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Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
Who would have won if Tyson hadn't got himself disqualified ?
Holyfield was ahead after first two rounds, clinching and butting once again and picking punches when possible. Tyson fought a good round three and looked like he finally had something to offer. The general consensus is that Tyson, realising he was going to lose, bit Holyfields ear as a way out. However I don't think this is true, if Holyfield hadn't butted Tyson at the end of the second round (cutting Tyson's eye) then I don't think Tyson would have bitten him.
Holyfield looked physically unbelievable at this time, like an immovable object, I've never seen a set of traps look like that, but who knows what would have happened.
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
I've tried to look at that fight from many different angle and I still come out with the same verdict...HOLYFIELD..
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
Holy was coming in with his head and Tyson never knew how to deal with getting butted or hit with a good punch. He was very easily frusterated so i think Holyfield would have beaten him again reguardless. Some guys got into Tysons head just like he got into the heads of all the guys he KOd. ;)
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
I dont think anyone should complain about holyfields butting coz i just watched a special on tyson and in alot of fights when tyson got in close he would throw an elbow under the opponents chin. So what goes around comes around.
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
Can someone place a video of that fight?
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
ive not watched that fight in an awfully long time myself actually....from memory tyson did seem to come back very well in the 3rd. he was pumped and angry. whether he could have sustained that over 12 rounds is another matter though...
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
over the years tyson has been a dirty fighter, how mant times have we seen him follow through with the elbow of the hook and how many times did he go into a clinch head first i'll tell you, every fight that went past the second round
everyone hates being out played at there oen game which is why tyson was geting so worked up, evander was just to cunning for him and wasn't intimitated by iron mike
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
Holyfield was well onto his way to winning it and I think everyone could see that including Mike . Evander started faster in the rematch and had worked on leg strength so he was pushing Mike back from the get go . Tyson was immediately at a disadvantage mentally and physically .
At the end of the second round a discoraged Mike was cut , felt the ref was against him and was behind so to stop the rot he gave it his all in the 3rd . Holyfield absorbed the assult and kept coming so Mike was in trouble . I beleive at 1st that he bit out of anger but the 2nd and 3rd attempt at bites were clear signs that he wanted out . Had it gone on and he stuck to the rules , he wouldnt have made it past 8
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
no way. i got the fight on a dvd and have seen it shit loads of times. tyson came back at the end of the second and looked a lot like his old self in the third and had success. he was frustrated cos he was cut and his old tricks wer'nt working, and plus the real deal kept on swinging that big head all over the place. in the end i think the outcome of the fight would have been a UD to holyfield but it wouldnt have gone the same way as the first meeting where evander was the boss from the first bell. i just dont think tyson had the answers when his tactics wern't working.
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
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Originally Posted by jbirdy
no way. i got the fight on a dvd and have seen it S*** loads of times. tyson came back at the end of the second and looked a lot like his old self in the third and had success. he was frustrated cos he was cut and his old tricks wer'nt working, and plus the real deal kept on swinging that big head all over the place. in the end i think the outcome of the fight would have been a UD to holyfield but it wouldnt have gone the same way as the first meeting where evander was the boss from the first bell. i just dont think tyson had the answers when his tactics wern't working.
Ive seen it loads too and Yes Holyfield was using his head but he is less blatant than Tyson who was cheating infront of the ref . Evander did it on the blind side . Also when he rammed his forearm into Holyfields neck he didnt care about gettting caught . He also tried to break his arm but Holyfield fought him off and pushed him back . The bully was getting bullied
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
Holyfield would of still won
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
The main reasons Evander beat Tyson are as follows.
1. He was taller and had the better jab
2. Better defense
3. Worked harder on the inside
Tyson would have had a problem with him at any point of his career
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
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Originally Posted by Lyle
The main reasons Evander beat Tyson are as follows.
1. He was taller and had the better jab
2. Better defense
3. Worked harder on the inside
Tyson would have had a problem with him at any point of his career
I also thought mental strength played a huge part . Also tactical awareness . Ricthie Giachetti got it badly wrong for the rematch I believe and in the first fight Jay Bright had no tactics whatsoever . He just felt Tyson could walk through Evander .
