Did anyone score the fight for Rios?

I haven't seen the fight yet but as usual I have been too impatient and checked the result first.

I had a quick browse through the fight thread and everyone seems pretty disgusted on here.

There's even this article on secondsout SecondsOut Boxing News - Main News - Rios Awarded Dubious Decision Over Abril and when I saw the headline saying 'dubious' I thought ok another decision that could have gone either way but after reading the article I was surprised as when these sites report they might say that it was 'controversial' etc but they have actually said that Rios was outclassed and beaten clearly, scoring the fight 118-110 for Abril.

Some fights people say are robberies etc when they genuinely could have gone either way. Groves vs Degale after watching it a few times It could have easily been a draw, a win for Groves or a win for Degale. (I had it for Groves by the smallest of margins). So I am assuming this wasn't anything like being that close!.

Did anyone score the fight for Rios? Just curious to know if anyone on here could make a case for Rios winning, even anyone who is a big fan of his, what did you think?

I'll hopefully catch the fight today and post my scores.

It is impossible to score the fight for Rios unless you are one of Arum's in pocket corrupt 'officials'.

Robbery.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

It is impossible to score the fight for Rios unless you are one of Arum's in pocket corrupt 'officials'.

Robbery.

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That's what I keep reading. Unbelievable, not good for the sport.

I was rooting for Rios I'm a fan of him, but no way in hell did he win that fight. I gave him like 2 rounds I think that's it. It was amazing to me how Robert Garcia never urged his fighter that he was down.. was it because he was ignorant and thought his fighter was winning or because he knew something was going on? .... It was also weird how they carried him after the fight.. no way in hell that fight was even close.

Not a chance, mine was the same as the card for Abril. Truly awful decision.

No. Frankly anyone who did is a liar and not fit to judge a grade school coloring contest. Abril mugged and robbed as were the ppv viewers.

They should be sued or charged with a crime.

No way. I had Abril winning. It wasn't even close. I maybe could see at the most something like 116-112 Abril.

It was not even close in any way.

Have not seen any stats but Abril landed more punches the harder punces and was in total control for the 12 rounds.

Off the top of my head might be the worst desion I can remember.

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Originally Posted by porkypara

It was not even close in any way.

Have not seen any stats but Abril landed more punches the harder punces and was in total control for the 12 rounds.

Off the top of my head might be the worst desion I can remember.

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Toss up between this one and Cloud/Campillo.

Both were ridiculous decisions.

118-110 for Abril is what I had. ROBBERY OF THE YEAR !

I feel like I've said this a few times this years but this was the worst decision of the year.

Is it possible that two of the judges could have confused who was who?

You guys are going way over the top.

I scored it 115-113 for Rios.

I haven't seen it but Rios natural aggression and come forward movement definitely was being ignored by the judges and Commentators. Fact.

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Originally Posted by killersheep

Is it possible that two of the judges could have confused who was who?

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Looks like they did.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

You guys are going way over the top.

I scored it 115-113 for Rios.

I haven't seen it but Rios natural aggression and come forward movement definitely was being ignored by the judges and Commentators. Fact.

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I disagree with that. There is noway Rios won that fight, he won 4 rounds max and that's being very very generous.

as yous now i have my blog which collects scores , im still collecting all the scores and will post them tommorrow

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Originally Posted by Fenster

You guys are going way over the top.

I scored it 115-113 for Rios.

I haven't seen it but Rios natural aggression and come forward movement definitely was being ignored by the judges and Commentators. Fact.

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I disagree with that. There is noway Rios won that fight, he won 4 rounds max and that's being very very generous.

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Haha nice...

Well, let's see....

There's Rios himself, Robert Garcia, Rios' parents, the two corrupt judges...... and wait..... it appears Fenster also scored it for Rios. That would be a total of 7 people. Add a few close (and blind) friends in there, his wife (and/or girlfriend), and you'd be pushing what..... about 15-20 people that probably scored the fight for Rios.

Go figure.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

You guys are going way over the top.

I scored it 115-113 for Rios.

