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Topic title: Wht Nigel Benn would have kayoed Roy Jones jr


I Just Don't See Why So Many People Keep Claiming That Roy Jones Jr Would Have An Easy Time With Nigel Benn Had The Met Each Other At Super-middleweight.jones Was Very Speedy With Very Good Power But He Was A Cautious Boxer Who Would Like To Outbox Benn Rather Then Try To Stop Him.and Benn Loved To Take Risks, He Was An Amazing Hitter With Loads Of Heart.jones Was Never Known To Have A Great Chin.my Pick Is Benn By Late Stoppage Over Jones.what Do U Guys Think Of This Matchup?(and Remember That Benn Had Not Hit His Peak When Watson And Eubank Beat Him)

Benn Tko 9 Jones

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Jones would have spanked Nigel Benn if you're talking about a Roy Jones that is anything other than at his current level, easy unanimous decision. The dude is shot beyond belief right now and I wish he would retire, but no one could touch him before he dropped 25 pounds of muscle at age 35 to fight Tarver. Nigel Benn isn't the boxer that I'd say would test RJ in ways that he had never been tested. But I suppose that is just my opinion, and good job capitalizing every word dmt.

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I remember when benn had just fought McClellan he said jones would proberbly jab his head off, but jones said he was'nt ready for benn. I think jones would have been too quick and stopped benn maybe in 8, you yanks are just more rounded fighters than us brits as lacy will prove on saturday.

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do u really think Benn could win, also r u English.

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yes i really do think Benn would win and no i am not english

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I do believe Nigel Benn in his prime could ko Roy Jones.

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Benn has the power to rock anybody, Benn KO

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RJJ never fought anyone like Benn. Benn brought pressure, combination punching and power above any level RJJ ever went near. Alongside this Benns chin was solid - see McCellan fight - he just punched himself and got ko'd when tired in his losses. Theres a good reason he was called the middleweight Tyson.



Its a fight that could go either way. Benn could stop him early or RJJ could stop him late or win on points. But no way RJJ outboxes Benn for 12rounds. RJJ would have to take BEnns shots because the pressure would eventually get through. And RJJ would get his chin tested in this fight.



BTW Benn has allot better shot at RJJ than DM ever did!!!!!!!!!

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If Benn landed one of his big bombs on Jones chin can he floor him or knock him out the awnser is YES

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Benn rips RJJ apart, he was so fierce. When Benn went in low with those hooks it was awesome to watch, he delivered his weight into each punch of the fierce combo and RJJ has never had to deal with that shit before. Benn was too fierce for RJJ.

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Let me offer an unorthodox observation. After the McClellan tragedy, Jones was haunted by the fear of the same happening to him. He refused to visit Gerald, although sent money to help support him. It was the Dark Destroyer who almost killed McClellan.

Jones simply would not have fought Benn because Benn had become the ultimate "dangerous" fighter, and Jones was never enthusiastic about fighting dangerous fighters, particularly after Benn-McClellan.

If they did fight, Benn would have tested Jones's chin eventually. Benn was a terror and feared no one, although he may have been hurt by Jones and would have been dazzled by the speed and finesse of Jones. I see Benn connecting hard in no time on a retreating Jones. The fight would come down to a good chin and recuperative powers. Benn wins and not least of the reasons why is the Jones psychological factor.

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Roy Jones did not run. Eubank tried and failed. Watson gave a rock solid defence. Both were made to suffer before stopping Benn.

For six rounds Benn in his prime is just too much. Its too many rounds for Roy to escape.

I'm not a Roy fan but I'm always quick to give him props where due. He can beat everyone in history at 160 and 168 just not Benn and Hearns. I think they have his number.

Benn cuts off the ring, moves his head, every punch hurts. He is like the 90s Roldan but EVEN MORE.

Jones will nail Benn, he'll hurt him, he'll drop him, he'll make him look a fool but if you can't take the first six rounds of Benn your in trouble. I just don't think Roy can get ouf of the first six rounds.

