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"El Perro" Angulo vs. James Kirkland - Saturday "Fight Thread"
Real boxing fans, will wanna see this one tonight, it should be a war! :hair_up:
The Card starts on HBO @ 10:15 PM EST tonight, or at 2 or 3 AM Sunday morning across the pond.
November 5
At Cancun, Mexico (HBO): Alfredo Angulo vs. James Kirkland, 12 rounds, junior middleweights; Peter "Kid Chocolate" Quillin vs. Craig McEwan, 10 rounds, middleweights.
I'll go with El Perro by 5th round KO.
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I just don't see how Kirkland's chin will hold up to Angulo. His only hope is to go right at Angulo and try to spark him early.
Bute - Johnson is interesting. Pressure has trouble Bute in the past, and there's no one better at it than Johnson, but I think Bute learned a lot from the Andrade fights and he should come through here.
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CFH
I just don't see how Kirkland's chin will hold up to Angulo. His only hope is to go right at Angulo and try to spark him early.
Bute - Johnson is interesting. Pressure has trouble Bute in the past, and there's no one better at it than Johnson, but I think Bute learned a lot from the Andrade fights and he should come through here.
I don't think Kirkland will see it any differently, and he does have a shot of taking Angulo out early imo although I doubt it'll happen, this will basically be a street fight. I know Cintron has real power and managed to hold it together and outbox Angulo, but that fight made me wonder how much confidence Angulo really has in his own ability to take punishment. He never quite threw caution to the wind and went after Cintron once he fell behind, as one might have expected him to given his supposed toughness and Cintrons lack of. Of course Kirkland can't really take anything else from that fight as he can't box for shit, but it's something.
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Also, given that this fight is in no way bigger than it would have been a couple of years ago you've got to wonder whether Kirkland or his people really feel it's a good career move or just want to cash out before he goes back to jail or something:confused:
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I'm excited for this one.
Hard not to pick Angulo, but I'll be rooting for Kirkland to pull it out somehow.
Also, I think Johnson can beat Bute, who doesn't have the best chin.
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Hulk
I'm excited for this one.
Hard not to pick Angulo, but I'll be rooting for Kirkland to pull it out somehow.
Also, I think Johnson can beat Bute, who doesn't have the best chin.
I wouldn't say Bute has a bad chin, he took some decent shots from Bika who is about on par with Johnson at this stage for power and pressure. It was really fatigue that cost him against Andrade and the rematch counts for a lot.
Apparently Johnson has sparred a bunch with Bute, which points to him having even less of a chance than you'd expect imo. That's not to say Johnson won't give it his all of course, but I do feel he has no problem playing the opponent at this point. Bute's people are pretty careful with him, no reason to fight Johnson if they weren't very confident.
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Re: "El Perro" Angulo vs. James Kirkland - Saturday on HBO BAD
I'm with most of you guys, I can't see Kirkland outlasting Angulo.
Like CFH said if he can tag him early he's got a chance but I just think Angulo will soak up the damage better, whereas I see Kirkland succumbing
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Angulo should handle him in an entertaining fight whilst it lasts. I was so suprised when he lost in the first round I really didn't see that coming at all. He has shown that if someone can stand up to him he is limited. Somebody of angulos quality with the power that he has is going to cause Kirkland a lot of problems. Kirklands only chance is to stop Angulo so that's why this fight won't go the distance and I believe Angulo will stop in the early rounds.
Bute will win a UD against Johnson. Johnson doesn't have the stamina to win a championship level fight anymore and although he will make it competative in the early rounds, Bute's boxing ability will win him rounds and earn the points decision.
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p4pking
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Originally Posted by
CFH
I just don't see how Kirkland's chin will hold up to Angulo. His only hope is to go right at Angulo and try to spark him early.
Bute - Johnson is interesting. Pressure has trouble Bute in the past, and there's no one better at it than Johnson, but I think Bute learned a lot from the Andrade fights and he should come through here.
