MMA bigger than Boxing?

Truth. You can thank Muhammad Ali, Antonio Inoki, Kevin James, Forest Griffen, Bobby Southworth, Stephan Bonnar, Joe Rogan, and Spike TV.

Ali vs. Inoki = First ever MMA fight - Boxer vs. Pro Wrestler

That basically started MMA in North America.

UFC started out in '93 completely barbaric, with no holds barred. Then, they evolved into a more sanctioned and organized fed, with rounds, and certain rules.

Mike Tyson goes crazy, bringing the boxing world to the main stream once more. Then, he beats his wife, goes on Oprah, no one cares about him anymore. Boxing falls out of the mainstream.

Meanwhile, Pride FC is rockin the S*** in Japan. Sweet fights, awesome fighters, all fighting in what's quite similar to a boxing ring.

Fox attempts to bring boxing into the mainstream by airing "The Next Great Champ," but since FOX sucks at ratings, no one watches it. It gets cancelled.

Then UFC decides to make a reality TV show. TNN decides to turn into Spike TV. Since Spike is considered to be the first network for men, they had no problem putting MMA on cable, and brings it to the main stream. People see Bobby Southworth cut 20 pounds in one day, and then they're immediately hooked to the show.

Boxing makes an attempt to hit the mainstream by airing the Contender, however, NBC decides to give it a terrible time slot, and it fails in Ratings.

UFC airs a full event on Cable TV, and promotes the S*** out of UFC 52. More and more fans are hooked after seeing Stephan vs. Forest.

MMA gets legalized in California. Their having en event at the Staples Center, home to some of the greatest boxing matches of all time.

Now, people are more familiar with the name Chuck Lidel than Jermaine Taylor.

It's a mad mad mad mad mad mad mad world.

I do know I posted a UFC event results here. And it got over 2000 views in less then 2 days. That has to be a record or something.

UFC Bores ME :o

I saw Ali vs. Inoki on closed circuit at the old Boston Garden. It was an awful fight (if you could even call it a fight). Inoki laid on his back in the ring and kicked at Ali's legs for 15 rounds. There was some stipulation that prevented Inoki from going in for a takedown, but I don't remember what it was. Chuck Wepner vs. Andre the Giant was on the same card and was much more entertaining. I like MMA, but I don't see fighters making the kind of money top level boxers make for fights. At least not in the near future.

Boxing is getting a massive boost, thanks to the Latino market. This WWF/MMA thing has been trying to take off for years, in fact did they not use Mike Tyson (when he was banned, afther the bite), to advertise it? That was the last time it make the headlines...

Ali vs Inoki was awful and had rules which din't make any sense because it was supposed to be staged, with ali taking a dive to lead to a rematch which he'd win, but in the time leading up to the fight he decided he couldn't go through with it and so they made up some rules on the spot. Ali actually suffered blood clots in his leg from getting kicked over and over in the same place for 45 minutes.

The WWF used Tyson in 1998, he helped promote wrestlemania, which drew 740,000 buys. I don't think he's ever done any MMA, although there was talk of it at one point. He was rumoured to be fighting Bob Sapp, who is a faily poor fighter but is a massive celebrity in Japan, but it all fell through.

I love both and I do find that I'm watching more MMA, but I think thats b/c its on TV more and its PPV's are cheaper. MMA has a ways to go before its top tier (UFC/Pride) are really competing on the same scale as championship boxing. That being said its making huge strides, and MMA in Asia is enormous.

MMA will never be bigger than boxing..when you want to know the answer ask youself who gets paid more? Boxers or mixed martial artist? they should use that skill on the silver screen in hollywood and make way more money....

i myself like boxing much more

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I saw Ali vs. Inoki on closed circuit at the old Boston Garden. It was an awful fight (if you could even call it a fight). Inoki laid on his back in the ring and kicked at Ali's legs for 15 rounds. There was some stipulation that prevented Inoki from going in for a takedown, but I don't remember what it was. Chuck Wepner vs. Andre the Giant was on the same card and was much more entertaining. I like MMA, but I don't see fighters making the kind of money top level boxers make for fights. At least not in the near future.

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Bullshat! :o You gotta be kiddin me man. I have seen Andre the Giant's biography and have heard of the Ali vs Japanese wrestler thing but not THIS! Who won? Did this fight really take place?

