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Apparently he only has two losses. To Ishida and to Canelo.
https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/62137
That Canelo loss really fucked him up though. That and losing Anne Wolf as his trainer. Talent wasted, or just another guy who was good but just not the guy? I'm thinking he was the latter, always thought he was.
He is fighting on the 26th btw... in case anyone was interested!
He retired for 4 years after that knockout by Canelo. Did not realise that either.
The multiple arrests and jail time didn't help either. With his chin first live by the sword die by the sword style he was always going to burn fast.
Understandable that you'd think Kirkland had more than two losses. Few fights after Ishida, Kirkland was probably one of the most "damaged goods" one-loss fighters in history.
Well he certainly would have if he kept fighting. The Ishida loss was so weird. Does anyone remember those videos of Kirkland losing where they edited out his opponents somehow? I believe they made ones for both of his losses, and you could see the contrast between him soaking up bombs against Canelo to just falling down repeatedly against Ishida, cartoon like. Looked as if he was stepping on rakes or something, pretty gold.
Because you are an arse head ? ;)
Yup, Canelo beat about 3 fights worth out of him. Browsed his last bout; he is still flat footed as ever. Concrete shoes. Squares up, chin out & about lookin' for a close encounter with a glove or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Because he’s not good. You’d expect him to have more losses. But he was matched well to get the most out of a very very limited guy.
3 now. Woah I guess that went to go the way it needed to go for Kirklands sake in the long run. Juan Macias Montiel scores 3 knockdowns in the 1st round basically walking right through Kirkland brutally. Zero punch resistance hurt by everything.
One thing that I have come to realize is that punch resistance has a lot to do with mentality. Sure, some people are born with a better punch resistance than others, but if your mind isn’t right, you won’t be able to take punches well. Kirkland seems to have real mental issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
Huge factor for sure but I think much more in the bigger picture. Being wound way to tight, knowing he's been caved in before and lifestyle etc. But he's never shown 'give' when repeatedly caught flush, as weird as that sounds..that shell up have second thoughts turn away stuff type give. To me Kirkland has always been that example of a guy who gets literally short circuited on head, chin and temple fast punches. Even in fights he's won when hurt it was like everything blinked on and off and this crazy instinct kicks in. Legs lock and stepping off of curbs that aren't there eyes open but no one is home for a few seconds. Hopefully this is it for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by powerpuncherOne thing that I have come to realize is that punch resistance has a lot to do with mentality. Sure, some people are born with a better punch resistance than others, but if your mind isn’t right, you won’t be able to take punches well. Kirkland seems to have real mental issues.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
They could have really stopped that one earlier. Complete mismatch for David Morrell jr but looking pretty fluid.
He is the Seth Mitchell of the welterweight division. Be gone with him then... he may never have been the dude we were looking for. What we wanted from him we got in Daniel Jacobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spicoli
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I'd imagine Ann Wolfe turn this fight off right at the 1st KD. @Spicoli. I agree with @powerpuncher on the mentality issue. How did he walk through Joel Julio who was still in contentions for a top spot. Known for KOs & couldn't really wobble James?
https://youtu.be/akW8GQ9fQek
The James that got stopped this fight slumbers out of his corner. The James under Ann (Joel Julio) breaks out the corner.
The James in this fight allows distance. The James under Ann swarmed fighters & I think to his advantage wouldnt allow guys who needed to extend for maximums leverage
What I saw in that 1st round was a guy who looked like he has never stepped in the ring before. Just awful.
Damn, that was bad.:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by ykdadamaja
Juan Macias has an unusual punching style. He switch hits and throws vicious uppercuts finishing Kirkland off in that video.
Sorry, I can't give him any credit for landing everything thrown. I'm sure he is decent, but C'mon Master, you know James looked like he never stepped in a ring. I can't think of too many worse performances from a once top 10er.:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
James looked so awful, I would give me a chance to go the distance with Kirkland. Give 6 months, I think I could eke out a SD. And I'm 51.
I was just commenting on the unusual style and attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTraeSorry, I can't give him any credit for landing everything thrown. I'm sure he is decent, but C'mon Master, you know James looked like he never stepped in a ring. I can't think of too many worse performances from a once top 10er.:-\Quote:
Originally Posted by Master
Macias may not amount to much and it was a shot James Kirkland but he did what he had to do.
He made it out the 1st round against Canelo, but couldnt make it out the 1st minute against this guy or Ishida?:eek: Somethin' is up with him internally. He is officially done. I enjoyed his fights up to Ishida.
Macias reminds me of Julio Cesar Martinez.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VHFR4nOBFo
its 3
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying Kirkland didn't have a headful of cobwebs over career. We're pretty much all aware the sport is more mental than physical, again in the bigger picture. Part of those cobwebs probably lead to Wolfe leaving in the first place can't recall but we cannot deny that what we see today was the inevitable finish to what we saw early in Kirkland. No one expected him to come in v Montiel and be reborn and unbreakable.Quote:
Originally Posted by SlimTrae
A fighters flaws and vulnerabilities are an accumulative you cannot shake. It never stops. You just stack 'stuff'..age..damage..zero defense..concussions..years..onto your bowed back and it honestly wouldn't have mattered if it was Wolfe or Manny Steward sending him out now. We're just reached the inevitability of the guy we saw at the start. He's fought with his face for his entire career. Minds crack, so do chins and shaky rigged legs. Kirkland has always been 'hit ugly'. You see the physical reaction many times. Julio caught him flush and stood still with his very first uppercut. And honestly it wasn't like Julio was knocking out boogeymen save for maybe a K9 Bundrage and Vilches? Cortes stopped him dead in his tracks with a flush shot pre Julio. Jhon Berrio just 1 fight after Julio had Kirkland staggered badly with a right hand, legs locked up, standing stock still as I mentioned. It all collects with a single gear sponging style like that. Crazy thing is the first KD Montiel scored was a near replica of the short left cross Ishida timed him with.
legs locked up;D
like the locks for table legs!