I don't think Kirkland will see it any differently, and he does have a shot of taking Angulo out early imo although I doubt it'll happen, this will basically be a street fight. I know Cintron has real power and managed to hold it together and outbox Angulo, but that fight made me wonder how much confidence Angulo really has in his own ability to take punishment. He never quite threw caution to the wind and went after Cintron once he fell behind, as one might have expected him to given his supposed toughness and Cintrons lack of. Of course Kirkland can't really take anything else from that fight as he can't box for shit, but it's something.
I seem to remember Cintron buzzing ANgulo a couple of times as well, so maybe Kirkland can get to his chin.
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Originally Posted by
CFH
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Originally Posted by
p4pking
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Originally Posted by
CFH
I just don't see how Kirkland's chin will hold up to Angulo. His only hope is to go right at Angulo and try to spark him early.
Bute - Johnson is interesting. Pressure has trouble Bute in the past, and there's no one better at it than Johnson, but I think Bute learned a lot from the Andrade fights and he should come through here.
I don't think Kirkland will see it any differently, and he does have a shot of taking Angulo out early imo although I doubt it'll happen, this will basically be a street fight. I know Cintron has real power and managed to hold it together and outbox Angulo, but that fight made me wonder how much confidence Angulo really has in his own ability to take punishment. He never quite threw caution to the wind and went after Cintron once he fell behind, as one might have expected him to given his supposed toughness and Cintrons lack of. Of course Kirkland can't really take anything else from that fight as he can't box for shit, but it's something.
I seem to remember Cintron buzzing ANgulo a couple of times as well, so maybe Kirkland can get to his chin.
Your right, might be a case of who gets there 1st, cause Kirkland can definitely bang!
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
I'm with most of you guys, I can't see Kirkland outlasting Angulo.
Like CFH said if he can tag him early he's got a chance but I just think Angulo will soak up the damage better, whereas I see Kirkland succumbing
I think it depends on which Kirkland shows up, if he fights like he did before he went to prison, he's got a shot at winning. Kirkland at this point, is a bit of a mystery.
As for Johnson, with a few exceptions during his career, it seems like he always comes up just short in championship fights. Like someone said, Bute's issues in the Andres fight, weren't per-say his chin, it was more about stamina, he ran out of gas. The chances of Glenn landing some huge haymaker, and ending the fight are pretty slim as are him winning a decision in Quebec City.
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Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
I'm with most of you guys, I can't see Kirkland outlasting Angulo.
Like CFH said if he can tag him early he's got a chance but I just think Angulo will soak up the damage better, whereas I see Kirkland succumbing
I think it depends on which Kirkland shows up, if he fights like he did before he went to prison, he's got a shot at winning. Kirkland at this point, is a bit of a mystery.
As for Johnson, with a few exceptions during his career, it seems like he always comes up just short in championship fights. Like someone said, Bute's issues in the Andres fight, weren't per-say his chin, it was more about stamina, he ran out of gas. The chances of Glenn landing some huge haymaker, and ending the fight are pretty slim as are him winning a decision in Quebec City.
I agree about Kirkland being a mystery at this stage, he was always hitable but he just seemed to walk through everything prior to his visit to the big house. He wasn't even hit by huge shots when he got taken out imo.
Question: whats the better result for the game? A Kirkland revival or Angulo's
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
I'm with most of you guys, I can't see Kirkland outlasting Angulo.
Like CFH said if he can tag him early he's got a chance but I just think Angulo will soak up the damage better, whereas I see Kirkland succumbing
I think it depends on which Kirkland shows up, if he fights like he did before he went to prison, he's got a shot at winning. Kirkland at this point, is a bit of a mystery.
As for Johnson, with a few exceptions during his career, it seems like he always comes up just short in championship fights. Like someone said, Bute's issues in the Andres fight, weren't per-say his chin, it was more about stamina, he ran out of gas. The chances of Glenn landing some huge haymaker, and ending the fight are pretty slim as are him winning a decision in Quebec City.
I agree about Kirkland being a mystery at this stage, he was always hitable but he just seemed to walk through everything prior to his visit to the big house. He wasn't even hit by huge shots when he got taken out imo.