MMA can win the popularity contest, the bigger the sport the more corruption.

In Japan it's already bigger.

Pride is a huge draw there, more money than UFC times2.

Now with the recent ban on MMA being lifted in California, I think that it will blow up.

If anything, this will force the governing bodies and promoters to arrange more of the matches that the fans want to see. Otherwise, they will lose some marketshare to MMA.

In other words, Don King-onomics may soon go the way of the do-do bird......that or boxing will eventually have to take a back seat to MMA.

Still love boxing but MMA is a close second for me. Between the two I rarely go a weekend without an exciting fight.

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MMA will never be bigger than boxing..when you want to know the answer ask youself who gets paid more? Boxers or mixed martial artist? they should use that skill on the silver screen in hollywood and make way more money....

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I STRONGLY disagree. UFC has established a HUGE fan base over the past year. They're moving on to bigger and more popular venues. UFC Unleashed and the Ultimate Fighter are Spike TV's biggest shows. It's only a matter of time before they start making nearly as much, although, I think boxing should get more, since its a WAY more dangerous sport.

Pride pretty much runs the show in Japan. They just recently had Mark Hunt vs. The Japanese Cruiserweight Champion as the main event to one of their shows. It was insanely good. Boxer vs. MMA striker. They get paid a lot more in Pride than they do in UFC. It's a much better promotion. They have better fighters, and better fights, which is why it's so big in Japan. They rake in huge live audiences, much bigger than UFC.

As for the Silver Screen remark, there already is an actual MMA movie. It's called No Rules. Randy Couture, and Frank Shamrock are in it. Although the acting is terrible, consider it to be the first step to some of the greatest movies of all time.

I like both a lot, but boxing is what got me into MMA and boxing is still my clear favorite

I wouldn't doubt that Pride is bigger than boxing in Japan, and I guess its possible that MMA could become bigger than boxing as a whole, but boxing is still better IMO.

Hulk, it did happen. Wepner got in a couple of shots before Andre picked him up and threw him out of the ring where he was counted out. If I remember right the fight was staged in an outdoor stadium (Shea in NY?). I do recall the ring was set up in a ballpark because Wepner landed somewhere near the pitcher's mound. I haven't done any research, but there has to be some mention on it on a website called "Obsessed with Wrestling." I'm going to check right now.

June 25, 1976 at Chicago Stadium Andre won by count out over Chuck Wepner. Don't know why I thought it was in a ballpark. It was 30 years ago, and my memory has faded a bit since then.

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Yea try doing it!!!!!! When you box you only have to be concerned with the other fighters hand,when you are in the cage you are worried about the hands,feet,knees,elbows getting taking down and pounded or subbed trust me I do it its not boring!!

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MMA will never be bigger than boxing..when you want to know the answer ask youself who gets paid more? Boxers or mixed martial artist? they should use that skill on the silver screen in hollywood and make way more money....

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I STRONGLY disagree. UFC has established a HUGE fan base over the past year. They're moving on to bigger and more popular venues. UFC Unleashed and the Ultimate Fighter are Spike TV's biggest shows. It's only a matter of time before they start making nearly as much, although, I think boxing should get more, since its a WAY more dangerous sport.

Pride pretty much runs the show in Japan. They just recently had Mark Hunt vs. The Japanese Cruiserweight Champion as the main event to one of their shows. It was insanely good. Boxer vs. MMA striker. They get paid a lot more in Pride than they do in UFC. It's a much better promotion. They have better fighters, and better fights, which is why it's so big in Japan. They rake in huge live audiences, much bigger than UFC.

As for the Silver Screen remark, there already is an actual MMA movie. It's called No Rules. Randy Couture, and Frank Shamrock are in it. Although the acting is terrible, consider it to be the first step to some of the greatest movies of all time.

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I didn't mean try to win the academy award..i'm just saying that they could make some action movies....I like UFC..in fact you could agree that you or I and anybody else on here, must love or like fighting wheter watching it or competing in it...but seriously..mma,K1,ufc, none of it will ever surpass boxing....boxing has too much history behind it...too much of a headstart...it will take something like don king or bob arum to promote one of the fighters and put them on a major boxing undercard or something....other than that it will never generate the kind of money that boxing does...it's seen as bar fighting...not by me or any other real fighting fan...but to the general public and that won't make money

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MMA will never be bigger than boxing..when you want to know the answer ask youself who gets paid more? Boxers or mixed martial artist? they should use that skill on the silver screen in hollywood and make way more money....

