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Does technical boxing have its place
Because of the mma most officials are tolerant of dirty boxing among my favourite street fighters are Ricky Hatton and Roberto Duran.
Hatton likes to grab the right elbow or the torso and feed right uppercuts favourite move of mine. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EtAlLgEvVD4
Roberto Duran uses his forearms to create space another favourite of mine.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kaUrm26VQh8
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George elbows McFadden used his elbows as fists.mcfadden is credited with the saying be wary of uppercuts he might be throwing elbows.
Mike Tyson and the 5 Dirtiest Boxers of All Time | Bleacher Report
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fEw6b_B-2AA
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8h07R-P5Hfk
Lamon Brewster and the bee's knees! Lamon Brewster used his knees to disrupt the balance of his opponents.
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Evander "the headbutt" Holyfield beware of the fighter throwing hooks! He might be grabbing the back of your neck to bring you into the headbutt.
Throw a wild left hook grab the back of the opponents head and head butt.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uKn-Iepr0LY
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Bernard "rabbit punches" Hopkins jab your way inside tie the opponent up and throw fast punches to the stomach.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ5IBrHaswg
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Al Ettore the shoulder puncher one the dirtiest fighters to come out of philly. Instead of going out like most fighters Al backed up than charged in with his shoulders.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ5IBrHaswg
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All great fighters, have one thing in common, its called skill.
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Daniel Mendoza famed for his backhanded strikes used later by Muhammad Ali. The back handed strike is perhaps one of the hardest strikes to see, and an illegal blow.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ5IBrHaswg
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All great fighters, have one thing in common, its called skill.
I don't know if I believe in skill or how to apply it, if skill is balance than foot work can offset it. what I do believe in power and durability. Care to define skill?
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Perfect the coordination, of the CNS.
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How does footwork offset balance? How can you have good footwork without good balance?
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How does footwork offset balance? How can you have good footwork without good balance?
Grey someone quick on his feet isn't going to let you stay standing for very long. He's gonna have you moving around.
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If you have good balance moving is not a problem
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If you have good balance moving is not a problem
Yes! Grey I agree, the difference is if the opponent runs in behind the right hand that should offset balance.
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Glen Johnson the man who ran in behind the right hand. Evander Holyfield used this as well to offset a well balanced Mike Tyson https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G_fM3OIbua4
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bK-mB7CY_8w
Throw the right hand and sprint in behind it and drop your head down.
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Jack Johnson used various clinches one hitting after the clinch, and clinch to stop punches from happening what is known as punches in bunches followed by clinches.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=34MHPHygSGE
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When you talk about MMA, your not talking about traditional boxing. I was seeing MMA type fighting in bars and alley ways back in the 50's. For the most part, the rules of MMA are that there really are no rules. It's great fighting in the real world and on the battlefield, it's now a big money maker and the biggest show in town. That being said, I do recognize that an MMA fighter has to be in better shape, take more dangerous blows, and needs to master fighting elements from all martial arts.
traditional boxing requires an understanding of tactical boxing, master being a tactical boxer and you will become a dangerous fighter. I notice spectators do not understand a tactical fighter and wrongfully boo him for seemingly being to cautious, slow, or backing away and circling to much. Like a chess match, any wrong move or not having a variety of plans to change up, will cost a fighter.
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This one originally put in here by @StrictlySP is worth watching : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rq8iKZnRyc
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Well I guess He picks his shots and has the power to make up for his cowardice.
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Well I guess He picks his shots and has the power to make up for his cowardice.
Explain that.
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Well I guess He picks his shots and has the power to make up for his cowardice.
Explain that.
He throws 40 yard passes.
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Well I guess He picks his shots and has the power to make up for his cowardice.
Explain that.
He throws 40 yard passes.
Which means?
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Well I guess He picks his shots and has the power to make up for his cowardice.
Explain that.
He throws 40 yard passes.
Like Weldon who teaches fighters to throw from unbalanced stances then T off. So does Roman punch from unorthodox angles and his balance is unsteady.
Which means?
Like Weldon who teaches fighters to throw from unbalanced stances then T off. So does Roman punch from unorthodox angles and his balance is unsteady.
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Can you provide an example of Kenny Weldon instructing to throw punches while off-balance?
Is Gonzalez only unsteady while punching from angles, or is he generally wobbly?
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Can you provide an example of Kenny Weldon instructing to throw punches while off-balance?
Is Gonzalez only unsteady while punching from angles, or is he generally wobbly?
Kenny Weldon tells you to take a step forward with just one foot and go under the airmpit and punch a wide arm hook to the body. Gonzalez is a punch drunken monkey style fighter.