Question:
whats the better result for the game? A Kirkland revival or Angulo's
Good question, both pugs have had run-ins with Law Enforcement, Kirklands being more severe, I reckon it just depends on who ya like best. In my case that's Angulo, he's the more colorful of the 2 fighters, got that Dog and collar thing going on. ;)
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
I'm with most of you guys, I can't see Kirkland outlasting Angulo.
Like CFH said if he can tag him early he's got a chance but I just think Angulo will soak up the damage better, whereas I see Kirkland succumbing
I think it depends on which Kirkland shows up, if he fights like he did before he went to prison, he's got a shot at winning. Kirkland at this point, is a bit of a mystery.
As for Johnson, with a few exceptions during his career, it seems like he always comes up just short in championship fights. Like someone said, Bute's issues in the Andres fight, weren't per-say his chin, it was more about stamina, he ran out of gas. The chances of Glenn landing some huge haymaker, and ending the fight are pretty slim as are him winning a decision in Quebec City.
I agree about Kirkland being a mystery at this stage, he was always hitable but he just seemed to walk through everything prior to his visit to the big house. He wasn't even hit by huge shots when he got taken out imo.
Question:
whats the better result for the game? A Kirkland revival or Angulo's
Good question, both pugs have had run-ins with Law Enforcement, Kirklands being more severe, I reckon it just depends on who ya like best. In my case that's Angulo, he's the more colorful of the 2 fighters, got that Dog and collar thing going on. ;)
You kinky bastard...;D
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
I'm with most of you guys, I can't see Kirkland outlasting Angulo.
Like CFH said if he can tag him early he's got a chance but I just think Angulo will soak up the damage better, whereas I see Kirkland succumbing
I think it depends on which Kirkland shows up, if he fights like he did before he went to prison, he's got a shot at winning. Kirkland at this point, is a bit of a mystery.
As for Johnson, with a few exceptions during his career, it seems like he always comes up just short in championship fights. Like someone said, Bute's issues in the Andres fight, weren't per-say his chin, it was more about stamina, he ran out of gas. The chances of Glenn landing some huge haymaker, and ending the fight are pretty slim as are him winning a decision in Quebec City.
I agree about Kirkland being a mystery at this stage, he was always hitable but he just seemed to walk through everything prior to his visit to the big house. He wasn't even hit by huge shots when he got taken out imo.
Question:
whats the better result for the game? A Kirkland revival or Angulo's
Good question, both pugs have had run-ins with Law Enforcement, Kirklands being more severe, I reckon it just depends on who ya like best. In my case that's Angulo, he's the more colorful of the 2 fighters, got that Dog and collar thing going on. ;)
I like Angulo too, but Kirkland had the better star potential before his stint & 1st rd destruction
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
I'm with most of you guys, I can't see Kirkland outlasting Angulo.
Like CFH said if he can tag him early he's got a chance but I just think Angulo will soak up the damage better, whereas I see Kirkland succumbing
I think it depends on which Kirkland shows up, if he fights like he did before he went to prison, he's got a shot at winning. Kirkland at this point, is a bit of a mystery.
As for Johnson, with a few exceptions during his career, it seems like he always comes up just short in championship fights. Like someone said, Bute's issues in the Andres fight, weren't per-say his chin, it was more about stamina, he ran out of gas. The chances of Glenn landing some huge haymaker, and ending the fight are pretty slim as are him winning a decision in Quebec City.
I agree about Kirkland being a mystery at this stage, he was always hitable but he just seemed to walk through everything prior to his visit to the big house. He wasn't even hit by huge shots when he got taken out imo.
Question: whats the better result for the game? A Kirkland revival or Angulo's
Angulo. After watching him get blasted out of the ring in one round I have no faith in Kirkland.
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Hulk
I'm excited for this one.
Hard not to pick Angulo, but I'll be rooting for Kirkland to pull it out somehow.
Also, I think Johnson can beat Bute, who doesn't have the best chin.
Hulk also may be pointing to the fact that Bute was KO'd by Gennady Govotkin in the amateurs. His chin isn't world class, but it's not horrible from what I've seen. As Galaxy mentioned, he took shots from Bika pretty well and Bika can punch.