I haven't seen it but Rios natural aggression and come forward movement definitely was being ignored by the judges and Commentators. Fact.

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You'll be surprise how many people still gonna bite. Either way 116-112 Abril is what I scored. He should of got the win. That's not even debatable. At the same time he should of had points taken away for his constant, non-stop holding. The ref as is his usual did a poor job

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Originally Posted by porkypara

It was not even close in any way.

Have not seen any stats but Abril landed more punches the harder punces and was in total control for the 12 rounds.

Off the top of my head might be the worst desion I can remember.

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This fight reminded me a lot of Jose Armando Santa Cruz vs. Joel Casamayor.

When Santa Cruz won every round and they gave it the other way to Casamayor !

i watched it from round 4 ish last and i didnt think it was a robbery

it seemed to be the general consensus that rios won the first few too so perpas if i had have watched it all i would have scored it for rios

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Well, let's see....

There's Rios himself, Robert Garcia, Rios' parents, the two corrupt judges...... and wait..... it appears Fenster also scored it for Rios. That would be a total of 7 people. Add a few close (and blind) friends in there, his wife (and/or girlfriend), and you'd be pushing what..... about 15-20 people that probably scored the fight for Rios.

Go figure.

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Well that's just plain stupid.

I had at least 20 people round my house. Everyone thought Rios won and not one of us even watched it. Close fight. No robbery. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Well, let's see....

There's Rios himself, Robert Garcia, Rios' parents, the two corrupt judges...... and wait..... it appears Fenster also scored it for Rios. That would be a total of 7 people. Add a few close (and blind) friends in there, his wife (and/or girlfriend), and you'd be pushing what..... about 15-20 people that probably scored the fight for Rios.

Go figure.

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Well that's just plain stupid.

I had at least 20 people round my house. Everyone thought Rios won and not one of us even watched it. Close fight. No robbery. Fact.

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where was my invite?

I personally think rios is a dick, and him missing the wieght and all that shit doesnt help my opinion

do you reckon coz he is such a spanner people are scoring it the other way?

like pac v marquez, they have 2 very close fights and those who were for marquez put the result down to boxing politics and pac getting a gift, this opinion esculates and with people wanting to see controversy it now becomes common knowledge that marquez is robbed because of the power of pacs promoter

then they have a third fight (just as close) and marquez is robbed again and all the fans point at money and bribed judges

i for one thought pac won the last 2 marquez fights and i cant really remember the first

i also think i started this post saying one thing and went on to something completely different :)

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Well, let's see....

There's Rios himself, Robert Garcia, Rios' parents, the two corrupt judges...... and wait..... it appears Fenster also scored it for Rios. That would be a total of 7 people. Add a few close (and blind) friends in there, his wife (and/or girlfriend), and you'd be pushing what..... about 15-20 people that probably scored the fight for Rios.

Go figure.

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Well that's just plain stupid.

I had at least 20 people round my house. Everyone thought Rios won and not one of us even watched it. Close fight. No robbery. Fact.

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Joke, right?





















.... right?

i thought abril won....but i can see how it was scored for rios.

rios was the agressor. he moved forward and tried over and over to initiate exchanges.
while abril ran and held and clinched. rios threw alot of punches in those clinches that we at home, with the benefit of tv could see were being blocked by abril's right, but judges don't have that advantage.

the last few rounds went to rios. the second round went to him as well. being the bigger name... they may have given him the first round as well... there's 4 rounds right there.

so its not such a suprise that he was given the win.

i'm not agreeing with it... but i'm not suprised.

;D Fenster.

In seriousness, without having to assume beforehand that the judges are incompetent and corrupt, it SHOULD be a hell of a surprise. To say it isn't is only to acknowledge what a farce the sport is. If the judges can't tell that Rios aggression wasn't effective and he was clearly losing rounds then what the hell are they doing there, why don't they have a better angle of the action? It's outrageous, a monkey could've scored this for Abril and if boxing had a shred of respect for it's audience or accountability then this simply could not happen on a PPV card.

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Originally Posted by Gandalf

It is impossible to score the fight for Rios unless you are one of Arum's in pocket corrupt 'officials'.