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Can you provide an example of Kenny Weldon instructing to throw punches while off-balance?
Is Gonzalez only unsteady while punching from angles, or is he generally wobbly?
Kenny Weldon tells you to take a step forward with just one foot and go under the airmpit and punch a wide arm hook to the body. Gonzalez is a punch drunken monkey style fighter.
Go under who's armpit? With what? Can you show where he explains that?
A punch drunken monkey style? Oh. Does anyone else have this style? Or is Roman Gonzalez the only punch drunken monkey boxing today?
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Can you provide an example of Kenny Weldon instructing to throw punches while off-balance?
Is Gonzalez only unsteady while punching from angles, or is he generally wobbly?
Kenny Weldon tells you to take a step forward with just one foot and go under the airmpit and punch a wide arm hook to the body. Gonzalez is a punch drunken monkey style fighter.
Go under who's armpit? With what? Can you show where he explains that?
A punch drunken monkey style? Oh. Does anyone else have this style? Or is Roman Gonzalez the only punch drunken monkey boxing today?
Kenny trained a Russian who fought a hard punching fighter who would have ko'd him in a normal fight. So Weldon made a number of adjustments first being said that he told Sergei that he wasn't strong enough to fight or go toe to toe with the his opponent. The examples were the rasslin puppies who inorder to get inside of their opponent they had to go underneath their Armpits.
To do this you've got to fight what Kenny call "tall" or getting down to the eye levels of your opponent once at their eye level you should be in a long stance from this stance the weight is over the rear leg. That rear leg then pushes the lead foot forward allowing you to go even further downward and under your opponent.
Gonzalez style of fighting is movement without control, this makes him dangerous since he is a ko artist and could knock out an opponent with an open glove. There's nothing esoteric with his style of fighting
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Which fight was that? And where does that involve being taught to punch while off balance? Don't you always vie for the inside punching position? You fight tall by getting under your opponent? From a wide stance? With the weight to the rear?
Gonzalez is an off balance punch drunk monkey that can score a KO with an open glove? Really?
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Which fight was that? And where does that involve being taught to punch while off balance? Don't you always vie for the inside punching position? You fight tall by getting under your opponent? From a wide stance? With the weight to the rear?
Gonzalez is an off balance punch drunk monkey that can score a KO with an open glove? Really?
most ppl are lumbering plodders and trodders, while Gonzalez is so quick on his feet and hands that we've nothing to learn from him?
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Which fight was that? And where does that involve being taught to punch while off balance? Don't you always vie for the inside punching position? You fight tall by getting under your opponent? From a wide stance? With the weight to the rear?
Gonzalez is an off balance punch drunk monkey that can score a KO with an open glove? Really?
most ppl are lumbering plodders and trodders, while Gonzalez is so quick on his feet and hands that we've nothing to learn from him?
You tell me. I'm just trying to keep up.
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Well I guess He picks his shots and has the power to make up for his cowardice.
No one who steps into the ring is a coward.
Also all of your future comments dont line up with any of this videos tactics at all.
If you think they do in the least;
Please prove it to be so and tell us the minute and second mark of the video and copy and paste any one of your analysis that you typed (in your list of wrongs) right next to it so we can all see.
Cheers.
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Andre
Well I guess He picks his shots and has the power to make up for his cowardice.
No one who steps into the ring is a coward.
Also all of your future comments dont line up with any of this videos tactics at all.
If you think they do in the least;
Please prove it to be so and tell us the minute and second mark of the video and copy and paste any one of your analysis that you typed (in your list of wrongs) right next to it so we can all see.
Cheers.
But why does he move his feet? Why can't he just stay planted in front of his opponent and outwork him, like Deontay Wilder? Btw these are real questions I've been asked by Olympic boxing coaches, one coach stated top Olympians don't move their feet!
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red fox
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Andre
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red fox
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Originally Posted by
Andre
Well I guess He picks his shots and has the power to make up for his cowardice.
No one who steps into the ring is a coward.
Also all of your future comments dont line up with any of this videos tactics at all.
If you think they do in the least;
Please prove it to be so and tell us the minute and second mark of the video and copy and paste any one of your analysis that you typed (in your list of wrongs) right next to it so we can all see.
Cheers.
But why does he move his feet? Why can't he just stay planted in front of his opponent and outwork him, like Deontay Wilder? Btw these are real questions I've been asked by Olympic boxing coaches, one coach stated top Olympians don't move their feet!
