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Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
Let's be realistic. Is this clown, the IBF CHAMPION, and self proclaimed, "#1 p4p fighter in the world", even worthy of a top 20 spot. Let's examine this a bit.
The definitely above Judah list: (no particular order)
1-Klitschko
2-Toney
3-Tarver
4-Calzaghe
5-Taylor
6-Winky
7-Karmazin
8-Mosley
9-Hatton
10-Cotto
11-Margarito
12-PBF
13-Hopkins
14-Corrales
15-Castillo
16-Barrera
17-Morales
18-Pacquiao
19-JMM
20-Juan Diaz
Then there's the MAYBE higher than Judah list.
1-the guy that beat JMM
2-Zahir Raheem
3-Lacy
4-Glen Johnson
5-Vargas
6-Rocky Juarez
7-Rahman.
8-Ouma
Even SaltheButcher has to admit this makes sense.
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
I can't front. You earned yourself a CC with that one. Good argument.
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
There is noooo way,he is P4P top 20,CC. You also missed out on Arce,Calderon,Pongsaklek etc etc. I have never been a Judah fan,he has power(over rated@147),speed,no chin,nor heart,nor courage nor focus and cannot take basic instructions from the corner. I have never rated him highly nor will I ever. He did his best for 4 rounds against Floyd but that was a combination of Floyd's own tactical thinking and Judah's activity.And to think he proclaims to be the best fighter in the world?! Oh and did I mention that he is a classless jackass??
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
The only person with two straight defeats that should be in the top 20 p4p is B-Hop
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
Maybe, maybe not.. Your first list also includes other's who shouldn't be in the top 20, imo.. such as Toney, Mosley, Karmazin, Juan Diaz.. Id say if you replaced those with the fighters The Game named then it would be more reasonable, there are several lower weight fighters who should be breaking the top 10 aboutnow, imo.. Calderon, Arce, Viloria..
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
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Originally Posted by p4pking
Maybe, maybe not.. Your first list also includes other's who shouldn't be in the top 20, imo.. such as Toney, Mosley, Karmazin, Juan Diaz.. Id say if you replaced those with the fighters The Game named then it would be more reasonable, there are several lower weight fighters who should be breaking the top 10 aboutnow, imo.. Calderon, Arce, Viloria..
CC,finalllly someone else who notices the little big guys!!1
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Nightmare
Let's be realistic. Is this clown, the IBF CHAMPION, and self proclaimed, "#1 p4p fighter in the world", even worthy of a top 20 spot. Let's examine this a bit.
The definitely above Judah list: (no particular order)
1-Klitschko
2-Toney
3-Tarver
4-Calzaghe
5-Taylor
6-Winky
7-Karmazin
8-Mosley
9-Hatton
10-Cotto
11-Margarito
12-PBF
13-Hopkins
14-Corrales
15-Castillo
16-Barrera
17-Morales
18-Pacquiao
19-JMM
20-Juan Diaz
Then there's the MAYBE higher than Judah list.
1-the guy that beat JMM
2-Zahir Raheem
3-Lacy
4-Glen Johnson
5-Vargas
6-Rocky Juarez
7-Rahman.
8-Ouma
Even SaltheButcher has to admit this makes sense.
You put Lacy on your MABYE list but not a boxer as Kessler who never lost a single round in his pro career? ???
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
You put Lacy, vargas and Rocky Juarez on the list??? I don't think I need to say anything further ;D
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
No starr. Did you read the entire post? Lacy, Vargas and Juarez were on the MAYBE list, not the definite list.
And I live in NYC. I honestly have never seen Kessler fight so thats why he didnt list him. If you say he deserves it, it just strengthens my case against Judah.
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
Do you mean "if they win their next fights" list. because Vargas, and Juarez would be on the p4p list if they won their next fights
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
Agreed. When your next opponent is Barrera or Mosley, and you beat them, you go onto the DEFINITE list.
But the point is, with all his talk, Judah is not even in the top 20 p4p. Man I wish I could send this list to him!
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
I wouldn't put Vargas on the P4P list if he won his next fight and if MAB wins,he makes strong claim for 2nd spot I think?
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
I think you can argue this list from No. 3 down, but even if MAB beats Juarez, he cant jump over Winky or PBF.
And if Winky wins, you're talking about wins over Mosley twice, Trinidad and Taylor. There'd be a strong case for him as no. 1.
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
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Originally Posted by Mr. Nightmare
No starr. Did you read the entire post? Lacy, Vargas and Juarez were on the MAYBE list, not the definite list.
And I live in NYC. I honestly have never seen Kessler fight so thats why he didnt list him. If you say he deserves it, it just strengthens my case against Judah.
C Click, that is a fair case if you never saw Kessler, but already one year ago maxboxing putted Kessler on their p4p top25 ;-D
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
Judah shouldn't even be top 50.
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
IMO at his best Judah is more skilled than alot of the top p4p guys.
He's better in terms of skill, speed, and power than
about 9 guys on your top 20 list... Does he always show it? No, but if he fought like he did against Floyd all the time he would be in the top 15 p4p easily... There is a reason he was so highly regarded when he was younger.
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
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Originally Posted by Taeth
IMO at his best Judah is more skilled than alot of the top p4p guys.
He's better in terms of skill, speed, and power than
about 9 guys on your top 20 list... Does he always show it? No, but if he fought like he did against Floyd all the time he would be in the top 15 p4p easily... There is a reason he was so highly regarded when he was younger.
Agreed
Zab I think alot of the time Zabs boxing is misinterpreted in the fact he is a bit of a idiot. But take away his personna and he is a very gifted fighter...