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I STRONGLY disagree. UFC has established a HUGE fan base over the past year. They're moving on to bigger and more popular venues. UFC Unleashed and the Ultimate Fighter are Spike TV's biggest shows. It's only a matter of time before they start making nearly as much, although, I think boxing should get more, since its a WAY more dangerous sport.

Pride pretty much runs the show in Japan. They just recently had Mark Hunt vs. The Japanese Cruiserweight Champion as the main event to one of their shows. It was insanely good. Boxer vs. MMA striker. They get paid a lot more in Pride than they do in UFC. It's a much better promotion. They have better fighters, and better fights, which is why it's so big in Japan. They rake in huge live audiences, much bigger than UFC.

As for the Silver Screen remark, there already is an actual MMA movie. It's called No Rules. Randy Couture, and Frank Shamrock are in it. Although the acting is terrible, consider it to be the first step to some of the greatest movies of all time.

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I didn't mean try to win the academy award..i'm just saying that they could make some action movies....I like UFC..in fact you could agree that you or I and anybody else on here, must love or like fighting wheter watching it or competing in it...but seriously..mma,K1,ufc, none of it will ever surpass boxing....boxing has too much history behind it...too much of a headstart...it will take something like don king or bob arum to promote one of the fighters and put them on a major boxing undercard or something....other than that it will never generate the kind of money that boxing does...it's seen as bar fighting...not by me or any other real fighting fan...but to the general public and that won't make money

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Last I checked, when boxing originated basically from MMA. Back when John L. Sullivan was the champ, and they fought in the fucking woods becuase it was illegal. They were allowed take downs, and submissions. They fought with no gloves. Those who participad were considered brutal and barbaric. Sure people see UFC as streetfighting. And thats exactly what people thought about boxing, until it was legalized and given structure.

I'm not saying boxing doesn't have the greatest history of all sports. It does. But who's to say that 100 years from now that MMA will be looked at the way we look at late 1800's boxing now? Who's to say that Randy Couture wont be considered the James Tunney of MMA 100 years from now?

The world evolves. Sports evolved. There will be no need for boxing. We've evolved into better, and more technical combat sports. I'm not saying the sport of boxing is useless. I love it, equally to how much I love MMA.

I love the sport of boxing much more than MMA, but my friends are much bigger MMA fans. MMA is fairly new to the pop culture world, and its easier to make fights. As the sport ages and becomes more professional, MMA will probably we bigger than boxing.

Ever watch Ultimate Fighter? That crap is huge.

I have been thinking about this a lot lately...

Well, my first love is boxing. But let me tell you, MMA is marketed far more effectively, and is run much better.

I cannot even recall the last time I saw a boxer on the front of a cereal box, or advertising some other product on tv here in Canada. In fact I can't remember a time period. On the other hand, MMA fighters are getting some major endorsement deals.

MMA is run more like a league... like a basketball league. The best often collide. Dana White of UFC does a good job in making the best clash in the octagon. There is only ONE title which we all wish was the case in boxing. For the most part, it is run as a class act. I personally haven't seen any disgusting tactics used. In fact, I can't recall seeing an intentional low blow/foul.

I find the refs do an excellent job in MMA, and they have much more to look for.

I have found the judging to be more fare... not so much corruption.

PPV's are usually cheaper, and you get more fights for your dollar... and usually most of the fights are between good talent.

The move on Spike TV was brilliant. Most of my buddies don't have a clue of what is going on in boxing. However... they ALL watch ultimate fighter. And on thursdays there is a ton of UFC on Spike TV.

On Rogers Digital Cable there is a fight network that has some awesome K1, Pride, and Vale Tudo... the boxing they show is complete crap... like most free boxing. To people who turn into that station, they will definitely favour MMA over boxing.

I think the boxing world needs to tune into MMA's tactics... tactics that are based on the flaws of boxing today. Boxing needs to make some new changes. Because the next generation, such as my little brother who is 10 years old, has no reason to like boxing more than MMA.

I think if both entities continue on their current paths, and MMA has some history under its belt... boxing will take a back seat to MMA, or it will be on par with it.