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Jones would have probably beaten Benn after the G Man fight. Benn brought it back one last time that night.

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Benn threw too much and too hard to go without landing somthing big even on someone like jones. he'd hurt him and stop him.

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Why?

Chris Eubank was one of the few whose speed and skills and reflexes can be compared to that of Roy's, but to be honest, with none of these attributes at the same level.

Chris Eubank was also the only fighter who beat Benn in his prime.

Why should I think he would have a good chance to beat RJJ?

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BEcause Roys toughness isn't in the same stratosphere as Eubanks and that is a big reason why Eubank won the fight. It must also be mentioned he was behind on the cards.

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AND he took BOMBS that I don't envisage RJJ taking ... not in the slightest ... Eubank showed how tough he was in that first fight and he showed how tough he was against Carl Thompson, after moving up two whole divisions, at what? 31 years of age? ... as skilled as he was, RJJ is no Chris Eubank of chin and courage imho.

Topic title: Would Nigel Benn KO Roy Jones?


Yes.

After looking over Benn's amateur fights and early career again, it becomes apparent that he will catch you no matter how fast you are. And boy could he bang, jesus christ.

If you can't take Benn's punches your going to get knocked out, because he will hit you. He had good leverages, he had handspeed, he had accuracy, angles. He could punch in combination so well but could also find you with a big one, and he was vicious as shit. The guy had all the tools to take you out unless you had a chin of absolute granite (Eubank, McClellan) or, in Michael Watson's one-off case, a different defence than usual combined with Benn using the wrong tactics.

Watson did not use the usual defence that night of clenching fists in front, instead he opened his hands and cupped both sides of his forehead. It was more of a tactical thing, and technique thing. Watson had long forearms, and Benn was more wild than ever that night as he repeatedly struck Watson with full power on the arms, elbows and gloves. Watson barely dropped his guard all fight, until Benn basically burned himself out. Had Watson fought his usual style, or had he used a usual defence, he would of been knocked clean out. Had Benn switched the attack to the body, or stuck his jab between Watson's gloves to set up other punches, he would of ended up knocking him out no matter what. Had Eubank in 1990 and McClellan in 1995 not had chins made of fucking granite, they'd of been knocked out many times over.

After the Watson loss, Benn was taught by new trainer Vic Andreeti in Miami to pace himself, pick his shots more and not throw full power into his punches because he risked burning out. But he brought the beast back for Barkley and McClellan.

After the loss to Eubank, Benn was basically just even more cautious again, and his next trainers Graham Moughton and then Jimmy Tibbs worked on Benn drawing opponents leads and placing counters. He wasn't the beast. That Benn can't beat Jones.

The beast can beat Jones. When Benn hit you at full pelt, it sounded like a shotgun going off and down you went. Just watch his amateur fights and knockout run up to the Watson fight. Benn said in 95/96 that his only chance against Jones would be to just throw everything at him for three or four rounds and hope for the best. But Benn was never the same after the McClellan fight. Anyway, I don't think Jones could stay away from all of the beast's bombs for six rounds, and the beast was when Benn was on fire in his early career. As good as Roy Jones was he can't stay away from all of Benn's bombs for six rounds. Sorry but he just can't.

Or Benn could of gone to the ropes like he did against Reggie Miller, Logan and so many others, he could of lured Jones in and countered with speed and power. He was so dangerous fighting off the ropes. But no, Benn at his physical peak needs to throw everything at Roy Jones for six rounds and he then has the best chance of anybody to KO him. Something will land, and Jones would do well to move a muscle when on the deck from it.

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You overrate Benn's punching power - don't forget in nearly all his early fights he was up against bums....they used to label them 'mexican road sweepers' over in the UK. He did KO some top class fighters as he moved up to championship level but no way would he KO Roy Jones at middle or supermiddle, he'd be massively outpointed or more probably KOed himself

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Benn and McClellan are both very dangerous fights for Roy. But Benn doesn't have granite chin himself and Roy could catch him also. It will be KO but I slightly favour Roy.
But I would pick McClellan to KO RJJ.
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I think that Roy's people knew how dangerous Benn was and figured he was too much risk for the money. Not to say that Roy couldn't beat him but I definetly think that Benn had a realistic chance of pulling an upset.