Sounds like you miss heard him.Or he was talking about a certain moment in time only. Like when two warriors go at it totally squared up and just belt it out that doesnt happen in Armature Olympic bouts.Even with pros as warriors that is never the case for long though one will either shift his center line or his feet, usually both for combined avoidance and advantage which is great boxing. What else is great boxing is making someone turn to look where you have gone to and thus walk them onto a punch try doing that without your feet. Actually try doing anything without your feet. Even better try it without your toes being involved.
He may of meant the feet dont move out of position nose to nose and yet through slight turns of the feet and subtle shifts one can move their center line around deflecting on one side and increasing power on the other.
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Andre
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red fox
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Originally Posted by
Andre
Well I guess He picks his shots and has the power to make up for his cowardice.
No one who steps into the ring is a coward.
Also all of your future comments dont line up with any of this videos tactics at all.
If you think they do in the least;
Please prove it to be so and tell us the minute and second mark of the video and copy and paste any one of your analysis that you typed (in your list of wrongs) right next to it so we can all see.
Cheers.
But why does he move his feet? Why can't he just stay planted in front of his opponent and outwork him, like Deontay Wilder? Btw these are real questions I've been asked by Olympic boxing coaches, one coach stated top Olympians don't move their feet!
Like Wilder did against Stiverne and Molina? Do you mean Olympians like Lomanchenko that don't move their feet?
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greynotsoold
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red fox
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Andre
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Originally Posted by
red fox
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Originally Posted by
Andre
Well I guess He picks his shots and has the power to make up for his cowardice.
No one who steps into the ring is a coward.
Also all of your future comments dont line up with any of this videos tactics at all.
If you think they do in the least;
Please prove it to be so and tell us the minute and second mark of the video and copy and paste any one of your analysis that you typed (in your list of wrongs) right next to it so we can all see.
Cheers.
But why does he move his feet? Why can't he just stay planted in front of his opponent and outwork him, like Deontay Wilder? Btw these are real questions I've been asked by Olympic boxing coaches, one coach stated top Olympians don't move their feet!
Like Wilder did against Stiverne and Molina? Do you mean Olympians like Lomanchenko that don't move their feet?
Well I guess that Gonzalez strikes when he's off of his feet! There's no order or structure to it, it's all jazz when compared to classical boxing.
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Andre
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red fox
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Originally Posted by
Andre
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Originally Posted by
red fox
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Originally Posted by
Andre
Well I guess He picks his shots and has the power to make up for his cowardice.
No one who steps into the ring is a coward.
Also all of your future comments dont line up with any of this videos tactics at all.
If you think they do in the least;
Please prove it to be so and tell us the minute and second mark of the video and copy and paste any one of your analysis that you typed (in your list of wrongs) right next to it so we can all see.
Cheers.
But why does he move his feet? Why can't he just stay planted in front of his opponent and outwork him, like Deontay Wilder? Btw these are real questions I've been asked by Olympic boxing coaches, one coach stated top Olympians don't move their feet!
Sounds like you miss heard him.Or he was talking about a certain moment in time only. Like when two warriors go at it totally squared up and just belt it out that doesnt happen in Armature Olympic bouts.Even with pros as warriors that is never the case for long though one will either shift his center line or his feet, usually both for combined avoidance and advantage which is great boxing. What else is great boxing is making someone turn to look where you have gone to and thus walk them onto a punch try doing that without your feet. Actually try doing anything without your feet. Even better try it without your toes being involved.
He may of meant the feet dont move out of position nose to nose and yet through slight turns of the feet and subtle shifts one can move their center line around deflecting on one side and increasing power on the other.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YqOJp9Wmayo Fighting in the phone booth.
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Gonzalez is a cowardly punch drunk monkey with poor balance yet he can score a KO with an open glove? While throwing 40 yard passes?
Gibberish.
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Gonzalez is a cowardly punch drunk monkey with poor balance yet he can score a KO with an open glove? While throwing 40 yard passes?
Gibberish.
Greys the more contact with the floor the better the stability, which is why amateur coaches don't want you moving about. Keep your planted and measured bend your knees to defend against body punches, stance is your gait. Rest your hands on both sides of your chin this is your defense against head shots, lifting the elbows rapidly throwing straight punches.
As far as Gonzalez goes he throws long punches that could take the head of a bull off. I guess he sees his opponent with a pair of big tits and big lips, and then does the two-step dance. I can't come up with out anyother answer as to why a power punch should move his feet.
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You are supposed to stand with both feet flat on the floor, knees bent, hands by your chin, elbows sticking straight out...and you are supposed to fight like that?
Really?
Your "national team " "coaches " told you that?
Really?
Just noticed the Mayweather video. That has what to do with what? It is virtually opposite of what you are describing here. In fact we spent weeks here with you railing against what he does there.