I think the big thing is "It's big in Japan". MMA reached it's peak years ago...It' fill with old champions and disrespectful hacks/wannabes. Boxing will never be second to MMA ever, period, end of story.

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I think the big thing is "It's big in Japan". MMA reached it's peak years ago...It' fill with old champions and disrespectful hacks/wannabes. Boxing will never be second to MMA ever, period, end of story.

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F****** crazy much? How can you say that MMA is filled with hacks and wannabes? Chuck Lidel, Rich Franklin, GSP, Matt Hughes, Wanderlai Silva, Takurama Gomi, and Rampage Jackson are all prime fighters. Put them in a fight against ANY boxer and I guarantee you, the boxer will get murdered.'

Vitor Belfort = Top ten boxer AND Top ten mixed martial artist. He's a prime example of a non-hack/wannabe.

MMA didn't reach it's peak years ago. It's getting bigger and bigger. UFC is holding their next event in the STAPLES CENTER FOR CHRIST SAKE! That's history in the making, my friend.

The combat sport torch has been passed down.

EDIT: Funny thing. Harsh MMA fans accept boxing. However, harsh boxing fans don't accept MMA. Who's more stubborn?

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I think the big thing is "It's big in Japan". MMA reached it's peak years ago...It' fill with old champions and disrespectful hacks/wannabes. Boxing will never be second to MMA ever, period, end of story.

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F****** crazy much? How can you say that MMA is filled with hacks and wannabes? Chuck Lidel, Rich Franklin, GSP, Matt Hughes, Wanderlai Silva, Takurama Gomi, and Rampage Jackson are all prime fighters. Put them in a fight against ANY boxer and I guarantee you, the boxer will get murdered.'

Vitor Belfort = Top ten boxer AND Top ten mixed martial artist. He's a prime example of a non-hack/wannabe.

MMA didn't reach it's peak years ago. It's getting bigger and bigger. UFC is holding their next event in the STAPLES CENTER FOR CHRIST SAKE! That's history in the making, my friend.

The combat sport torch has been passed down.

EDIT: Funny thing. Harsh MMA fans accept boxing. However, harsh boxing fans don't accept MMA. Who's more stubborn?

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Of course in the octagon a MMA fighter would beat a boxer...but in the ring Matt hughes, gracie and all the rest of them would get torn to shreds by a boxer...

Also it's much easier to teach a boxer how to counter a few submission holds, and takedowns...

The top MMA fighter could train for ten years a he'd still get torn up in the ring by the whoever the best boxer is in his weight class...period...

And i think somebody said MMa is more tactical...that's not true at all...there's only two styles in MMA, UFC...Striking and Grapling.....if the striker can keep the submission artist away he wins....if the grappler get hold of the striker he usually wins...its a fairly simple strategy...and besides on the street if a boxer hit one of those guys they'd go down...85% of those guys can't take flush punches..esp the heavyweight and they aren't that accurate with there punches....i only watch UFC and MMA to learn new submission holds..other than that I'm at the boxing gym :)

I never said ring or octogan. I said fight. Put them in the middle of a feild with no foreign objects, I guarantee a Mixed Martial Artist would win.

Pride 31 - Mark Hunt - Great MMA striker vs. Yosuke Nishijima - former WBC cruiserweight champion.

Striker vs. Striker.

The result? MARK HUNT BY TKO DUE TO STRIKES!

Vitor Belfort used to be a top ranked boxer, AND a top ranked mixed martial artist AT THE SAME TIME

Joyce Gracie dominated boxers at the first UFC (no holds barred - basically street fighting) using nothing but the art of BJJ

As I said before. For most boxers, it's the only type of fighting they know. Their stance requires their (usually) left leg to be open for a takedown, but in the boxing ring, you don't need to worry about that.

Its just nonsense arguing who would win a street brawl. These are two completley different sports. Somebody on here said that MMA is just big in Japan and is dying out. Well, that is also nonsense.

To put it in simpler words, MMA is a more realistic way of fighting, as opposed to boxing, which is why I believe, the majority of the time, and MMArtist will beat a boxer in a brawl.

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Yea try doing it!!!!!! When you box you only have to be concerned with the other fighters hand,when you are in the cage you are worried about the hands,feet,knees,elbows getting taking down and pounded or subbed trust me I do it its not boring!!