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But you could tell by the velocity of the shots that Benn hit as hard or harder than any middleweight, and don't forget he knocked out every amateur he faced in West Germany and Northern Ireland who was in his own weight class. Benn won titles all the way up to heavyweight in the army, and on his amateur record it was only against guys in higher weight classes than him that he failed to knockout.

Let's look at the guys in the professional ranks he failed to knockout who I haven't mentioned already:

Jorge Amparo- had never been stopped in his career

Sanderline Williams- was never floored as an amateur or pro

Lenzie Morgan- natural light-heavyweight, robbed against former world champion Tiozzo in his previous fight

Sugarboy Malinga- Benn's worst performance

Mauro Galvano- Benn was hugged and held by Galvano in this fight more than I saw any boxer hug and hold another boxer in a world championship fight, or possibly any fight

Henry Wharton- was never stopped in his career

Juan Carlos Giminez- had never been stopped in his career

And bare in mind that Benn wasn't even trying to knockout those opponents, he always set out to win on points after the Watson loss apart from bringing back the beast for Barkley and McClellan. Watch the Dan Sherry fight for example, that knockout came out of nothing. He wasn't even trying to knock Sherry out. Same with Lescano, Benn started punching a little harder and all of a sudden Lescano was on queer street and down a few times with Benn hardly trying. And he punched Kid Milo out of the ring in the first 10 seconds without meaning to! Lou Gent had only ever been stopped on cuts by big cruiserweights or quit on one knee, Benn floored him with that left hook out of nothing. And I remember Gent was tipped by many insiders to beat Benn, having been robbed against WBC 168 #1 contender Henry Wharton and having quit cigarettes for the first time in training for Benn (and with Benn being more of a small middleweight than a full super-middle, while Gent had given Tyson's sparring partner Glenn McCrory a good fight).

Doug DeWitt and Robbie Sims had been sparring with Marvin Hagler since they were 16 years old and in thousands of rounds with the Marvelous One, neither of them were ever dropped once. DeWitt went the distance with Tommy Hearns and walked through Hearns' right hand whereas Benn smashed DeWitt down four times, and Benn was the only man to knockout Sims.

Hearns failed to stop Barkley, Benn did it.

Jackson failed to stop McClellan, Benn did it.

I'm not over-rating Benn's power, whatsoever.


(Oh and it was Nigel who called them "mexican roadsweepers" ;) )

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I think Benn would of stopped Giminez if it wasn't for the crowd trouble, from the 5th round onwards Benn could see thousands of fans fighting over his opponents shoulder FFS. It clearly took his concentration away, and made for a horrible fight for the rest of the fight with a strange atmosphere.

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Nigel Benn is the most ferocious fighter I've ever seen and had awesome punching ability, but he could be hurt himself. Jones is fast enough, elusive enough and powerful enough to beat Benn in three rounds without being hit by Benn's best shots. Benn was far too easily hurt unfortunately. But he definately has a shot at Jones.

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THERE WOULD BE NOWHERE 2 HIDE FOR RJJ, HE COULD RUN BUT HE CANT HIDE. BENN WOULD HIT HIM WITH SOMETHING AT SOME POINT AND IT WOULD BE GOOD NIGHT CHARLIE

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Roy spoke about a fight with Benn and said he would try to end it early. He basically realised that the longer the fight went on the longer Benn would have to find a knock out punch. He thought Benn was too dangerous to go too many rounds with, so he wanted to end the fight as early as possible. He would of been 'RJ' for the Benn fight, not RJJ. Strictly business, I see bombs flying about with it 70/30 in Roy's favor with the fight ended at the end of the 1st round

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Yes ithink Nigel could of ko'd Jones Jnr but not by steaming in from the start he would be embarassed and stopped in two rounds if he fought Jones Jnr steaming in like a crazed crackhead, Benn wouldneed to find Jones Jnrs dodgy jaw with a powerful counterpunch between four and eight rounds, imo.