Robbery.

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I don't think they get paid anything. I think they do it for a regular paycheck. They know who the casinos/promoters want to win so tha's what they do. It means they get picked for future fights and they're not at home watching them on TV.

Mickey Duff, the old British promoter was in Vegas not long after JCC Senior-Meldrick Taylor and bumped into Richard Steele in a bar. He asked him why he stopped the fight when he did and Steele said "Mickey, I've got to work in this town." Times are tough matey, people need work and boxing judges are no exception.

Ok, let me say one thing about the "aggresion" factor. It's supposed to be effective aggresion. You can wade in... get peppered with shots... miss a few of your own, or get them blocked.... and you haven't done a damn thing. Are boxing judges such imbeciles that they can't tell effective aggresion from INeffective aggresion? Who cares that Rios was coming forward all night. He hardly, if ever, connected cleanly on Abril. Most of his shots were blocked, missed altogether, or were smothered by Abril. A blind chimpanzee on crack could've scored the fight better than ol' Curly, Larry, and Moe the other night.

So again.... no frigging way on Earth did Rios win that fight. The decision was outrageous, and the only two possible explanation are:

1. Two of the worst, most retarded boxing judges in the history of the sport.
2. Money exchanged hands.

End of story.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Ok, let me say one thing about the "aggresion" factor. It's supposed to be effective aggresion. You can wade in... get peppered with shots... miss a few of your own, or get them blocked.... and you haven't done a damn thing. Are boxing judges such imbeciles that they can't tell effective aggresion from INeffective aggresion? Who cares that Rios was coming forward all night. He hardly, if ever, connected cleanly on Abril. Most of his shots were blocked, missed altogether, or were smothered by Abril. A blind chimpanzee on crack could've scored the fight better than ol' Curly, Larry, and Moe the other night.

So again.... no frigging way on Earth did Rios win that fight. The decision was outrageous, and the only two possible explanation are:

1. Two of the worst, most retarded boxing judges in the history of the sport.
2. Money exchanged hands.

End of story.

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No disrespect bro, but have you ever been ringside for a fight? The judges have the best view in the house. When you watch on TV you're at the mercy of TV directors. They can make whoever they want look the winner.

It may have looked like Rios lost on TV but the people with the best view saw him win. Trust me. If you watched that fight ringside like I didn't you would've made Rios the winner. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Fenster

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Ok, let me say one thing about the "aggresion" factor. It's supposed to be effective aggresion. You can wade in... get peppered with shots... miss a few of your own, or get them blocked.... and you haven't done a damn thing. Are boxing judges such imbeciles that they can't tell effective aggresion from INeffective aggresion? Who cares that Rios was coming forward all night. He hardly, if ever, connected cleanly on Abril. Most of his shots were blocked, missed altogether, or were smothered by Abril. A blind chimpanzee on crack could've scored the fight better than ol' Curly, Larry, and Moe the other night.

So again.... no frigging way on Earth did Rios win that fight. The decision was outrageous, and the only two possible explanation are:

1. Two of the worst, most retarded boxing judges in the history of the sport.
2. Money exchanged hands.

End of story.

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No disrespect bro, but have you ever been ringside for a fight? The judges have the best view in the house. I would argue with that. Ringside, you're looking UP at the action, not necessarily the best angle. PLUS... you miss a lot of the action on the opposite side of the ring. Simple geometry. You're sitting below a level surface, which if the ring is big enough will obscure your view of the other side. When you watch on TV you're at the mercy of TV directors. They can make whoever they want look the winner. Personally I think you're giving the directors too much credit. I don't they're good enough to "skew" the viewing public in either direction. They're too busy trying to get the best shots and not screw up.

It may have looked like Rios lost on TV but the people with the best view saw him win. Trust me. If you watched that fight ringside like I didn't you would've made Rios the winner. Fact. Again you throw in that key word... "didn't". I don't get it. You didn't watch it at ringside either. What makes you so sure then that Rios won the fight?