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And you'll never become a good cage fighter until you respect boxing.

Watch Quinton "Rampage" Jackson. The man knows how to slip, block, and parry punches.

"you only have to be concerned with the other fighters hand"--Your Quote

Stupid, if you think that's what boxing is about. Learn from boxing, don't diss it, because in the end, Pride, K1, and UFC has borrowed and stolen the platform Professional Boxing has set throughout the 100 plus years boxing has been around.

Hardly any cage fighters know how to box properly and it shows. I have much respect for MMA fighters. You should show respect to Boxing Fighters. You'll learn more from it.

You don't need to be a boxer to be a good cage fighting.

Brazillian Jiu-Jitsu artist will manhandle any boxer.

JUST ASK BAS RUTTEN

I will say, that the striking today has originated from boxing. However, grappling and striking are two very different things.

All the cage fighters go to boxing gyms to work on their "striking"... and like i said before...if you took Bernard Hopkins and showed him a few takedown counters or submission breakers a task that would be far easier to learn, than teaching a caged fighter how to box....he'd destroy matt huges or gracie in a field....

In order to apply a submission hold you have get close...and if a boxer took a step to the side or back or whatever and delievered a bareknuckle shot the mma fighter would drop....period...

I remeber a few years ago Tank abbot was kicking the shit out of some dude that was supposed to be the best submission guy at the time..and TAnk beat his ass from the outside...until he fell.. then the guy applied the choke hold and won in the last round...

A boxer wouldn't have been out of shape like Tank....and the other guy wouldn't have taken that many shots from a true boxer....that fight would have ended quickly... and last but not least again..MMA will never be bigger than boxing...

Tiger J, ...

Did I ever say you NEED TO BE A BOXER in the MMA? No I didn't.

So post somewhere else where people will listen to your mindless babble.

Re-read my previous post again, then come back with a post.

Gyrokai: "And you'll never become a good cage fighter until you respect boxing"
I'm saying you don't need to respect it.

JonesJrMayweather:
Take down defense and submissions are a lot harder than 1+2=3. You have to learn boxing, Muay Thai, Kick Boxing, Wrestling, Jiu Jitsu. It's doen't limit you to only use two parts of your body.
The best Brazillian Jiu Jitsu artists aka "The Gracies" have been learning it since they were F****** 4 years old.

Boxing is a sport that has been developed throughout the past hundred years.

MMA only started developing in the early 1990's

Matt Hughes wasn't told when he was five years old that he was going to be the greatest UFC welterweight, simply because IT DIDN'T EXIST WHEN HE WAS THAT AGE

However, Roy Jones had been winning tournaments since he was six.

Give MMA one hundred years to develop, and place their fighters againt one of todays boxers.

Thats the only way it can be considered evenly matched.

In other words, its harder to learn boxing because it had a 100 year head start over MMA

And even with your "less and easier training than boxers," the would STILL rock the shit out of them.

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Gyrokai: "And you'll never become a good cage fighter until you respect boxing"
I'm saying you don't need to respect it.

JonesJrMayweather:
Take down defense and submissions are a lot harder than 1+2=3. You have to learn boxing, Muay Thai, Kick Boxing, Wrestling, Jiu Jitsu. It's doen't limit you to only use two parts of your body.
The best Brazillian Jiu Jitsu artists aka "The Gracies" have been learning it since they were F****** 4 years old.

Boxing is a sport that has been developed throughout the past hundred years.

MMA only started developing in the early 1990's

Matt Hughes wasn't told when he was five years old that he was going to be the greatest UFC welterweight, simply because IT DIDN'T EXIST WHEN HE WAS THAT AGE

However, Roy Jones had been winning tournaments since he was six.

Give MMA one hundred years to develop, and place their fighters againt one of todays boxers.

Thats the only way it can be considered evenly matched.

In other words, its harder to learn boxing because it had a 100 year head start over MMA

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Alright, I'm a little tired, but now were getting some where...

I wouldn't compare MMA's training with Boxing. Both have different ways of conditioning and levels of difficulty. Boxing's conditioning is much greater though, on the boxing professional championship level. Ken Shamrock even knows that taking blows and lasting 12 long rounds is crazy. Although, there are some MMA fighters with some EXCELLENT conditioning.