Roy Jones Jr in his prime would have beaten Benn hands down. To be honest I think Roy Jones in his prime was unbeatable. He wasn't just unhumanly fast, he was a hard puncher as well. Nothing against Benn, RJJ was in a world by himself.

Benn had huge power for a middleweight but he was reckless.....he lost power when he moved up weight

Nigel Benn would have been tooled by a prime RJJ at super middle, add the fact that he was past his prime by the time they could have fought, and it wouldn't even have been close.

benns big power was at middleweight. at 160 it could have been interesting. jones was at his prime at 168, speed and power. if they fought at 168 i can see jones stopping benn late

WWatt; you have been busy on them 'other' forums! ;)

I think RJJ would of just been to cute and athletic for Benn... but then I bet on McClellan in one against Benn, so what do I know?

What people don't realize is that being wild against Roy Jones JR. is like being wild against Floyd Mayweather, Leonard, Ali, Pep, Sugar Ray Robinson... its like being wild against Tyson with Leonard skill, style and footspeed. Roy Jones had alot of power, and Benn's chin wasn't at the elite level. Jones hurt alot of guys who had never been hurt before, and he wasn't even planting his feet (Sosa, Castro even Toney he hurt with just arm punches). There is no question if Roy planted his feet he would be the hardest hitting middleweight/super middleweight ever, but even without planting his feet he was in the top 3-4 along with Jackson, McClellan, and Benn. That being said Roy doesn't have the same reflexes other fast guys had... In fact nobody has ever even come close to comparing with Roy in terms of reflexes. I say his first left hook hurts Benn, and he either plays with him for a few rounds with straight rights until he feels Benn is broken down enough to take out or he follows the hurt Benn into a corner and throws his huge combinations that would knock Benn out if he hit him solidly on the chin.

I think Nigel would have took his f*cking head off and put the fear of god in him...

Shame we never got to see it as Jones ducked him like he did with a few others.

Benn KO in 10

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Originally Posted by Smashup

I think Nigel would have took his f*cking head off and put the fear of god in him...

Shame we never got to see it as Jones ducked him like he did with a few others.

Benn KO in 10

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You do it takes two to make a fight...so maybe those "few" others were ducking Roy...like Darius did.....

And it's funny that all you that think benn would have won are doing it with hindsight of roy being knocked out...the MW SMW roy would have cripppled this guy before the McClellan fight...and if you think benn had a chance after he fought Gerald you're lying to yourself....

HAHAHAHAHA Wwatt you say your not DD.....but this was one of DDs favourite subjects, just change your name back to DD ;D

RJJ would have schooled Benn...Benn was nowhere near James Toney's league much less Roy's

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Originally Posted by Lyle

RJJ would have schooled Benn...Benn was nowhere near James Toney's league much less Roy's

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You've only ever seen one round of Benn, the 1st-round against Eubank in 1990 that I posted here ;) Lol.

Nigel Benn at his best was in a class of his own, and I would pick him to KO Roy Jones Jr. Definately.

What you fail to realise is that Roy Jones Jr fought and beat the very man that Nigel Benn ever ducked...James Toney. thank you and goodnight!

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BENN WASN'T TOO CONFIDENT ABOUT A FIGHT WITH RJ BECAUSE HE TURNED DOWN 50 MILLION DOLLARS TO PUT IT ON HOLD (AND LOST IN A SHOCK UPSET TO AN ANCIENT MALINGA). RJ SAID BENN/MCCLELLAN WAS THE "BEST FIGHT SINCE HAGLER/HEARNS" AND SAID BENN AND HIM WOULD BE THE "BIGGEST FIGHT SINCE HAGLER/LEONARD". THANKS TO NIGEL BENNS RELUCTANCE WE DID NOT GET TO SEE IT

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He Talked Talk But He Did Not Walk The Walk, He Ducked Rj. Benn Was Talking S***.

