Personally I had it a draw ,, lmao, the comentators kept favoring Rahim --they gave him rounds that he totally didnt deserve- amatuers, lol, WHat u guys think?>
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Personally I had it a draw ,, lmao, the comentators kept favoring Rahim --they gave him rounds that he totally didnt deserve- amatuers, lol, WHat u guys think?>
I had Frietas winning. My girlfriend and I were awestruck listening to Kellerman. ROFL.
HBO was in love with Zahir Ruiz, why I don't know
It was too close to call, neither guy deserved it
HBO is biased towards their fighters. I had it 115-113 for freitas, I had him winning like 4 of the 1st 5 roundsQuote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
For some reason I think Starr had it for Rahim. I think it was the tone of her postings after the fight that gives me the reason to believe she scored it that way.
I wasn't keeping score or anything, i would have to look at it again to come up with my score. the fight itself was very disappointing, i was expecting a good competitive fight, and before the fight i was favoring Raheem to win a close MD.
Freitas won clearly
I had Frietas winning by 3 rounds. Raheem was holding so much and so sloppy he gave away the first 5 rounds. Very poor performance by Raheem in my opinion. However he (Raheem) did show a good chin, and decent power.
Frietas corner sucks. They never told him to go to the body. He would have landed many more shots going to the body, Raheem was ducking so much he may have even scored a ko by Raheem ducking into a big shot.
Kellerman sounded REALLY biased. He made is sound like Raheem was dominating. Also he said twice that Raheem landed 4 or 5 shots in the 6th when Raheem shoved Popo down. The replays both times showed he only landed one good shot, and the others were dodged. Plus Lennox sucks as a broadcaster too.
I usually like Max but he was so biased for Raheem it was laughableQuote:
Originally Posted by luvfightgame
Bad start for the new BAD announcers
I AM TOTALLY GLAD YOU GUYS SAW THE RAHEEM BIAS TOO!!!! :coolclick: to Sanity!!! I'm not crazy afterall!
Still cc to all, but I'm kidding... I knew I wasn't crazy.
This is how it went...
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HBO Commentators :splurt: Raheem.
Oh and I like your nickname you made up OumaFan... "Zahir Ruiz!" :lolololol:
Well the fact that they had a 5 minute Oprah background story for Raheem was a tip-off.Quote:
Originally Posted by OumaFan
it was either show raheem and his daughter or explain how freitas is a puss ass quitter and kill some of the hype
raheem won that fight, 112-116... BULLSHIT
A Freitas fan?Quote:
Originally Posted by SalTheButcher
the man is a bum >:mad
Guess its what you look for in a fight. But Raheem beat Freitas. And he beat him clearly.
If shoulder charging your opponent into the ropes OR falling on your ass repeatedly constitutes winning... then yes, Rahim won.
I couldn't have said it better myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Entragian
If boxing was a decathlon, Then Raheem won. That guy ran from round one and was scared to get hit. I'm happy Frietas ended his John Ruiz impersonator reward.
Agreed. But like Ruiz, I don't think it's over.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDukeof74
With Maxie Kellerman comparing him to Winky Wright and saying he won with confidence, with HBO loving the word "Raheem," and HBO investing in that Oprah Background check... I think we'll see Raheem more than twice on HBO.
Hmmm.... maybe HBO is jealous of Showtime's dominance with Castillo Corrales controlling 135lbs. They wanted "A new hope," such as Raheem, that was contracted by them, so that they can have an UP on Showtimes' recent success at 135lbs. Not the first time HBO is jealous of Showtime's glamour divisions. And if anybody had a chance to beat Corrales or Castillo, it'd be a boxer like Raheem. Not Acelino, who failed against Corrales.
I figured it out! :detective:
Why HBO was in love with Raheem all night.
Freitas didn't win that fight. Neither fighter won that fight. I was more impressed that Raheem could take Freitas' shot and that Raheem actually outlanded Freitas that surprised me the most. Thought Raheem didn't look that bad, then again Freitas didn't look that good. If I picked a fighter to see again I'd pick Zman, because Frietas whines too damn much. Next thing you know he's going to complain to a ref because the other guy punched him.
Just like Tony fans love Margarito. I was more frustrated with Freitas' holding, since he initiated most of it by holding Zahirs head down to the point where Raheem threw Freitas down when he had Acelino hurt. I'd rather see Raheem then Freitas again tbh. I cba with Freitas atm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gyrokai
Yes I thought a draw was a proper result too. It was a terribly sloppy fight with a lot of holding and awkward incidents. Rahim did more holding than Freitas but not by much. Neither man really wanted to fight in close. I saw very few clean shots landed and in such cases it seems that neither man really did enough to win. Freitas kept going for the big right hand but he landed maybe 10 out of 100 or something ridiculous like that. Rahim didn't land much either. It was frustrating to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeboxing
Stop running Raheem.
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With u there.Quote:
Originally Posted by mokele
I thought it was going to be really nice to have a fight night without out Larry's and Lamprey's marketing schemes but it looks like little Max has a sold and seared concience as well. He just needs more training before he is as suttle as Jim.
Raheem was probably being built up for a big PPV with Castillo Whom is too much for him right now anyway. I like Raheem and enjoy watching him fight but Max and Compubox were definately rigged tonight--good thing the ref and judges weren't.