But I'll be bold enough to say that most MMA die hard fans disrespect Boxing. And perhaps most die hard Boxing fans disrespect MMA. Fair enough I suppose. But MMA fans sound so much like retards when they disrespect boxing, only because Boxing has so much history and knowledge that MMA fans will never understand. Ever hear the saying Sugar Ray Robinson forgot more about boxing than most current fighters will ever learn? ...

That is how much knowledge is in boxing. MMA has gotten smart over the years and taken from Boxing's respected Sport Professionalism rules. From rounds, to weight classes, to decision score cards, to the weigh-in hype, to ring card girls, to musical entrances of the fighters.

To hear disrespect from an MMA fight fan or fighter will only keep them ignorant about the world of fighting.
Learn from boxing, don't disrespect it.

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Gyrokai: "And you'll never become a good cage fighter until you respect boxing"
I'm saying you don't need to respect it.

JonesJrMayweather:
Take down defense and submissions are a lot harder than 1+2=3. You have to learn boxing, Muay Thai, Kick Boxing, Wrestling, Jiu Jitsu. It's doen't limit you to only use two parts of your body.
The best Brazillian Jiu Jitsu artists aka "The Gracies" have been learning it since they were F****** 4 years old.

Boxing is a sport that has been developed throughout the past hundred years.

MMA only started developing in the early 1990's

Matt Hughes wasn't told when he was five years old that he was going to be the greatest UFC welterweight, simply because IT DIDN'T EXIST WHEN HE WAS THAT AGE

However, Roy Jones had been winning tournaments since he was six.

Give MMA one hundred years to develop, and place their fighters againt one of todays boxers.

Thats the only way it can be considered evenly matched.

In other words, its harder to learn boxing because it had a 100 year head start over MMA

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Alright, I'm a little tired, but now were getting some where...

I wouldn't compare MMA's training with Boxing.  Both have different ways of conditioning and levels of difficulty.  Boxing's conditioning is much greater though, on the boxing professional championship level.  Ken Shamrock even knows that taking blows and lasting 12 long rounds is crazy.  Although, there are some MMA fighters with some EXCELLENT conditioning.

But I'll be bold enough to say that most MMA die hard fans disrespect Boxing.  And perhaps most die hard Boxing fans disrespect MMA.  Fair enough I suppose.  But MMA fans sound so much like retards when they disrespect boxing, only because Boxing has so much history and knowledge that MMA fans will never understand.  Ever hear the saying Sugar Ray Robinson forgot more about boxing than most current fighters will ever learn?  ...

That is how much knowledge is in boxing.  MMA has gotten smart over the years and taken from Boxing's respected Sport Professionalism rules.  From rounds, to weight classes, to decision score cards, to the weigh-in hype, to ring card girls, to musical entrances of the fighters.

To hear disrespect from an MMA fight fan or fighter will only keep them ignorant about the world of fighting.
Learn from boxing, don't disrespect it.

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I agree with you on most of those aspects. I understand that the skill of boxing used in actual boxing is far more than the boxing skill used in Mixed Martial Arts.

I enjoy sport Jiu Jitsu. I enjoy wrestling. I enjoy boxing. I like MMA because it brings all of that to the table.

I understand that when you're limited to using only two parts of your body to damage your opponent, you must develop more technique.  Therefor there is a lot of knowledge.

MMA divides the knowledge of all aspects equally and combines them into one.

I agree, for every retarded MMA fans may seem retarded, and most boxing fans are knowledgeable. Mainly because a lot of people tend to find it boring, and those who do, know nothing about it.

However, I think, the knowledgeable MMA fans all respect boxing, because boxing is just as essential to MMA as all other aspects.

I truely love MMA and Boxing. Despite what some may think, I used to love boxing more than MMA. I love the sport, and I love the history. I'm even making a boxing music video that I tend to post on this forum. I doubt any of you have seen any of my videos before, but I'm pretty much the best who ever lived. I love boxing, but I love MMA equally.

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Gyrokai: "And you'll never become a good cage fighter until you respect boxing"
I'm saying you don't need to respect it.

JonesJrMayweather:
Take down defense and submissions are a lot harder than 1+2=3. You have to learn boxing, Muay Thai, Kick Boxing, Wrestling, Jiu Jitsu. It's doen't limit you to only use two parts of your body.
The best Brazillian Jiu Jitsu artists aka "The Gracies" have been learning it since they were F****** 4 years old.