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benn? ofcourse .jones not unhittable and the dark destroyer was as dangerous a hitter as any

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Originally Posted by Lyle

RJJ would have schooled Benn...Benn was nowhere near James Toney's league much less Roy's

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You've only ever seen one round of Benn, the 1st-round against Eubank in 1990 that I posted here ;) Lol.

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No I've seen him vs Barkley, more of the Eubank fight, parts of the McClellan fight and I've seen basically enough to know he had trouble with speed, his chin wasn't unbreakable, and Roy would have the PERFECT style to beat him...Nigel's punches were wide and slow...powerful but too slow to catch Roy

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RJJ would have schooled Benn...Benn was nowhere near James Toney's league much less Roy's

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You've only ever seen one round of Benn, the 1st-round against Eubank in 1990 that I posted here ;) Lol.

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No I've seen him vs Barkley, more of the Eubank fight, parts of the McClellan fight and I've seen basically enough to know he had trouble with speed, his chin wasn't unbreakable, and Roy would have the PERFECT style to beat him...Nigel's punches were wide and slow...powerful but too slow to catch Roy

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In those particular clips, it may appear that way.

But at the start of his career, his speed of hand was absolutely sick! And at his best, under Tibbs, he was a very compact puncher always in perfect position with the bobbing and weaving.

yes under Tibbs, I always hear about it but never see any conclusive evidence that has me thinking "Well maybe you're right"

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Nigel Benn at his best was in a class of his own, and I would pick him to KO Roy Jones Jr. Definately.

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Gotta agree with DD
Benn would have absolutely BATTERED Jones silly...
No question in my mind whatsoever.
Some of these Yanks (not all) get right on my f*cking tits to be honest when it comes to UK fighters..
Hatton won't do this,Calzaghe won't beat this guy etc etc...
Total disregard for Benns ability and heart and i reckon A LOT of it is bitterness after putting that Prick Mcllelan in a wheelchair.
SMASHUP
The tide has turned whether you like it or not and the The UK and Euro fighters in general are starting to dominate the fight world.
This is fact and some (NOT ALL) of our US friends can't deal with it.
Nuff Said :britain:

I don't disregard Benn's ability but I don't think that he could beat Roy...I think compared with Roy at 168 he's out of his league!

I think the better test for RJ would have been Eubank.

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I don't disregard Benn's ability but I don't think that he could beat Roy...I think compared with Roy at 168 he's out of his league!

I think the better test for RJ would have been Eubank.

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But you've never watched a Benn fight ???

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Originally Posted by Lyle

I think the better test for RJ would have been Eubank.

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And yes, Jones said himself that Eubank was the one guy he feared.

I think Eubank would of given him fits! Eubank probably would of picked up the early rounds against Jones before Eubank's lack of stamina kicked in.

Prime RJJ beats anyone at SMW, period.

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Originally Posted by cockey cockney

Prime RJJ beats anyone at SMW, period.

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Not if Tommy got the right hand cranked up ;)

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BENN WASN'T TOO CONFIDENT ABOUT A FIGHT WITH RJ BECAUSE HE TURNED DOWN 50 MILLION DOLLARS TO PUT IT ON HOLD (AND LOST IN A SHOCK UPSET TO AN ANCIENT MALINGA). RJ SAID BENN/MCCLELLAN WAS THE "BEST FIGHT SINCE HAGLER/HEARNS" AND SAID BENN AND HIM WOULD BE THE "BIGGEST FIGHT SINCE HAGLER/LEONARD". THANKS TO NIGEL BENNS RELUCTANCE WE DID NOT GET TO SEE IT

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He Talked Talk But He Did Not Walk The Walk, He Ducked Rj. Benn Was Talking S***.