Don Turners strategy was to place Evanders left foot in the middle of Tysons stance and push off from his back foot forcing Tyson back every second . Therefore his power would be ineffective and without that Tyson is lost .
I also reckon that the Tyson camp felt that superior fitness for the rematch would see him through . He came in lighter but was trying to box to a plan but IMO they got it badly wrong . He needed to get Holyfield out of his comfort zone and that wasnt the way to do it .
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
u guys are all nutz-----tyson was on his way to knocking holy TFO b4 he bit him.........at the end of the second round is when tyson just said "fuck it" and started to finally fight and he was getting thru and hurting holy....he just took his anger too far and bit him like a dumass...........make no mistake about it, had it not been for that momumental lapse in judegement--tyson would have kayoed him............
never mind the late eighties even early nineties--tyson would have destroyed him inside 5 rounds
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
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Originally Posted by LawHoops
u guys are all nutz-----tyson was on his way to knocking holy TFO b4 he bit him.........at the end of the second round is when tyson just said "fuck it" and started to finally fight and he was getting thru and hurting holy....he just took his anger too far and bit him like a dumass...........make no mistake about it, had it not been for that momumental lapse in judegement--tyson would have kayoed him............
never mind the late eighties even early nineties--tyson would have destroyed him inside 5 rounds
You cant be serious. Tyson wouldnt of stayed at that pace the whole fight, evander would of stopped him again. Bottom line is mike was a bully his whole career and he met a bigger bully in holyfield who showed tyson that he was incharge and he was not scared of tyson. Holyfield was too much of a warrior to lose to tyson, tyson would of been stopped in the later rounds.
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
Tyson hype was real, KO people as tall has holyfield with ease and he defense was superb for 'little fella' ;D .. only got watch the early clips O0... nobody brought more people to sport as much as him and Ali..
Holyfield had him in that fight, tyson skills were eroding.. mentally he was fucked.. and holyfield was on rise all the juice up ass gave him booster too!! 8)
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
holyfield would still win it.
but as for the headbutt, ITS NOT TYSON EXCUSE.. holyfield headbutt is for real in every match he played. watch how he open a cut on tyson's eyes in first match! He really HIT it with head! in the rematch... the same
another proof,
did you see how even lennox lewis lost his temper and finally push him to the rope?
did you see rachman head ???
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
Many will say prime for prime mike destroys evander or some willl say evander would beat a prime mike. I really dont know but i can tell you i would love for Mike to have beaten buster and then have fought holy prime for prime because I think it would have been interesting.
I cant see mike winning he came out like an animal attacked evander and evander pushed him off, he hi evander with a great combo but evander took it well, I said in the first fight that tyson might not stop holy because I did not think mike could take evander out with one shot, he needed serous combinations for holy, evander is just too strong physically and takes a good shot so one at a time aint gonna do it. The biggest mistaake mike made was not making evander work, evander had stamina problems at this juncture and mike seemed toally unaware and let holy set the pace for himself by holding. Mike should not of let evander breathe.
lennox lewis pushed evander on the ropes because he strted to get teed off on he was getting hit with combos and was stunned s bit thas why he pushed evander, but yeah evander uses heads and elbows jus tlike mike, just like hsgler, and I like that ;D
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
Lewis pushed Holyfield against the ropes cuz he was frustrated at getting head butted . He lost his composure a little but I suppose its better than biting a guys ear off
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
What will happen if they fight now? They are both past their primes by far, they both have not too much to lose, so, why not?
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
the real deal would have won once again
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
if they fight again they both will go down by themselves because lacking of breath & stamina
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
Tyson bit him because he was frusterated but I don't think that he was looking for a way out.
Tyson did look more conditioned in the second fight but Holyfield had a chin of granite.
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
Headbutts are more dangerous then elbows because of where they can hit you. And Evander would intentionally do that when you uppercutted him so it would land on your temple. Holyfield should have had many points deducted, and Tyson was starting to come on Holyfield would butt. And Mills lane wasn't doing squat. But Tyson did make Holyfield discover his 40 inch Vertical ;)
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Re: Mike Tyson vs Evander Holyfield II
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Originally Posted by nuclear bull
the real deal would have won once again
Agreed. Evander beats Tyson 10 out of 10 times.