Boxing is a sport that has been developed throughout the past hundred years.

MMA only started developing in the early 1990's

Matt Hughes wasn't told when he was five years old that he was going to be the greatest UFC welterweight, simply because IT DIDN'T EXIST WHEN HE WAS THAT AGE

However, Roy Jones had been winning tournaments since he was six.

Give MMA one hundred years to develop, and place their fighters againt one of todays boxers.
Thats the only way it can be considered evenly matched.

In other words, its harder to learn boxing because it had a 100 year head start over MMA

And even with your "less and easier training than boxers," the would STILL rock the S*** out of them.

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First don't get me wrong...i love all types of fighting...i trained in taekwondo from age 6 to 18...then starting boxing at 19...so i learn from all types of fighting...but unfortunatley we all die so in a 100years we wont know anyway..so as it is now.. boxing is a much bigger sport and will continue to evolve..MMA will probably get a bigger audience..but if boxing continues to grow how can mma catch up?

boxing is going down hill these days

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I think the big thing is "It's big in Japan". MMA reached it's peak years ago...It' fill with old champions and disrespectful hacks/wannabes. Boxing will never be second to MMA ever, period, end of story.

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F****** crazy much? How can you say that MMA is filled with hacks and wannabes? Chuck Lidel, Rich Franklin, GSP, Matt Hughes, Wanderlai Silva, Takurama Gomi, and Rampage Jackson are all prime fighters. Put them in a fight against ANY boxer and I guarantee you, the boxer will get murdered.'

Vitor Belfort = Top ten boxer AND Top ten mixed martial artist. He's a prime example of a non-hack/wannabe.

MMA didn't reach it's peak years ago. It's getting bigger and bigger. UFC is holding their next event in the STAPLES CENTER FOR CHRIST SAKE! That's history in the making, my friend.

The combat sport torch has been passed down.

EDIT: Funny thing. Harsh MMA fans accept boxing. However, harsh boxing fans don't accept MMA. Who's more stubborn?

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What's Belfort's boxing record?

I don't know who's more stubborn, someone coming on a boxing forum to try and promote MMA or the fact that the person can't except that people on a boxing forum probably like boxing better.

And even with your "less and easier training than boxers," the would STILL rock the S*** out of them.
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most mma fighters throw the slopest punches and a boxer would see their mistakes, boxers have better hands and foot work and they kill a mma

Throwing and avoiding punches with 4 oz gloves and with boxing gloves is pretty different. I work out with a combatives instrucotr a couple of times a week. I usually concentrate on BJJ and grappling b/c I enjoy it more, but I also work combos on the mits, the heavy bag, speed bag and sparring. I've come to realize there is a big difference in boxing and striking. It takes more accuracy with 4 oz gloves and its much harder to defend. Plus getting hit flush with a 16oz glove and flush with a 4 oz is night and day. I think these differences is what causes "boxing" fans to view the punching of MMA fights as "sloppy" and having poor technique. I think its also is why "boxing" fans view some MMA fighters as having weak chins. There just isn't nearly as much science in striking as there is in boxing. One or two good flush shots usually spells the end in MMA, where as a boxer gets hit 10-30 times a round. Therefore a boxer needs alot more technique.

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Originally Posted by VanChilds

Throwing and avoiding punches with 4 oz gloves and with boxing gloves is pretty different. I work out with a combatives instrucotr a couple of times a week. I usually concentrate on BJJ and grappling b/c I enjoy it more, but I also work combos on the mits, the heavy bag, speed bag and sparring. I've come to realize there is a big difference in boxing and striking. It takes more accuracy with 4 oz gloves and its much harder to defend. Plus getting hit flush with a 16oz glove and flush with a 4 oz is night and day. I think these differences is what causes "boxing" fans to view the punching of MMA fights as "sloppy" and having poor technique. I think its also is why "boxing" fans view some MMA fighters as having weak chins. There just isn't nearly as much science in striking as there is in boxing. One or two good flush shots usually spells the end in MMA, where as a boxer gets hit 10-30 times a round. Therefore a boxer needs alot more technique.

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A boxer will be quicker with 4 0z gloves, and they shouldn't have a problem with technique, thats what a speed bag is for. A boxers punch will be more devastating with 40z gloves instead of 16oz.