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Kirkland's aura of invincibility was destroyed by Ishida. The question is whether Ishida's KO was due to Kirkland's lack of defense and poor chin or because he didn't have the game plan and wasn't as prepared as he had been when he was trained by Wolfe? It seems to be a strange fight for Kirkland to take given that Angulo's a puncher and Kirkland was KO'd recently. Maybe Kirkland follows the blueprint laid out by Cintron and boxes Angulo to a decision?
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
I'm with most of you guys, I can't see Kirkland outlasting Angulo.
Like CFH said if he can tag him early he's got a chance but I just think Angulo will soak up the damage better, whereas I see Kirkland succumbing
I think it depends on which Kirkland shows up, if he fights like he did before he went to prison, he's got a shot at winning. Kirkland at this point, is a bit of a mystery.
As for Johnson, with a few exceptions during his career, it seems like he always comes up just short in championship fights. Like someone said, Bute's issues in the Andres fight, weren't per-say his chin, it was more about stamina, he ran out of gas. The chances of Glenn landing some huge haymaker, and ending the fight are pretty slim as are him winning a decision in Quebec City.
I agree about Kirkland being a mystery at this stage, he was always hitable but he just seemed to walk through everything prior to his visit to the big house. He wasn't even hit by huge shots when he got taken out imo.
Question:
whats the better result for the game? A Kirkland revival or Angulo's
Good question, both pugs have had run-ins with Law Enforcement, Kirklands being more severe, I reckon it just depends on who ya like best. In my case that's Angulo, he's the more colorful of the 2 fighters, got that Dog and collar thing going on. ;)
You kinky bastard...;D
Coming from a guy who uses "Nature Boy" Rick Flair as his avatar. ;D
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I hope Angulo win so we can have a good opponent for Martinez is Pacman is playing weight game with him. For Kirkland will have no chance against Martinez.
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Glen will WIN!!!
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Ant Live
I hope Angulo win so we can have a good opponent for Martinez is Pacman is playing weight game with him. For Kirkland will have no chance against Martinez.
oh
Glen will WIN!!!
If he gets by Kirkland, I'd love to see Angulo fight Chavez Jr next in Mexico City.
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At least on paper, this the type of fight that is supposed to be on BAD. 2 good, but not top-level, young fighters with exciting styles.
And if it's an entertaining and competitive fight, even the loser will be in line for another BAD fight down the line.
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Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Hulk
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Galaxy
I'm with most of you guys, I can't see Kirkland outlasting Angulo.
Like CFH said if he can tag him early he's got a chance but I just think Angulo will soak up the damage better, whereas I see Kirkland succumbing
I think it depends on which Kirkland shows up, if he fights like he did before he went to prison, he's got a shot at winning. Kirkland at this point, is a bit of a mystery.
As for Johnson, with a few exceptions during his career, it seems like he always comes up just short in championship fights. Like someone said, Bute's issues in the Andres fight, weren't per-say his chin, it was more about stamina, he ran out of gas. The chances of Glenn landing some huge haymaker, and ending the fight are pretty slim as are him winning a decision in Quebec City.
I agree about Kirkland being a mystery at this stage, he was always hitable but he just seemed to walk through everything prior to his visit to the big house. He wasn't even hit by huge shots when he got taken out imo.
Question:
whats the better result for the game? A Kirkland revival or Angulo's
Good question, both pugs have had run-ins with Law Enforcement, Kirklands being more severe, I reckon it just depends on who ya like best. In my case that's Angulo, he's the more colorful of the 2 fighters, got that Dog and collar thing going on. ;)
You kinky bastard...;D
Coming from a guy who uses "Nature Boy" Rick Flair as his avatar. ;D
Watch it. "Your gonna find out hoppin on is a lot easier than hoppin off ! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!"
And to respond to another poster, no I was not referring to Bute being KO'd in the amatuers, I am not that good of a boxing nerd to have known that.
I was just alluding to the Andrade Bute first bout.
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I think Kirkland beats Angulo just because Angulo's hands are too slow. Sure he's durable, but #1 he's not hard to find and #2 Defense can be improved in training.