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
Yeah, if he focused, always kept his hands up, stopped sticking his head out, making stupid faces at his opponents, and a bunch of other stupid little things. . . . . he would be a great fighter. His problem is he's great in spurts. He's very inconsistent.
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
Zab should keep his hands up like you said. he is slick but he'd be better served to keep his hands up. He did it against Floyd more often then not but he needs to do it more.
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
I personally don't even think he needs to keep his hands up... He just needs to stop being so cocky when he has his hands down, and try to look special. Even Roy who was trying to show boat for his friends in his prime was knocked down by Dou Valle of all people, and nobody in their right would tell Roy to keep his hands up. Zab just needs to stay focused.
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
It's simple.
NO WAY.
He has lost his last two fights! Surely you can't consider him in the elite P4P level when the guy hasn't won this year and lost to a journeyman. What has he done? Sure he has skills but his accomplishments...well he doesn't have many. I mean, let's look at his last 11 fights. Aside from Spinks and a VERY close decision versus Corley (I thought it was a draw but I don't have a problem with Judah winning), he hasn't beat anybody! Not only has he not beat anybody but he struggled mightily (that's an understatement) with a slow over the hill Raphael Pineda. Then there was the Baldomir, Mayweather and Spinks in the first fight. Then of course there was Tszyu.
Other then a Spinks win over a year ago, and a Corley win 2 years ago, he has done absolutely nothing. How can anyone justify him being top 20 P4P? Sure he has the skills to be top 20 P4P but he doesn't put them to use.
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
It's simple.
NO WAY.
He has lost his last two fights! Surely you can't consider him in the elite P4P level when the guy hasn't won this year
And yet he has Morales at 17 ;)
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
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Originally Posted by Starr
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
It's simple.
NO WAY.
He has lost his last two fights! Surely you can't consider him in the elite P4P level when the guy hasn't won this year
And yet he has Morales at 17 ;)
That was only one point ;) Surely you wouldn't compare Morales' accomplishments and quality of opposition to that of Judah's?
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
Not opposition.
BUT Morales ahs lost 3 of his last 4 ;) He got beat by Barerra, so he gets a shot at Pacquiao(the guy that beat Barerra) ook ??? he makes the best of it and wins... and then loses his next 2 fights.
Comparing Zab's losses.
Well Zab lost to someone in Baldomir that not many people(except me) thought he'd have trouble with.
Then Zab was expected to get knocked out by PBF and went the distance losing.
Morales lost in a more one sided fashion to Zahir Raheem to rounds to 2. Which is worse then Zab's 7 rounds to 5 ;)
Also Morales(the iron chin) whom nobody thought would or could ever be "stopped' gets stopped in his next loss by Pacquiao.
So you tell me who had a worse one ;)
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
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Originally Posted by Starr
Not opposition.
BUT Morales ahs lost 3 of his last 4 ;) He got beat by Barerra, so he gets a shot at Pacquiao(the guy that beat Barerra) ook ??? he makes the best of it and wins... and then loses his next 2 fights.
Comparing Zab's losses.
Well Zab lost to someone in Baldomir that not many people(except me) thought he'd have trouble with.
Then Zab was expected to get knocked out by PBF and went the distance losing.
Morales lost in a more one sided fashion to Zahir Raheem to rounds to 2. Which is worse then Zab's 7 rounds to 5 ;)
Also Morales(the iron chin) whom nobody thought would or could ever be "stopped' gets stopped in his next loss by Pacquiao.
So you tell me who had a worse one ;)
You forgot to mention Morales beating one of the top P4P fighters in the world in Pacquiao ;) Morales will always get the benefit of the doubt because even in being KO'd, Morales was very competitve. And I had Zab winning by SD over Baldomir in the prediction contest so I don't think you're the only one ;) Morales will ALWAYS get the benefit of the doubt over Judah because he has had the better career.
Either way the point is moot, I wouldn't place either in the to 20 P4P and noone should but I think he DEFINITELY gets in above Judah.
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
No way Judah is top 20.
He is a smack talking glass chin loser
only sal would disagree
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Re: Honestly. Is Judah in the top 20 p4p?
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Originally Posted by SecondRoundKO
It's simple.
NO WAY.
He has lost his last two fights! Surely you can't consider him in the elite P4P level when the guy hasn't won this year and lost to a journeyman. What has he done? Sure he has skills but his accomplishments...well he doesn't have many. I mean, let's look at his last 11 fights. Aside from Spinks and a VERY close decision versus Corley (I thought it was a draw but I don't have a problem with Judah winning), he hasn't beat anybody! Not only has he not beat anybody but he struggled mightily (that's an understatement) with a slow over the hill Raphael Pineda. Then there was the Baldomir, Mayweather and Spinks in the first fight. Then of course there was Tszyu.
Other then a Spinks win over a year ago, and a Corley win 2 years ago, he has done absolutely nothing. How can anyone justify him being top 20 P4P? Sure he has the skills to be top 20 P4P but he doesn't put them to use.
Cc bro,great points and to compare him to the great Erik Morales is an insult. Morales is an all time great and in beating Pacman alone,he has bettered Judah's achievements in his entire career.I'd agree Secound Round bro,I would not have EM in the top 20 but to compare his losses to Judah's?and I do NOT recall Zab winning 5 rounds against Floyd?! and Morales is still an iron chin,he went down to BODY SHOTS and his legs had gone,like Raheems against Juarez remember? Seriously,bringin EM into it ::** >:mad
