent of a boxer. He's a fighter...plain & simple. He doesn't really box all that well unless he has established the upper hand. If he's boxed into a corner...you can see the deer actually start batting it's eyelids in front of the headlights...just prior to getting struck.
I disagree with that slightly, Tito has comeback when he has been behind like in Oscar, Reid, fights. But i do agree with your other comments, Tito has no Plan B he can't adjust and thats why he got dominated against Wright, Hopkins.[/quote]
Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission. Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.
On Jones’ worst day…he’s thrice the man Reid is.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]I blame a lot of this on his father. I think that he's a terrible fit as a trainer & that, far to often, he's let his son drive down many a one way street into a semi or cement truck...head on, so to speak.
Agreed didn't he say that Tito was winning the Hopkins fight :-\
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Yes he did. He’s always kept Tito in left field when it comes to what’s really what out on the mat.
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So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?
Yep because it wasn't a robbery, I thought Barrera got a draw against Marquez and would of won if knockdown would of been scored. But you said to other members here the ones who thought Barrera won that they have to give Marquez his dues even if they didn't think Marquez won. So basically you have to do the same in this case because it wasn't a robbery plus Tito done very well to get back into the fight he was losing by about 3 or 4 rounds.
I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?
I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.
For most of the fight Oscar was running hardly throwing any punches, he would throw flurries every once in a while, and throw some jabs but most of the time he was on the back foot and he was way to cautious. Thats why he got tired at the end because he was wasting energy by dancing/running for the entire 3 minutes of the round no one can keep up that pace.
Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.
Well not long before that fight Whitaker gave Oscar a very razor thin close fight, in which many thought Oscar got a gift decision. So i think Tito deserves bit more credit.
Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.
Well i can't change your mind on that so we will leave it at that.
Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission.
Tito forced Oscar on the back foot so Tito played a part into Oscar tiring late in the fight. I just think Oscar was moving way too much he almost seemed scared of Tito's power, and he never really got his body weight into the shots.
Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.
Not saying it has anything to do with Jones fight, its just you said Tito doesn't box well unless he has the upper hand. So i just pointed of them fights because he was losing in those fights and comeback well in both fights.
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What the fuck is all of this?
You guys need to learn how to fwocken quote.... :(
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Re: Wacko's Round by Round of Roy Jones jr vs Tito Trinidad! Happy New Year bwoy
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Originally Posted by Snakey
Who ever said jones is not technically sound...WTF? Thats the biggest load of S*** ive ever heard. The guy used to outbox guys so they looked stupid, he used his reflexes...so does every boxer.
Uhh no it isn't Jones was never a great technical boxer thats obvious, thats why when his reflexes slowed down and he couldn't use his athletic ability anymore he was KO because he was never a great technical boxer. Jones had amazing talent but he was unorthodox and nothing he did was technically sound or boxing basics. Jones was a great boxer, and one of my favorite boxers of all time. But to say he is technically sound is a bit silly.
ICB you gotta be shitting me here.
Mate you alright? Seems to me as of late your posts get more and more irrational.
RJJ not technically sound? Wow!
Argueably the most athletic boxer to step into a ring not technically sound.
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quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]
Didn't beat Oscar...no matter how many different ways it get's argued by how many different people.
Of course he beat him who else beat him ?? the ref ?? Tito made Oscar run all night, Oscar knew the danger and Tito forced him to run all night along eventually Oscar got tired from all the running, and Tito took advantage and won the later rounds, if Oscar would of stood toe to toe he would of got KO, he knew it so did everyone else thats why he had to use his legs and keep on the move, your not giving Tito enough credit for that win.
So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?
I have watched that bout (much to my sickness) over & over again, I have read the articles supporting & opposing the decision, seen that HBO Legendary Nights bit also & nothing sways me from my position. Oscar handily out boxed Trinidad up until about the 8th round. Yes he took the last few rounds off…but had already boxed comfortably to a position of dominance. Oscar’s stamina was never a question back then…but the amount of punches he threw against Trinidad & the amount of movement he used to stay out of reach of Tito’s shots definitely wore him out.
I don’t credit Tito with that win because I don’t think that he deserved it.
I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?
I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]
Pernell. I hate it when people bring that one up because Pernell was not even a shade of himself when Tito handled that bout.