Johnson will get out pointed though I'd love for him to KO Bute.
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El Kabong
I think Kirkland beats Angulo just because Angulo's hands are too slow. Sure he's durable, but #1 he's not hard to find and #2 Defense can be improved in training.
Johnson will get out pointed though I'd love for him to KO Bute.
I think I've said this about every fight Johnson has had since he dropped to 168, but I wouldn't be surprised if he got stopped. At some point age and weight-drain are going to take their toll.
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CFH
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El Kabong
I think Kirkland beats Angulo just because Angulo's hands are too slow. Sure he's durable, but #1 he's not hard to find and #2 Defense can be improved in training.
Johnson will get out pointed though I'd love for him to KO Bute.
I think I've said this about every fight Johnson has had since he dropped to 168, but
I wouldn't be surprised if he got stopped. At some point age and weight-drain are going to take their toll.
I was surprised when Bute came back to stop Andrade in the rematch, I had thought Andrade was damn near impossible for Bute to KO, very impressive.
So it wouldn't be out of the question to see Bute stop Johnson, even though Glenn has only been stopped once during his career, by B-Hop @ middleweight back in 1997. Having said that, I believe Glenn will go the distance, and Bute will win a rather boring UD.
Would I like to see Johnson KO Bute?, why hell yes. :cool:
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Mars_ax
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Ant Live
I hope Angulo win so we can have a good opponent for Martinez is Pacman is playing weight game with him. For Kirkland will have no chance against Martinez.
oh
Glen will WIN!!!
If he gets by Kirkland, I'd love to see Angulo fight Chavez Jr next in Mexico City.
Isn't Jr a bit big for Angulo? 168 vs 154, that's a bit much. Now Canelo vs Angulo, that's a must!
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El Kabong
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Mars_ax
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Ant Live
I hope Angulo win so we can have a good opponent for Martinez is Pacman is playing weight game with him. For Kirkland will have no chance against Martinez.
oh
Glen will WIN!!!
If he gets by Kirkland, I'd love to see Angulo fight Chavez Jr next in Mexico City.
Isn't Jr a bit big for Angulo? 168 vs 154, that's a bit much. Now
Canelo vs Angulo, that's a must!
I keep thinking Jr. is still at 154, I reckon Angulo could move up in weight and fight for Jr's WBC middleweight trinket, but I agree a fight with Alvarez would be killer, and needs to happen.
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Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
El Kabong
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Originally Posted by
Mars_ax
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Originally Posted by
Ant Live
I hope Angulo win so we can have a good opponent for Martinez is Pacman is playing weight game with him. For Kirkland will have no chance against Martinez.
oh
Glen will WIN!!!
If he gets by Kirkland, I'd love to see Angulo fight Chavez Jr next in Mexico City.
Isn't Jr a bit big for Angulo? 168 vs 154, that's a bit much. Now
Canelo vs Angulo, that's a must!
I keep thinking Jr. is still at 154, I reckon Angulo could move up in weight and fight for Jr's WBC middleweight trinket, but I agree a fight with Alvarez would be killer, and needs to happen.
I'd love to see the winner of Angulo/ Kirkland face Alvarez!
Johnson definitely goes the distance imo
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I watched Kirkland against the Japanese guy tonight and then against Julio, it was weird. Not that I rated him highly to begin with, but Julio did land some big shots on him and he took them alright and kept coming. He went on to display the punch resistance of a 12 year old girl in his first fight out of prison, I'd forgotten how feeble he looked. I wonder if something happened to him in jail:-X Hard to give him even a prayer against Angulo unless he had major problems with weight drain or something. I don't buy that not training the way he used to could possibly sap his chin like that.
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I watched Kirkland against the Japanese guy tonight and then against Julio, it was weird. Not that I rated him highly to begin with, but Julio did land some big shots on him and he took them alright and kept coming. He went on to display the punch resistance of a 12 year old girl in his first fight out of prison, I'd forgotten how feeble he looked. I wonder if something happened to him in jail:-X Hard to give him even a prayer against Angulo unless he had major problems with weight drain or something. I don't buy that not training the way he used to could possibly sap his chin like that.