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Honestly no... I've never been ringside for a fight. I've been to plenty of fights, and with pretty good seats (personally, I like to sit slightly above the ring... so I tend to favor small colisseums). But you bring up some points, which I would like to answer. Please see my comments in red alongside yours.

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Well, let's see....

There's Rios himself, Robert Garcia, Rios' parents, the two corrupt judges...... and wait..... it appears Fenster also scored it for Rios. That would be a total of 7 people. Add a few close (and blind) friends in there, his wife (and/or girlfriend), and you'd be pushing what..... about 15-20 people that probably scored the fight for Rios.

Go figure.

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If Fenster had it for Rios then they must have gotten the decision right.:o

Anyone disgusted with the outcome should read and sign this petition, just takes 1 minute of your time

https://www.change.org/petitions/a-p...ke-boxing-fair

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Ok, let me say one thing about the "aggresion" factor. It's supposed to be effective aggresion. You can wade in... get peppered with shots... miss a few of your own, or get them blocked.... and you haven't done a damn thing. Are boxing judges such imbeciles that they can't tell effective aggresion from INeffective aggresion? Who cares that Rios was coming forward all night. He hardly, if ever, connected cleanly on Abril. Most of his shots were blocked, missed altogether, or were smothered by Abril. A blind chimpanzee on crack could've scored the fight better than ol' Curly, Larry, and Moe the other night.

So again.... no frigging way on Earth did Rios win that fight. The decision was outrageous, and the only two possible explanation are:

1. Two of the worst, most retarded boxing judges in the history of the sport.
2. Money exchanged hands.

End of story.

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No disrespect bro, but have you ever been ringside for a fight? The judges have the best view in the house. When you watch on TV you're at the mercy of TV directors. They can make whoever they want look the winner.

It may have looked like Rios lost on TV but the people with the best view saw him win. Trust me. If you watched that fight ringside like I didn't you would've made Rios the winner. Fact.

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As I first started posting here, I didn't like this Fenster guy.

But now, as I've read more posts of his, I realize that he's a comic genius. ;D

No, seriously. Good on you, mate. :cool:

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Originally Posted by TitoFan

Ok, let me say one thing about the "aggresion" factor. It's supposed to be effective aggresion. You can wade in... get peppered with shots... miss a few of your own, or get them blocked.... and you haven't done a damn thing. Are boxing judges such imbeciles that they can't tell effective aggresion from INeffective aggresion? Who cares that Rios was coming forward all night. He hardly, if ever, connected cleanly on Abril. Most of his shots were blocked, missed altogether, or were smothered by Abril. A blind chimpanzee on crack could've scored the fight better than ol' Curly, Larry, and Moe the other night.

So again.... no frigging way on Earth did Rios win that fight. The decision was outrageous, and the only two possible explanation are:

1. Two of the worst, most retarded boxing judges in the history of the sport.
2. Money exchanged hands.

End of story.

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No disrespect bro, but have you ever been ringside for a fight? The judges have the best view in the house. I would argue with that. Ringside, you're looking UP at the action, not necessarily the best angle. PLUS... you miss a lot of the action on the opposite side of the ring. Simple geometry. You're sitting below a level surface, which if the ring is big enough will obscure your view of the other side. When you watch on TV you're at the mercy of TV directors. They can make whoever they want look the winner. Personally I think you're giving the directors too much credit. I don't they're good enough to "skew" the viewing public in either direction. They're too busy trying to get the best shots and not screw up.

It may have looked like Rios lost on TV but the people with the best view saw him win. Trust me. If you watched that fight ringside like I didn't you would've made Rios the winner. Fact. Again you throw in that key word... "didn't". I don't get it. You didn't watch it at ringside either. What makes you so sure then that Rios won the fight?

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Honestly no... I've never been ringside for a fight. I've been to plenty of fights, and with pretty good seats (personally, I like to sit slightly above the ring... so I tend to favor small colisseums). But you bring up some points, which I would like to answer. Please see my comments in red alongside yours.

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This is getting off the topic, but I agree with you if you are in a small arena. In a bigger arena, sitting a little bit above often means you are far back too. In that case, I'd prefer to be closer and a little bit lower.