I know Pernell wasn't in his prime, but he was still good respected name at the time. Tito is the only boxer who has beaten Whitaker without controversy. Yes Whitaker wasn't in his prime but Tito still deserves credit for the win.
Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.
A win over a champion is a win…but it’s hard to fully respect it unless in his prime…but that’s just my thoughts. He still get’s the W on his script & that’s that I reckon.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]
I don't think Tito's that effective as a middleweight...even though he did handle Joppy...who I rated back in his days. If he wasn't effective at middle...I just can't imagine him being anymore effective at light heavy...or whatever we'll be calling his catch weight.
I think it was more to do with Tito not being able to fight his fight, and not being able to use his power against Wright, Hopkins. Because of how well they boxed with there great technical skills. Jones is nowhere near as good technically, even though im a big Jones fan lets get real he basically used athletic ability. But now that has gone there is always a chance Tito could catch him.
I disagree here.
Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.
Sure there’s a chance that Tito could catch him…but I don’t believe Jones is that stupid anymore.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]Tito's just not that intelligent of a boxer. He's a fighter...plain & simple. He doesn't really box all that well unless he has established the upper hand. If he's boxed into a corner...you can see the deer actually start batting it's eyelids in front of the headlights...just prior to getting struck.
I disagree with that slightly, Tito has comeback when he has been behind like in Oscar, Reid, fights. But i do agree with your other comments, Tito has no Plan B he can't adjust and thats why he got dominated against Wright, Hopkins.[/quote]
Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission. Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.
On Jones’ worst day…he’s thrice the man Reid is.
quote author=Ice Cold Boxing link=topic=56686.msg739917#msg739917 date=1199029785]I blame a lot of this on his father. I think that he's a terrible fit as a trainer & that, far to often, he's let his son drive down many a one way street into a semi or cement truck...head on, so to speak.
Agreed didn't he say that Tito was winning the Hopkins fight :-\
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Yes he did. He’s always kept Tito in left field when it comes to what’s really what out on the mat.
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So in saying that…you feel that I should respect him for a win that I do not believe that he deserved?
Yep because it wasn't a robbery, I thought Barrera got a draw against Marquez and would of won if knockdown would of been scored. But you said to other members here the ones who thought Barrera won that they have to give Marquez his dues even if they didn't think Marquez won. So basically you have to do the same in this case because it wasn't a robbery plus Tito done very well to get back into the fight he was losing by about 3 or 4 rounds.
I noticed you said “running”…surely that’s not your stance on that game plan?
I’d be shocked to hear you say that’s your point of view.
For most of the fight Oscar was running hardly throwing any punches, he would throw flurries every once in a while, and throw some jabs but most of the time he was on the back foot and he was way to cautious. Thats why he got tired at the end because he was wasting energy by dancing/running for the entire 3 minutes of the round no one can keep up that pace.
Sure he got the win…yes it was over a faded champion…I never said that he didn’t deserve it noted…just a fact that it shouldn’t raise Tito to the elite due to Sweet Pea’s faded status.
Well not long before that fight Whitaker gave Oscar a very razor thin close fight, in which many thought Oscar got a gift decision. So i think Tito deserves bit more credit.
Totally…Jones is technically sound. Yes he does rely on reflexes a lot…but lately, he’s been focusing on adapting to his aging body & weight, as evident in his last 2 bouts.
Well i can't change your mind on that so we will leave it at that.
Oscar let that happen…by his own stupidity…& years later by his own admission.
Tito forced Oscar on the back foot so Tito played a part into Oscar tiring late in the fight. I just think Oscar was moving way too much he almost seemed scared of Tito's power, and he never really got his body weight into the shots.
Reid…yeah he came back…but the length of distance between Jones, Reid, Oscar, Wright, & Hopkins…well…it aint even worth discussing.
Not saying it has anything to do with Jones fight, its just you said Tito doesn't box well unless he has the upper hand. So i just pointed of them fights because he was losing in those fights and comeback well in both fights.
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What the F*** is all of this?
You guys need to learn how to fwocken quote.... :(
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That is what Ice COLD Boxing calls "winning".
Almost dizzying...his intellect...when you put all that hammer type with it, I mean. ;D