Not sure how much taking it in the ass has an effect on your chin, but the stint definitely didn't do him any good
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This fight starts @ 10:15 PM EST Saturday night on HBO B.A.D., the more I think about it, the Ishida KO be damned, this should be a hell of a fight coming from Cancun, Mexico.
November 5
At Cancun, Mexico (HBO): Alfredo Angulo vs. James Kirkland, 12 rounds, junior middleweights; Peter "Kid Chocolate" Quillin vs. Craig McEwan, 10 rounds, middleweights.
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I dont think Kirkland has a very good chin, with this in mind he need's to box not brawl with Angulo and I think this is a 50 50 fight.
And one fight I want to see may be a bit of a war.;D
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I picked Kirkland by second round TKO in the prediction contest. Its a bit of a longshot, and Angulo most likely gets to him at some point. A well thought out pick obviously.
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p4pking
I don't think Kirkland will see it any differently, and he does have a shot of taking Angulo out early imo although I doubt it'll happen, this will basically be a street fight. I know Cintron has real power and managed to hold it together and outbox Angulo, but that fight made me wonder how much confidence Angulo really has in his own ability to take punishment. He never quite threw caution to the wind and went after Cintron once he fell behind, as one might have expected him to given his supposed toughness and Cintrons lack of. Of course Kirkland can't really take anything else from that fight as he can't box for shit, but it's something.
Totally agree with this, thought the same thing when I was watching.
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Re: "El Perro" Angulo vs. James Kirkland - Saturday "Fight Thread"
Kirkland was buzzed pretty bad by Allen Conyers in the first round of their fight. I think he stopped him that round. Not that that matters a whole lot here as Conyers isn't Angulo, but he seems to have first round issues (or maybe he just has chin issues). I didn't see the fight he got knocked out in. Maybe I should have watched that before I made my pick. :-\
I don't think he comes out to box though. I'm not sure he can really, and I don't think he wants to. Hopefully he just comes out bombing and we see how long it lasts.
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Re: "El Perro" Angulo vs. James Kirkland - Saturday "Fight Thread"
I am still picking Angulo by demolition...think taking a hammer to wet cardboard like demolition.
But one thing sticking out to me is while Kirkland has been shaken badly it was mostly from what I recall guys equally concerned about moving away at the time as they were getting a punch in..."fast" punches that buzz and short circuit. A few things about Angulo are certain...he is not a fast like puncher or mover...he 'rolllls' punches in and mixes body head. He WILL be there for return should Kirkland hold up off initial thumps. I could actually see Kirkland playing the step out boxer and look to have Angulo run into some leather rather than predictable face first attack. I certainly don't see Kirkland having stamina or keeping fluid legs as he's built like a brick shit house but my only pause is Angulo knows no backfoot, he knows improved combinations and isn't shy at getting tagged. This should be a shoot out while it last, don't blink.
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Two things I know . This fight has no chance to see the third round and kirkland has no chance of winning
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Mar
Two things I know . This fight has no chance to see the third round and kirkland has no chance of winning
I'm not so sure about that, you might be underestimating Kirkland a bit there Mar, he's no slouch, even if he did get stopped by Ishida, I wouldn't even be surprised if Kirkland won.
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OumaFan
Kirkland was buzzed pretty bad by Allen Conyers in the first round of their fight. I think he stopped him that round. Not that that matters a whole lot here as Conyers isn't Angulo, but he seems to have first round issues (or maybe he just has chin issues). I didn't see the fight he got knocked out in. Maybe I should have watched that before I made my pick. :-\
I don't think he comes out to box though. I'm not sure he can really, and I don't think he wants to. Hopefully he just comes out bombing and we see how long it lasts.
there is boxing writers who have stated that they were told that Kirkland had chin issues before he ever got dropped in a fight. I'm assuming they had heard about some issues seen in sparring. Couple that with what we have seen in the ring and he doesn't have a good chin.
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Re: "El Perro" Angulo vs. James Kirkland - Saturday "Fight Thread"
I fucking love it when Roy Jones is doing commentary.