I had the fight a draw. I was disappointed in the awkwardness of the action in the ring, and felt that neither fighter showed enough dominance to get a victory.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDukeof74
Raheem is a much nicer guy than Ruiz. Also, Raheem's clinching against Freitas didn't seem to do him any good at all except make the fight ugly and boring. Ruiz's clinching is sort of a weird art form that frustrates a lot of his opponents and infuriates a lot of boxing fans such as myself, but is sort of effective. I don't see what good Raheem's clinching does for him. He's a good athlete, has decent speed and accuracy and counterpunching skills, so it would make more sense for him to fight a bit on the inside. Wilfred Benitez was a counterpuncher who was a genius on the inside, so it's quite possible to mix counterpunching and inside fighting. Floyd Mayweather Jr. is now an outstanding inside fighter but he wasn't always that way. He learned how to do it and has earned my respect.
In any case I wasn't impressed with Freitas either, who didn't land 1 combination the whole fight. He occasionally landed a right hand lunging in from the outside but none of them seemed to hurt Raheem and most of them missed the target. Even if Freitas landed a shot he often willingly went into a clinch. He held almost as much as Raheem did. Now it's clear to me that Freitas isn't really much of an inside fighter, and his destruction at the hands of Corrales was not a fluke, the result of Corrales finally catching Freitas and landing a killing combination on the inside.
I slightly prefer Freitas' style over that of Raheem but both men probably lost more boxing fans than they gained from the fight. Most boxing fans that I know would much rather see clean boxing than wrestling and clinching and I'm 1 of them.
My exact Words When Freitas Hit he said nothing but when Raheem hit he was yelling and I'm not a freitas fan or no more than Raheem, but please... Kellerman? take him out of HBO he sucks at everythingQuote:
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HBO was in love with Zahir Ruiz, why I don't know
Oh and Freitas for 1 round prety damn close fight if you say a Draw I accept it.
i thought Freitas won and clearly, Raheem did nothing more than run, grab, tackle, and stare, he "outlanded" Freitas mainly cause he was throwing pitter patter shots, Popo landed the harder more effective shots and managed to hurt Raheem a few times, hell on a few occasions Raheem was so desperate to hold that he would even pull Freitas' arm and pin it down lol, i mean i have nothing against clinching if it's done the way that W. Klitschko used it against Peter and Byrd, in an effective, strategic, quick way, not just holding to waste time so that you can try to steal the round with a extremely shitty flurry and then still not win the round anyway, simply put Freitas wins the WBO title 116-112 on my cardQuote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
good win by freitas for sure
I scored it 115 to 113 for Raheem
But
Some of those early rounds could have gone either way
and
Freitas was the agressor, which should count for something when it is a close fight.
Some how HBO was giving Raheem rounds early that Freitas won. The first round for instance they scored for Raheem. Neither guy was immpesive and Neither guy deserved to win. But Raheem got away with stuff that most guys would have had a point deducted. He was lucky that first "slip" was not ruled a knock down. And quite frankly his horrible balance issued did not look good to the judges. I had it a draw, but Frietas did more to win if anything.
I saw Raheem win the early rounds because Freitas would run into Raheem's jabs. Its difficult to see who won the rounds because it depends on what you look for. If you look for the aggresor then you will see Freitas winning the rounds, if you look for the boxer landing the cleaner shots you go Raheem. It's just one of those fights. Its more Freitas' fault then Raheems for that performance by both men imo. Freitas held Raheem more imo. Its just one of those either way fights.
I must have been watching something else than cause i saw Raheem lunge in very low and grab Freitas Waist smothering himself and looking sloppy a f@ck. Too bad Freitas didnt uppercut more when he lunged in to grab like that. Like I said they both got nothing to be happy with about that performanceQuote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
I saw Freitas holding Raheem's head down more when Raheem came in. Anf Freitas did that too and Raheem would step to the side to avoid it from happening, but Freitas just stayed in front and held Raheems head down when he did it. Thats why I blame Freitas more
Raheem was way too low. Ridiculously low and there was NO reason for it. He was smothering himself. He should have been jabbing from a distance and keeping Freitas on the end of his punches. He could have beat Freitas handly imo if he didnt fight so dumb. Boxers should NEVER try to brawl. It doesnt work
Pernell Whitaker did that a lot more then Raheem did and he's my favorite fighter so I can appreciate it more. And he didn't fight a dumb fight because I think he won it. And believe me I wanted Popo to blow him out. Like I said I expected more from Freitas and less from Raheem. So I'd like to follow where Raheem goes from here, because I'm not at all interested in seeing Freitas getting knocked out by Corrales again
Ill agree with that i definately have no interest in seeing freitas fight chico again. As far as raheem i just cant see him beating the elite fighters in the division and being a dominant force though a Corrales fight could be interesting. And for the record Raheem on his best day cant even touch Whitaker. When Pernell came in low he would get work done cause he would leave himself room.Quote:
Originally Posted by P.G.H Angel Eyes
Thats why I'm blaming Freitas, he would move in and grab or hold and then tell the ref it was Raheem's doing, its as much Freitas' fault. I'll have to see the fight again, but I am almost sure when Raheem tried to come in and give himself room that Freitas would hold his arm so Raheem would hit him with the free one and then the ref would call break and say not to punch and then Raheem would stop and Freitas would try to hit him. I think. I need to watch it again.
and from what I remember when Freitas didn't hold and Raheem had that space he would flurry and try to fight Freitas very hard often being off balance because Freitas would move out of the way.