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hold on a minute mate, you are supposed to be biased and say Roy is a fraud, and he ducked everyone not the other way round....This is unlike you DD

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BENN WASN'T TOO CONFIDENT ABOUT A FIGHT WITH RJ BECAUSE HE TURNED DOWN 50 MILLION DOLLARS TO PUT IT ON HOLD (AND LOST IN A SHOCK UPSET TO AN ANCIENT MALINGA). RJ SAID BENN/MCCLELLAN WAS THE "BEST FIGHT SINCE HAGLER/HEARNS" AND SAID BENN AND HIM WOULD BE THE "BIGGEST FIGHT SINCE HAGLER/LEONARD". THANKS TO NIGEL BENNS RELUCTANCE WE DID NOT GET TO SEE IT

CHECK THIS: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec...fa88cc1fb?lnk=

AND THIS: http://groups.google.co.uk/group/rec...1966966?lnk=st

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He Talked Talk But He Did Not Walk The Walk, He Ducked Rj. Benn Was Talking S***.

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hold on a minute mate, you are supposed to be biased and say Roy is a fraud, and he ducked everyone not the other way round....This is unlike you DD

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I didn't write that, I just copied it and pasted it.

ahhhh....i c

I do hope that my above comments don't get taken out of context (i did state that SOME and NOT ALL our US friends should give the UK boys a little more respect)
No harm meant but the times are a changing and boxing worldwide is too and radically so imo.
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I do hope that my above comments don't get taken out of context (i did state that SOME and NOT ALL our US friends should give the UK boys a little more respect)
No harm meant but the times are a changing and boxing worldwide is too and radically so imo.
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LOL, mind you, you cannot blame them, when we showed them Joe Bugner, Richard Dunn, James L Gardner, Brian London, and an old Davey Boy Green.

With the exception of the odd heroic performance, we always choked against the yanks, until the Ragamuffin Man began turning the tide ;)

Doesn't change the fact Benn ducked James Toney. Wonder why? ;)

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Originally Posted by Starr

Doesn't change the fact Benn ducked James Toney. Wonder why? ;)

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wasnt aware he did?

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Doesn't change the fact Benn ducked James Toney. Wonder why? ;)

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Toney blew the RJJ fight, before Benn or Eubank could fight him ;)

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Prime RJJ beats anyone at SMW, period.

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Not if Tommy got the right hand cranked up ;)

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He would have knocked Tommy out cold.

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Doesn't change the fact Benn ducked James Toney. Wonder why? ;)

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Toney blew the RJJ fight, before Benn or Eubank could fight him ;)

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Toney had been calling Benn out even before he fought Nunn. Why didn't Benn fight him before Nunn or anything after Nunn? Because Toney was calling Nigel Benn out. And Benn ducked him...why? ;)

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Prime RJJ beats anyone at SMW, period.

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Not if Tommy got the right hand cranked up ;)

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He would have knocked Tommy out cold.

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RJJ has a big problem dealing with the straight right, Tommy had the finest straight right of any 168lber.... so ;)

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Toney had been calling Benn out even before he fought Nunn. Why didn't Benn fight him before Nunn or anything after Nunn? Because Toney was calling Nigel Benn out. And Benn ducked him...why? ;)

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LOL, no one had heard of Toney pre Nunn, and post Nunn, Benn was fighting at 168lbs, Toney at 160lbs. It was not until 93, that fight became realistically possible, and the build up to it began, then Toney met RJJ.... ;)

If you want to play doctor who, then we can do that. Just let me know when you're ready and I'll present my side ;)

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Prime RJJ beats anyone at SMW, period.

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Not if Tommy got the right hand cranked up ;)

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He would have knocked Tommy out cold.

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RJJ has a big problem dealing with the straight right, Tommy had the finest straight right of any 168lber.... so ;)

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Either than Glen Johnson give me one fighter that gave Roy Jones Jr. problems with the straight right hand... Also I would rather be hit by Hearns' right hand over Roy left hook any day of the week.